---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/09/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re: Off field landings (Mystic) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: Possible MkIII accident in Missouri (Pat Ladd) 3. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: Possible MkIII accident in Missouri (Herb Gayheart) 4. 07:46 AM - Fw: funny (russ kinne) 5. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Possible MkIII accident in Missouri (John Hauck) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (mburdge39) 7. 11:37 AM - Re: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Fran Losey) 8. 11:43 AM - Re: Breeze up the boom tube (Thom Riddle) 9. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (Pat Ladd) 10. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (Gary Aman) 11. 03:59 PM - Kolbra video (tkben002) 12. 04:00 PM - Re: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Dana Hague) 13. 04:10 PM - Re: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Fran Losey) 14. 04:22 PM - Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (mburdge39) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Off field landings From: "Mystic" Thanks for sharing the video. Good entertainment. But, just wondering how cold the water is (if one was to have an engine out and have to put down in it)? Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Thanks Bill. Hartwell is a pretty shallow lake that is about 15ft below normal now, and it got baked into bath water over the summer. Believe it or not, it is still quite warm. These days we're enjoying some really nice weather that is keeping it hospitable for a while longer. But, yes, It will eventually get to the point where it is no longer the comfy safety blanket I now enjoy. When the weather (and water) become cold enough, I'll don my dry suit that I use when I go kayaking in the cold. The seat cushion I use now, which serves double duty as leaf blower blocker, and (in emergency) flotation device, will be stowed away. I did have an engine out once, over that lake. I was at about 600', and luckily spotted a small island. From the air I could see it had a long shallow shoal on each end. My plan was to land short in the shallow water and run in up on the dry. I overshot my landing, (misjudged wind) landed dry, and ran it into the water. When the mains hit that mud, It stood it on it's nose, was vertical for 3 seconds, and came down on on all 3. After that my luck changed. A boater saw the whole thing, dropped off tools to remove wings, returned with pontoon, wings across the rails, then returned to get me and plane, JUST fit aboard, took me to boat landing where brother was waiting with trailer. Kolb fixed me up with FS2 nose (which made for a much improved windscreen), diagnosed stoppage, added fuel pump filter, and I'm back. Looking back now, I can honestly say (foolishly or not) that I was never worried about me. I knew I could land wet and be safe. I just wanted to save the crate. And I'm glad I was lucky enough to be able. I know when I fly low over water I'm risking my Kolb, but not so much me. I feel safe low on the water. John Tempest Firestar 1 447 If the builder up in Eagle River sees this, I'm sorry. But she's fine, straight, and flying great. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354437#354437 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crash_site_07_911.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crash_site_02_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crash_site_01_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crash_site_04_867.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crash_site_03_196.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crash_site_05_127.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:05 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Possible MkIII accident in Missouri Loved the write up of the `Mark 3 Kitfox` crash. I didn`t know that in the US they employed 3 year olds who have not started language lessons yet to write accident reports. I have heard of `dumbing down but, good grief!. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:37 AM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Possible MkIII accident in Missouri Since the FAA does not get a picture...guess one could register any airplane as a Kolb? Just as long as the paperwork is up to snuff...Herb... At 07:55 AM 10/9/2011, you wrote: > >Loved the write up of the `Mark 3 Kitfox` crash. > >I didn`t know that in the US they employed 3 year olds who have not >started language lessons yet to write accident reports. > >I have heard of `dumbing down but, good grief!. > >Pat > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:58 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: funny Hopefully this is NOT Kolb-related > > A blonde is on board a small two-seater airplane, when suddenly the pilot dies. Not knowing how to fly a plane, she grabs the radio. > "Mayday !, Mayday !, Mayday !, Help !, My pilot just died!" > Ground control received her call for help, and answered back: > "Don't worry, madam=EF=BD. I'll talk you down, just do as I say. > First, I need you to give me your height, and position." > "I'm 5"2', blonde and sitting in the right front seat." > Ground control: "Repeat after me: Our Father... which art in Heaven > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/06/11 18:34:00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:41 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Possible MkIII accident in Missouri Since the FAA does not get a picture...guess one could register any airplane as a Kolb? Just as long as the paperwork is up to snuff...Herb... Herb/Gang; The N number was registered for a MKIII, but an Airworthiness Certificate was never issued for that airplane. It was built by another individual and sold to the gent involved in the crash. Maybe this gent used the MKIII N number on his Kit Fox, or whatever it was, that crashed. john h mkIII Burns Junction, OR ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA From: "mburdge39" My firefly survived the journey to it's new home. Still looking for someone in the PA/OH area that might be able to help me out with some Kolb training. Prefer not to train in a 172. Any ideas? Thanks! -------- Mike Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354447#354447 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/99217164_1thumb_550x410_856.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines From: Fran Losey Hi Matt, would you please remove me from the Kolb list? Thank you for the assistance. Fran Losey Sent from my iPad Loseyf@comcast.net On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01, Matt Dralle wrote: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Breeze up the boom tube From: "Thom Riddle" This summer weather in October was waaay too good not to fly, so I flew to Bob Bean's place and landed on his "mature grass" airstrip. No Brakes Required! Enroute, I stuck my hand back under the rear seat and felt a light breeze, nothing like I think the wide body Kolbs get. It was a little cool to have my forward vents open so this slight breeze was with a bit of negative cabin pressure (presumably) because the aft vents were open in exhaust mode. By the time I got close to BB's place it was warm enough to open the forward vents, which I did. With this bit of positive pressure, I stuck my hand back under the rear seat and the air felt completely static to me. My conclusion is that in MY slingshot, the breezy boom tube phenomenon is minimal and then only without forward vents open. Other Kolb types or even other slingshots may have a different experience. After landing at BB's he gave me the grand tour of his brand new pole barn, just finished yesterday except for the garage door. Then we cranked up both the Kolbs and flew about 10 miles NW of his place to have lunch at Abe's Log Cabin restaurant, a very short walk from a very nice two runway grass airstrip, called Ridge Road West. After lunch we departed on our separate ways. What a glorious October day for flying it was here in western New York. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354453#354453 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bbsbarn_scaled_112.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:37 PM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA Prefer not to train in a 172. Any ideas? Thanks!>> If you already know how to fly just practice with your machine until you are happy that you are in control when taxiing. Then pick a nice day, early morning, big field or long runway and open the throttle. SLIGHT forward stick to get the tail up and just sit there. She will climb away quite happily. Dont let the speed drop.If things get too fast ease the stick back.Level out , throttle back fly around at 1000 ft maybe try a GENTLE stall so that you know what speed to land at according to your ASI. Add 10 mph to stall speed and fly an approach. Cut the throttle over the hedge watching your nose to maintain speed. Flare JUST ABOVE the ground (if you are on grass it is when the blur changes to individual blades of grass.) and keep her flying as long as possible until the stick is back in your stomach and the wheels touch the ground. Do Not crowhop.Things happen too fast at low level. Get well clear of the ground and give yourself time to sort it out. Of course if you cannot fly already. Get some lessons. Good luck Pat ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA From: Gary Aman Have to agree with Pat The difference between solo and two up, even in the MK3, makes it like two different airplanes. G.Aman,FS2 builder, MK3C Jabiru 2200A now -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ladd Sent: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 4:26 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA Prefer not to train in a 172. Any ideas? Thanks!>> If you already know how to fly just practice with your machine until you ar e happy that you are in control when taxiing. Then pick a nice day, early morning, big field or long runway and open the throttle. SLIGHT forward stick to get the tail up and just sit there. She will climb away quite happily. Dont let the speed drop.If things get too fast ease the stick back.Level out , throttle back fly around at 1000 ft maybe try a GENTLE stall so that you know what speed to land at according to your ASI. Add 10 mph to stall speed and fly an approach. Cut the throttle over the hedge watching your nose to maintain speed. Flare JUST ABOVE the ground (if you are on grass it is when the blur changes to individual blades of grass.) an d keep her flying as long as possible until the stick is back in your stomach and the wheels touch the ground. Do Not crowhop.Things happen too fast at low level. Get well clear of the ground and give yourself time to sort it out. Of course if you cannot fly already. Get some lessons. Good luck Pat ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:17 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra video From: "tkben002" My wife brought my son out to the airport so I took him for his first ride. He was pretty excited. My wife filmed it so it is a little shaky. Travis Bennett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5WSIm4Uc-s Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354467#354467 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:52 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines Fran, you added yourself to this list, you have to remove yourself. Information is at the bottom of each post. -Dana At 02:35 PM 10/9/2011, Fran Losey wrote: > >Hi Matt, would you please remove me from the Kolb list? > >Thank you for the assistance. > >Fran Losey >Sent from my iPad >Loseyf@comcast.net > >On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01, Matt Dralle wrote: > > -- Smallpox has been largely destroyed - should the virus be given endanged species status? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines From: Fran Losey Thank you. Fran Losey Sent from my iPad Loseyf@comcast.net On Oct 9, 2011, at 18:47, Dana Hague wrote: > Fran, you added yourself to this list, you have to remove yourself. Infor mation is at the bottom of each post. > > -Dana > > At 02:35 PM 10/9/2011, Fran Losey wrote: >> >> Hi Matt, would you please remove me from the Kolb list? >> >> Thank you for the assistance. >> >> Fran Losey >> Sent from my iPad >> Loseyf@comcast.net >> >> On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:01, Matt Dralle wrote: >> >> >> Email Forum - >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matronics.com >> - List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> -- >> Smallpox has been largely destroyed - should the virus be given endanged s pecies status? >> >> ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA From: "mburdge39" Appreciate the tips guys. I am 43 and years ago had a 2 axis quick. Then did PPG. Most recently been flying trikes. Rudders are new to me! I just got in from taxi practice and my feet are not connected with my brain yet(opposite from the trike steering). I will keep practicing until the muscle memory is there and I can control it naturally without "thinking". My buddy has a Piper Cub and I can go up with him anytime I want, I just don't want it to be counter productive to flying my Kolb. Here are the 2 airstrips I will eventually be flying my Firefly out of! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwnx3mOh6xU Thanks again and look forward to being part of the Kolb family! -------- Mike Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354472#354472 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.