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1. 06:21 AM - Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri (John Bickham)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Kolb Web Site (Dennis Thate)
3. 12:03 PM - Re: Defective fuel pickup (Ron @ KFHU)
4. 03:44 PM - Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners (Frankd)
5. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners (Thom Riddle)
6. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners (Thom Riddle)
7. 06:25 PM - Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri (Ozarkflyer)
8. 09:01 PM - Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners (Frankd)
9. 11:03 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
10. 11:04 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri |
Seems like you got some leads a lot closer and this may be too far to drive and
not fit your timeline. There will be some Kolbs gathering at my place just
north of Baton Rouge the weekend of Nov 11.
Might be interesting for a C-172 driver to see what these planes can do with a
short field. I used to own a C-172 too.
There should be Kolbs from Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas. There should
also be a Highlander from TX and a Rans from NM.
More than welcome. Let me know if you need more details.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Web Site |
Now that is pretty cool.
http://www.kolbaircraft.com/
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Defective fuel pickup |
John
I think the old adage where " I rather be lucky than good" proves itself yet again.
I can tell you about my second flight in the terducktyle but then I may be
banned even riding my Harley, suffice it to say I came back from a flight with
only two nuts holding the c-430 motor mount and they were about 1/4 each threaded
out, no locking nuts no nothing was between them and the tubes. It was
the last time I ever let anyone work on that Ultralight, from then on it was only
I and the damn thing was locked in the hanger. Yes the motor was canted about
30 degrees on the two remaining attach points. Could not see a thing behind
but it did feel weird in the last 15 minutes of flight.
---- John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
============
Was surprised how small the mess was on the inlet screen. Very susceptible
to blockage.
I pull out of the bottom of my tank through a standard aviation mesh finger
strainer, then through the facet pump which is lower than the bottom of the
tank, and up through the fuel filter and into the engine driven pump on my
912. Have pumped around 15,500 gals through that system in the last 3,100+
hours without a problem. Can't remember when I did it, but I pulled the
finger strainer a thousand hours or so ago. Found some pretty interesting
stuff living on the strainer. Makes me wonder how I was able to get that
much trash through the fuel filler. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder
Jr
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup
I had the same problems in my first ultralight many years ago with only two
2.5 gallon tanks but it never left the neiborhood with so little gas onboard
I would never use any screen or check valve inside a fuel tank system in
anything that flys I like a gascolator much better
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Thu, Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Defective fuel pickup
This last week end we had a failure of the fuel pickup on one gas tank of
FSII
N582EF. After landing, one tank had approx 1.5 gallons left, the other tank
was
full. Disassembling the fuel lines, hoses and the pickup, it was discovered
that
the fuel pickup would not allow any gas to pass through it. This is the
in-tank
fuel filter that California Power Systems sells as part #7129, and Aircraft
Spruce sells as #05-01031.
Further investigation revealed that this is not simply a fuel pickup, it is
also
a ball-check valve, and the ball was stuck. Taking the valve to the work
bench
and smacking the ball with a drift & hammer got it freed up, however I will
be
replacing it with a simple finger strainer type pickup, and the identical
pickup
from the other tank will be discarded and replaced with a simple finger
strainer
type pickup.
In my opinion, this is a non-airworthy design. There is no reason to have a
ball
check valve as part of a fuel pickup. I realize that not having a ball check
valve in the system can allow the fuel to drain back downhill from the carbs
into the gas tank, but that is why they sell fuel pumps. Had the flight
lasted
30 minutes longer, the outcome probably would have been a media event.
The partially disassembled one is the one that stuck, I was trying to see if
the
ball check valve can be removed. Not readily. The other one is original.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners |
Hi guys,
Been reading the posts and working on my cooling at the same time.
Over the past few months I've been struggling to get my CHT's below 360Deg. and
EGT's below 1400.. Way too lean.
I saw the post about the static port for the tube into the carb and did that after
I spoke to Jim at Jabiru Pacific. when the tube was inserted into the air
filter it apparently caused a negative pressure drop that kept the mixture lean..
Ok, fixed that.
I've changed my main jet to 240 and needle jet to 2.85..
I put the baffle's on the front of the airscoops.
I use the EIS that has 4 CHT's and EGT's .
Today I flew and got 340deg in climb with 1350EGT's max.
In cruise the rear left cylinder was hottest at 335Deg and EGT's were just under
1300.
I'm getting there!
I've included pics of the static port to the carb and also my current wing and
tail angles .
Finally getting to just fly the plane and not mess with it.
If you guys have any other ideas, I'd love to know what works well.
Tom, you said you use 250 main and 2.90 jet? Maybe I can go somewhat richer.
Thanks
FrankD
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Subject: | Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners |
FrankD,
I know you said that Jabiru Pacific said to do the "static port" the way you
show in your photo but ALL the Jabiru's I've ever seen or heard about have
the float bowl vent (not static) connected to the inside of the air cleaner
by way of a the end of the conical air filter. In other words, the tube from
the float bowl vent goes into the end of the air cleaner so that the float
bowl has the same air pressure as the inlet side of the carb. Not sure why
Jabiru Pacific recommended you do it that way. I didn't hear anything about
doing it that way from Pete Krotje two weeks ago in his seminar. Maybe that
is an accepted alternate way of doing. Beats me.
When I replaced the Bing jet needle with the Jabiru jet needle I changed the
needle jet (cruise jet) to 280 and the main jet to the closest to
recommended(220 to 250) by Jabiru that I had on hand, #255. Configured like
this, at low altitude, my cruise EGT is right on the target 1325F. It gets
richer as I climb to higher altitudes. Only during my first flight after
this change did I still get a hotter than desired EGT during WOT climb at
Vy. On subsequent flights, inexplicably, the WOT at Vy EGT was colder than
target, so I might go to a bit lower number main jet, maybe.
Thom
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Frankd <FDucker@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Been reading the posts and working on my cooling at the same time.
>
> Over the past few months I've been struggling to get my CHT's below 360Deg.
> and EGT's below 1400.. Way too lean.
>
> I saw the post about the static port for the tube into the carb and did
> that after I spoke to Jim at Jabiru Pacific. when the tube was inserted
> into the air filter it apparently caused a negative pressure drop that kept
> the mixture lean.. Ok, fixed that.
>
> I've changed my main jet to 240 and needle jet to 2.85..
>
> I put the baffle's on the front of the airscoops.
>
> I use the EIS that has 4 CHT's and EGT's .
>
> Today I flew and got 340deg in climb with 1350EGT's max.
> In cruise the rear left cylinder was hottest at 335Deg and EGT's were just
> under 1300.
>
> I'm getting there!
> I've included pics of the static port to the carb and also my current wing
> and tail angles .
>
> Finally getting to just fly the plane and not mess with it.
>
> If you guys have any other ideas, I'd love to know what works well.
>
> Tom, you said you use 250 main and 2.90 jet? Maybe I can go somewhat
> richer.
>
> Thanks
> FrankD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353721#353721
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_lift_106.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_alignment_258.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/baffle_right_113.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/baffle_left_150.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/static_port_to_carb_991.jpg
>
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Subject: | Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners |
FrankD,
Forgot to mention in previous email. In these photos, it looks to me like
the deflectors at the top of the duct are vertical. This could be an optical
illusion since the photos is taken head on. In any case, they should be
angle back(at the bottom) roughly 45 degrees or so, not vertical and the one
over the front cylinder should be shorter than the one over the aft cylinder
to allow air flow to reach the aft cylinder deflector. These are just
general recommendations so if your CHTs are in line the way you have them,
then great! As I stated before, my CHTs typically run 270-290F in cruise.
You may or may not get them that low. As long as they stay in the green,
that is good.
Thom
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
> FrankD,
> I know you said that Jabiru Pacific said to do the "static port" the way
> you show in your photo but ALL the Jabiru's I've ever seen or heard about
> have the float bowl vent (not static) connected to the inside of the air
> cleaner by way of a the end of the conical air filter. In other words, the
> tube from the float bowl vent goes into the end of the air cleaner so that
> the float bowl has the same air pressure as the inlet side of the carb. Not
> sure why Jabiru Pacific recommended you do it that way. I didn't hear
> anything about doing it that way from Pete Krotje two weeks ago in his
> seminar. Maybe that is an accepted alternate way of doing. Beats me.
>
> When I replaced the Bing jet needle with the Jabiru jet needle I changed
> the needle jet (cruise jet) to 280 and the main jet to the closest to
> recommended(220 to 250) by Jabiru that I had on hand, #255. Configured like
> this, at low altitude, my cruise EGT is right on the target 1325F. It gets
> richer as I climb to higher altitudes. Only during my first flight after
> this change did I still get a hotter than desired EGT during WOT climb at
> Vy. On subsequent flights, inexplicably, the WOT at Vy EGT was colder than
> target, so I might go to a bit lower number main jet, maybe.
>
> Thom
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Frankd <FDucker@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Been reading the posts and working on my cooling at the same time.
>>
>> Over the past few months I've been struggling to get my CHT's below
>> 360Deg. and EGT's below 1400.. Way too lean.
>>
>> I saw the post about the static port for the tube into the carb and did
>> that after I spoke to Jim at Jabiru Pacific. when the tube was inserted
>> into the air filter it apparently caused a negative pressure drop that kept
>> the mixture lean.. Ok, fixed that.
>>
>> I've changed my main jet to 240 and needle jet to 2.85..
>>
>> I put the baffle's on the front of the airscoops.
>>
>> I use the EIS that has 4 CHT's and EGT's .
>>
>> Today I flew and got 340deg in climb with 1350EGT's max.
>> In cruise the rear left cylinder was hottest at 335Deg and EGT's were
>> just under 1300.
>>
>> I'm getting there!
>> I've included pics of the static port to the carb and also my current
>> wing and tail angles .
>>
>> Finally getting to just fly the plane and not mess with it.
>>
>> If you guys have any other ideas, I'd love to know what works well.
>>
>> Tom, you said you use 250 main and 2.90 jet? Maybe I can go somewhat
>> richer.
>>
>> Thanks
>> FrankD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353721#353721
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_lift_106.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_alignment_258.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/baffle_right_113.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/baffle_left_150.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/static_port_to_carb_991.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Any Kolbs in the Arkansas/ So. Missouri |
John
I've been keeping an eye on your planned event and if doable plan on trying to
make it down there. I was fortunate enough to run into Dennis Long and Larry
Duncan with their Mk III's today at a small fly-in less than thirty miles from
home. First Kolb's I've seen around here since John Hauck stopped for fuel on
one of his cross-country trips.
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Subject: | Re: Thom, Chris or Jabiru owners |
Hi Thom,
thanks for the feedback.
The top deflectors are about 60Deg angled back.. Since the back cylinder was
the hottest, i took the front deflector off today , to try to balance out the
temp difference.
I would love to be under 300 Deg CHT in cruise, thats my goal.
So I think I'm going to try slightly bigger jets and continue to work the baffles.
If I can get the radio noise down and a real Trim tab for the elevator, that would
be the best of all worlds.
Fun, Fun..
thanks for all feedback, if anyone else has the jabiru magic set-up, I'd love
to hear about it.
Rgds
Frankd
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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