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1. 02:24 AM - Re: Trailaplane (johngilpin)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Trailaplane (Dana Hague)
3. 04:09 AM - Re: Re: Trailaplane (Richard Girard)
4. 04:09 AM - Fw: fly in (Ted)
5. 04:39 AM - Re: Breeze up the boom tube (SS568)
6. 04:56 AM - Re: Breeze up the boom tube (Thom Riddle)
7. 05:55 AM - Possible MkIII accident in Missouri (Michael Welch)
8. 06:30 AM - Fall Flying Photos (Rick Neilsen)
9. 09:36 AM - Re: Strut Fairings (FIRESTARII)
10. 10:03 AM - Re: Breeze up the boom tube (Ozarkflyer)
11. 01:46 PM - Re: Strut Fairings (Dennis Thate)
12. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Trailaplane (John Hauck)
13. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Strut Fairings (HShack@aol.com)
14. 05:06 PM - Re: Breeze up the boom tube (Gary Aman)
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Gday again,
The response from this posting has been really good, with several excellent direct
emails and new friendships developed.
A couple of those easily convinced me that it would be preferable to run a 912
over the country that I wish to fly. So I went in that direction, and found where
I could get Sport Pilot training in my own aircraft at really reasonable
cost. But then today I thought I'd better check on aircraft registration, and
got a shock when it seems that only American citizens can register an aircraft
there!
http://www.faa-aircraft-certification.com/aircraft-registration.html
Do I have that correct, or am I missing something here??
I hope someone can tell me I've got that wrong........
Maybe I'll have to go under the radar in a 103 FireFly after all. Which actually
has an appeal of it's own - real freedom from bureaucrats. Some of that wild
country that I want to see would feel better with a 912, but then I did fly
1000hrs with a 447 that never let me down...
Tailwinds Always,
JG
[quote="johngilpin"]Gday All,
I went to Oshkosh this year, and the highlight for me was a neat FireFly in the
Red Barn area. I fell in love at first and second and further visits. Couldn't
ever connect with the owner...
To introduce myself, I live in Australia, and do a lot of x-country touring by
air, in a two-place Savannah with a 100hp 912S these days, but earlier in a single-seat
Spectrum Beaver with 447, 1000hrs in each of them. But I'm getting a
bit tired of living under the wing in a pup tent. That's all fine when I'm moving
every day and the weather is good, but hunkered down in a little tent for
several days when bad weather sets in gets trying. And the fact that airfields
are mostly a couple of miles or more from town, has me wishing for real wheels,
even tho I can now carry a bicycle in the Savannah. So the dream now is a
folding ultralight that I can tow behind an RV, and fly locally to see the sights
when the weather is right, and have wheels and a comfortable camp the rest
of the time. So of course the FireFly fits into this dream exactly! The dream
has now extended to touring the USA the same way - find a FireFly with trailer
and an RV, and go wherever..... I have friends in Texas, Mississippi, Minnesota,
Utah and Arizona, so could leave the rig between visits, and return whenever
the season and funds suit. It'll be a couple of years to be free of ties that
bind here, so not ready for Gene's aircraft yet, but some day would hope to
find another similar.....
My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't go to
a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I think it would
be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 category?? Do you
have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd be hunting out quiet, little-used
airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and all the 'attitude'.
I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the trailer.
Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the structural mounts,
or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you could leave the wings
on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could make a trailer that would
be very slim and compact and easy to tow.....
I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun 1990. But there
are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but that's about it. Our
local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow two seats and MTOW of 544kg
(1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar here. I understand that a few two-seat
tandem FireStars were built, but can't find out more about them - any links
or info appreciated. Was the cockpit extended a bit?? Looks like that would
be easy enough, and I have the engineering experience to do that and to correct
W&B. Don't need dual controls, just enough room to load a pax for short flights,
sort of like a pillion on a motorcycle, put the pax out of the way where
they belong..... Photography is important to me so I want excellent visibility
both sides.
Are there any snags that I haven't considered that anyone can see in this dream??
How come more aren't using these aircraft that way, or don't we hear about it??
Any comments most welcome.
To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos athttp://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 (http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12)
Cheers,
John Gilpin
> [b]
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At 05:21 AM 10/6/2011, johngilpin wrote:
> I thought I'd better check on aircraft registration, and got a shock
> when it seems that only American citizens can register an aircraft there!
>http://www.faa-aircraft-certification.com/aircraft-registration.html
>Do I have that correct, or am I missing something here??
>I hope someone can tell me I've got that wrong........
No, how did you conclude that? According to the FAA site you linked to, a
plane can be registered by a US citizen OR a resident alien OR a
corporation. So if you live in the US, you can register the plane here.
-Dana
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John, My friend Wayne is an Australian citizen who finished his LongEZ whil
e
he was at Boeing in Seattle as part of the Hawker engineering staff working
on a 737 derivative for the Australian military, i.e. he was a resident
alien with a green card (item 2 in the link you provided). He had no troubl
e
registering his aircraft so he could fly it while he was here, then he
deregistered it and took it home when his assignment at Boeing was finished
.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 AM, johngilpin <j.gilpin@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Gday again,
>
> The response from this posting has been really good, with several excelle
nt
> direct emails and new friendships developed.
>
> A couple of those easily convinced me that it would be preferable to run
a
> 912 over the country that I wish to fly. So I went in that direction, an
d
> found where I could get Sport Pilot training in my own aircraft at really
> reasonable cost. But then today I thought I'd better check on aircraft
> registration, and got a shock when it seems that only American citizens c
an
> register an aircraft there!
> http://www.faa-aircraft-certification.com/aircraft-registration.html
> Do I have that correct, or am I missing something here??
> I hope someone can tell me I've got that wrong........
>
> Maybe I'll have to go under the radar in a 103 FireFly after all. Which
> actually has an appeal of it's own - real freedom from bureaucrats. Some
of
> that wild country that I want to see would feel better with a 912, but th
en
> I did fly 1000hrs with a 447 that never let me down...
>
> Tailwinds Always,
> JG
>
> [quote="johngilpin"]Gday All,
>
> I went to Oshkosh this year, and the highlight for me was a neat FireFly
in
> the Red Barn area. =EF=BDI fell in love at first and second and furthe
r visits.
> =EF=BDCouldn't ever connect with the owner...=EF=BD
> =EF=BD
> To introduce myself, I live in Australia, and do a lot of x-country touri
ng
> by air, in a two-place Savannah with a 100hp 912S these days, but earlier
in
> a single-seat Spectrum Beaver with 447, 1000hrs in each of them. =EF
=BDBut I'm
> getting a bit tired of living under the wing in a pup tent. =EF=BDThat
's all fine
> when I'm moving every day and the weather is good, but hunkered down in a
> little tent for several days when bad weather sets in gets trying. =EF
=BDAnd the
> fact that airfields are mostly a couple of miles or more from town, has m
e
> wishing for real wheels, even tho I can now carry a bicycle in the Savann
ah.
> =EF=BDSo the dream now is a folding ultralight that I can tow behind a
n RV, and
> fly locally to see the sights when the weather is right, and have wheels
and
> a comfortable camp the rest of the time. =EF=BDSo of course the FireFl
y fits into
> this dream exactly! =EF=BDThe dream has now extended to touring the US
A the same
> way - find a FireFly with trailer and an RV, and go wherever..... !
> =EF=BDI have friends in Texas, Mississippi, Minnesota, Utah and Arizo
na, so
> could leave the rig between visits, and return whenever the season and fu
nds
> suit. =EF=BDIt'll be a couple of years to be free of ties that bind he
re, so not
> ready for Gene's aircraft yet, but some day would hope to find another
> similar..... =EF=BD
>
>
> My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't
go
> to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. =EF=BDEven t
hen, I
> think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103
> category?? =EF=BDDo you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103
?? =EF=BDI'd be
> hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and all
the
> 'attitude'. =EF=BD=EF=BD
>
>
> I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the
> trailer. =EF=BDIs this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing a
t the
> structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? =EF=BDSeems th
at if you
> could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could
> make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow.....
=EF=BD
>
>
> I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun 1990.
> =EF=BDBut there are very few Kolbs in Aus. =EF=BDA couple of Mark 3
's, but that's
> about it. =EF=BDOur local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow
two seats
> and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar here. I
> understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but can't fin
d
> out more about them - any links or info appreciated. =EF=BDWas the coc
kpit
> extended a bit?? =EF=BDLooks like that would be easy enough, and I hav
e the
> engineering experience to do that and to correct W&B. =EF=BDDon't need
dual
> controls, just enough room to load a pax for short flights, sort of like
a
> pillion on a motorcycle, put the pax out of the way where they belong....
.
> =EF=BDPhotography is important to me so I want excellent visibility bo
th sides.
>
>
> Are there any snags that I haven't considered that anyone can see in this
> dream??
> How come more aren't using these aircraft that way, or don't we hear abou
t
> it??
> Any comments most welcome.
>
>
> To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos a
t=EF=BD
> http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 (http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12)
>
>
> Cheers,
> John Gilpin
>
> > [b]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354169#354169
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
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Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
> Date: October 6, 2011 6:05:23 AM CDT
> To: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Fw: fly in
>
>
>
>> Want to announce the Flying C's Planetation is having a good ole ultralig
ht style get-to-gether on Nov 11, 2011. AL51. More info on airport, contac
t me at: 1-334-480-0822.
>> Fly em, trailer em, or just drive in. All are welcome. Powered chutes, u
ltralights, sport planes, experimentals, what have you. Our runway is rated
for 50 knots. approx. 2000' long, 60 wide. 1600' nice and smooth and flat
. If you are not well versed in short field landing, call me. Food and Gas a
vailable. Ample camping and some RV space with hook up. Some beds but you h
ad better reserve them. 20 miles west of Phenix City, Al, Columbus, Ga and 1
5 miles south of Auburn, Opelika, Al and the Auburn airport. Let me know if
you need something special. Come Friday and stay until Sunday. Hope to see
you there. A special RC helo demo. Ted and Beverly Cowan, Slingshot, 912U
L zoom zoom.
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| Subject: | Re: Breeze up the boom tube |
I found this site that has a simple way of testing the ASI.
http://www.n56ml.com/airspeed_calibration/
This is with plane in the hangar and the static air is very static. My instruments
have their static airs tied together and a plastic tube runs up to a disc
up near the pitot tube. What is the significance of this static air as opposed
to just using cabin air? Can that disc be defective or stopped up perhaps?
David d.
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| Subject: | Re: Breeze up the boom tube |
Thanks, Rick. Simple solution if you have a have a spare ASI.
Thom
do not archive
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a Winter ASI for which I made a pitot probe with about 3' of vinyl
> tube and 2' of aluminum tube. I took it out in my wife's car and stuck it
> out through the sunroof to calibrate it. Then I positioned it with the probe
> going back up the boom and went flying. I have lot's of cockpit vents in my
> Mk III, deliberate and not so and there's no seal at the top of the
> windscreen. The result is that there's a lot of airflow to create a negative
> pressure differential in the cabin to suck air in from the boom. That's my
> theory, anyway.
>
> Rick
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> That is an interesting observation. I have never noticed any reverse
>> airflow up my Slingshot's tail but that does not mean it isn't there. IF
>> that phenomenon is not characteristic of the SS but is for most Kolbs I
>> speculate that it might be caused, or at least influenced by the relative
>> positions of the horizontal stabilizer and boom tube. On most Kolbs the
>> leading edge of the HS is well above the centerline of the boom tube,
>> whereas on the SS it is even with (parallel) with the boom tube. There could
>> be other factors too. I am not even sure what would be an easy way to
>> detect/measure this reverse airflow up my SS tail. If it is dramatic as you
>> say on my SS, I would think it would be obvious to me, but it is not at all.
>> How did you determine the speed of roughly half of forward speed? Is it
>> something I could easily replicate on my SS?
>>
>> Thom
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some time back I did an experiment to find the answer to the question of
>> just how much air is flowing back up the boom tube of my Mk III. The post
>> that describes what I did is in the archives, but as a rule of thumb you can
>> figure that whatever your airspeed the air coming back up the boom tube is
>> half that. For example, at an indicated airspeed of 80 mph the draft coming
>> up the boom into the cockpit was 40 mph IAS.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
>> unhappy.
>> - Groucho Marx
>>
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| Subject: | Possible MkIII accident in Missouri |
Mornin' guys,
I just got a call from my wife on her way to work, where she said she just heard
on our local
radio station that a man crashed a Kolb MkIII near Versailles, MO, yesterday.
I did a quick search, and only found a brief confirmation of of the crash, in
an on-line write-up,
but not very detailed about why he crashed, or the extent of his injuries. It
appears as though he
WAS helicoptered to a local hospital.
The radio report mentioned he may have run out of gas (or at least the engine
died), and he made
an 'attempt' to make a quick 180, which didn't quite work out well, evidently.
Sad news, for sure, it looks like it may have been an incorrect decision to try
the 180 (Versailles
is mostly farm land). I'm sure more information will follow soon in an updated
news report.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Fall Flying Photos |
I took a friend flying Wednsday evening she took a lot of photos and posted
the following. They are over west central Michigan and over Lake Michigan.
The photos start near the Hart-Shelby Airport (C04) west over Crystal Lake
then Silver Lake, sand dunes, north along the Lake Michigan lake shore to
Pentwater then back to Silver lake and back to the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Strut Fairings |
:D The gear legs are my very next step! Looking forward to seeing what a difference
that makes.
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| Subject: | Re: Breeze up the boom tube |
"Breeze up the boom tube......sucking tail syndrome"? Sounds like a Monty Python
episode.
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| Subject: | Re: Strut Fairings |
Richard Pike wrote:
> Get yourself some of the plastic streamline fairing material that is intended
to fit over the lift struts and cut it to fit the landing ear legs. You will
be pleasantly surprised. It is worth the trouble.
Richard,
How about a close up photo of this stream lined landing gear idea, is it riveted
like the wing strut covers ?
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos
athttp://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 (http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12)
Cheers,
John Gilpin
John G/Gang:
Enjoyed a brief look at your web site. Will spend more time on it when I
get a chance.
A few of us on the Kolb List use our Kolbs for cross country flying and
camping. It has been a challenge to me to fly cross country since two weeks
after I got my Ultrastar flying in 1984. Been at it ever since with the
Firestar and now the MKIII.
When you get to the States, please give me a call and come by and visit.
The porch lights on and the doors unlocked.
John Hauck
255 Coosa Rd
Titus, Alabama 36080
334-567-6280/334-315-2621
Looking forward to meeting you.
john h
mkIII
7 miles south of Burns Junction, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Strut Fairings |
Where could a feller get about 4' of that? And how to attach it?
In a message dated 10/5/2011 11:06:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
richard@bcchapel.org writes:
Get yourself some of the plastic streamline fairing material that is
intended to fit over the lift struts and cut it to fit the landing ear legs. You
will be pleasantly surprised. It is worth the trouble.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Breeze up the boom tube |
I flew my Firestar fully enclosed in zero degree weather,taped every openin
g I could find closed,using construction paper and silver tape around the s
par carry thru and piped in heat via scat tube from the cooling shroud .The
n is when I first discovered the cold draft roaring up the boom tube.Pluggi
ng that really did more than the addition of heat from the engine.The prima
ry source of heat with my system was passive solar,and you could survive wi
th that.I started going south for the winter after that.
G.Aman MK3C Firestar 2
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From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 5, 2011 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Breeze up the boom tube
Boyd,
You are probably correct. Although I've flown a MkIII several times I've ne
ver owned one or flown one enough to get to the point that I notice that so
rt of thing. All my KOLB ownership experience is in Firestars and the Sling
shot, both narrow bodied which have not shown the sucking tail syndrome, at
least to a degree sufficient to get my attention.
Thom
On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:02 PM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
Rick,
That is an interesting observation. I have never noticed any reverse airflo
w up my Slingshot's tail but that does not mean it isn't there. IF that phe
nomenon is not characteristic of the SS but is for most Kolbs I speculate t
hat it might be caused, or at least influenced by the relative positions of
the horizontal stabilizer and boom tube. On most Kolbs the leading edge of
the HS is well above the centerline of the boom tube, whereas on the SS it
is even with (parallel) with the boom tube. There could be other factors t
oo. I am not even sure what would be an easy way to detect/measure this rev
erse airflow up my SS tail. If it is dramatic as you say on my SS, I would
think it would be obvious to me, but it is not at all. How did you determin
e the speed of roughly half of forward speed? Is it something I could easil
y replicate on my SS?
Thom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i think the direction of wind flow in the boom tube has more to do with the
configuration of the cabin area, and whether it has a high or low pressure
, this would be determined mostly by how the rear of the cabin is closed i
n. or lack their of. all things being equal. the air going past the back
of the boom tube should pull a negative pressure on the rear of the tube.
but if there is a larger negative pressure caused by the cabin enclosur
e, then the flow would be forward.
boyd young
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