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1. 03:42 AM - Oil (API-TC) (SS568)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Oil (API-TC) (Dana Hague)
3. 04:41 AM - Foam struts (Ted)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Oil (API-TC) (SS568)
5. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Oil (API-TC) (b young)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Oil (API-TC) (Richard Girard)
7. 09:41 AM - WTT: Yamaha WR250R for Kolb (Luke)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (Luke)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Oil (API-TC) (Dana Hague)
10. 10:41 AM - Re: Oil (API-TC) (SS568)
11. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Oil (API-TC) (John Hauck)
12. 11:15 AM - Re: Oil (API-TC) (Eugene Zimmerman)
13. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Oil (API-TC) (Richard Girard)
14. 04:48 PM - Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (mburdge39)
15. 05:00 PM - quieting those control wires (Lanny Fetterman)
16. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: This may offend some (russ kinne)
17. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Oil (API-TC) (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
18. 07:03 PM - Re: quieting those control wires (FIRESTARII)
19. 07:14 PM - Re: WTT: Yamaha WR250R for Kolb (FIRESTARII)
20. 07:33 PM - Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA (FIRESTARII)
21. 10:29 PM - Flaps or falparon on the Firestar 11 (SAILNROCK)
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I have downloaded the ops manual for my Rotax 582. All it says about the oil to
use is to use API TC.
Now I certainly do not want to start a "brand to use" debate.
Just what does the TC encompass.
Such as blended or straight
Multi viscosity?
Can it be labeled for motorcycle with no mention of aircraft 2cy.
TIA
David d.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
At 06:37 AM 10/14/2011, SS568 wrote:
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>I have downloaded the ops manual for my Rotax 582. All it says about the
>oil to use is to use API TC.
>Now I certainly do not want to start a "brand to use" debate.
>Just what does the TC encompass.
>Such as blended or straight
>Multi viscosity?
>Can it be labeled for motorcycle with no mention of aircraft 2cy.
It's a industry specification for air cooled 2-stroke oil. Not multi
viscosity, that's a 4 stroke oil thing. Pennzoil aircooled oil is one
brand of API TC oil, whereas the Pennzoil marine is not (the marine oil is
TC-W3 which is for water cooled engines). Could be sold as a bike oil but
I believe most bike oils are synthetic now.
-Dana
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pollution. The women did all the work while the men hunted or fished all
day. Ever since then, a bunch of idiotic do-gooders have been trying to
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To cover the foam on the struts you can go to a model plane shop and get coverite
fabric. It has heat sensitive glue on it. It can be painted or comes in colors.
Has anyone been blocked by barracuda(?).
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
I went by Oriely parts store this morning. They have only one brand (not house
oil).
It said "exceeds the TC rating. It is a blended oil. Does it hurt to mix blended
or unblended as long as they are rated TC?
This brand or blended may not be available a few months down the road.
DD
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
I went by Oriely parts store this morning. They have only one brand (not
house oil).
It said "exceeds the TC rating. It is a blended oil. Does it hurt to mix
blended or unblended as long as they are rated TC?
This brand or blended may not be available a few months down the road.
DD
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Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
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some oils are not compatable with each other and will jell up in the oil
tank causing oil starvation,,, you should try and remove all the old oil
before adding the new.
boyd young
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
I sent this to the group in June;
Awhile back I posted a request for information about the compatibility of
Pennzoil Air Cooled two stroke oil and Pennzoil Marine two stroke oil. The
question came up again because a customer's airplane with a 582 has Air
Cooled in both the injection and rotary valve reservoirs and my stock of Air
Cooled is nearly gone.
This morning I called Shell's technical hot line (Shell Oil owns the
Pennzoil brand). The answer is, Air Cooled *CANNOT* be mixed with Marine or
any other oil that meets the TC-W3 specs. The additive packages are
incompatible and will cause coagulation. So, the systems have to be purged
of the Air Cooled oil when a change over is made (Air Cooled is no longer
available once stocks are gone, if they aren't already).
So, if you or your customers are using Pennzoil Air Cooled you might want to
start thinking about the necessary service to purge the system(s).
Rick Girard
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, b young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> I went by Oriely parts store this morning. They have only one brand (not
> house oil).
> It said "exceeds the TC rating. It is a blended oil. Does it hurt to mix
> blended or unblended as long as they are rated TC?
>
> This brand or blended may not be available a few months down the road.
>
> DD
>
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> Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
>
>
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> some oils are not compatable with each other and will jell up in the oil
> tank causing oil starvation,,, you should try and remove all the old oil
> before adding the new.
>
> boyd young
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
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| Subject: | WTT: Yamaha WR250R for Kolb |
This might be a long shot but thought I'd throw it out there anyway:
I have a 2008 Yamaha WR250R dual sport motorcycle w/ ~9000 miles. Bike is equipped
with heavy duty handguards, racks and saddle bags, skidplate, tank bag, and
small saddle bags. This is the ultimate minimalist touring bike and can go pretty
much anywhere. It will take you through pretty much anything you can throw
at it offroad, and still cruise comfortably at 70MPH on the highway. It's fuel
injected, and gets about 70mpg. Oil has been changed regularly and the valves
don't need to be checked until 26k miles. New chain and front sprocket. Bike
is located in Denver, CO but am willing to haul it for the right deal.
Would like to trade straight across for a Kolb Firefly/Firestar.
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| Subject: | Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA |
BTW: Love the olive drab paint job!
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
At 10:23 AM 10/14/2011, Richard Girard wrote:
>I sent this to the group in June;
>
>Awhile back I posted a request for information about the compatibility of
>Pennzoil Air Cooled two stroke oil and Pennzoil Marine two stroke oil. The
>question came up again because a customer's airplane with a 582 has Air
>Cooled in both the injection and rotary valve reservoirs and my stock of
>Air Cooled is nearly gone.
>This morning I called Shell's technical hot line (Shell Oil owns the
>Pennzoil brand). The answer is, Air Cooled CANNOT be mixed with Marine or
>any other oil that meets the TC-W3 specs. The additive packages are
>incompatible and will cause coagulation. So, the systems have to be purged
>of the Air Cooled oil when a change over is made (Air Cooled is no longer
>available once stocks are gone, if they aren't already).
>So, if you or your customers are using Pennzoil Air Cooled you might want
>to start thinking about the necessary service to purge the system(s).
Shell seems to have replaced the Air Cooled Outdoor oil with the new
"Aeroshell Sport 2" 2-stroke oil. Whether this is the same oil with a new
name, or something new, is unclear, as is whether they are compatible. I'm
trying to contact Shell to ask, but their website is messed up.
-Dana
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survive anywhere. But if you can survive anywhere, why live in New York?
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
Awhile back I posted a request for information about the compatibility of Pennzoil
Air Cooled two stroke oil and Pennzoil Marine two stroke oil. The question
came up again because a customer's airplane with a 582 has Air Cooled in both
the injection and rotary valve reservoirs and my stock of Air Cooled is nearly
gone. This morning I called Shell's technical hot line (Shell Oil owns the Pennzoil
brand). The answer is, Air CooledCANNOTbe mixed with Marine or any other
oil that meets the TC-W3 specs. The additive packages are incompatible and
will cause coagulation. So, the systems have to be purged of the Air Cooled oil
when a change over is made (Air Cooled is no longer available once stocks are
gone, if they aren't already).
So, if you or your customers are using Pennzoil Air Cooled you might want to start
thinking about the necessary service to purge the system(s).
Rick Girard
Rick, with all due respect the above is still confusing. Mixing tc-w with any
air cooled is a no no. Not only the mixing but using water cooled oil in an air
cool is the problem. Now I suppose mixing could cause coagulation, but it should
not ever be used any way.
Since I am not sure of what is in the reservoir now I will drain the old out.
Now the statement about air cooled (tc) is no longer available, so what is the
intended new oil?
By the way is mixing brands allowed as long as it is TC oil?
DD
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
Not only the mixing but using water cooled oil in an air cool is the
problem.
DD
Folks:
Not arguing any of the above reference brands, types, etc.
We used Walmart TCW-3 for well over 1,000 hours in our 582, 503, 447, and
all the other air and watercooled two strokes, from weed whackers to
kickers, with nary a problem. Some of that oil was 15 years old.
My question is: How does a two stroke know if the oil is air cooled or
water cooled?
john h
Window Rock, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
Ok guys,
here is a resource that you may find helpful regarding your 2-stroke oil questions.
http://www.7thgear.net/7thGear/Portals/0/2%20stroke%20oil%20specs.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
Same experience here, John. My only contact with Pennzoil Air Cooled in the
rotary valve reservoir of my 582 and in both reservoirs of a customers 582.
Whatever difference TC-W3 makes except the coagulation issue, I have no
idea.
Rick
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> Not only the mixing but using water cooled oil in an air cool is the
> problem.
>
> DD
>
>
> Folks:
>
> Not arguing any of the above reference brands, types, etc.
>
> We used Walmart TCW-3 for well over 1,000 hours in our 582, 503, 447, and
> all the other air and watercooled two strokes, from weed whackers to
> kickers, with nary a problem. Some of that oil was 15 years old.
>
> My question is: How does a two stroke know if the oil is air cooled or
> water cooled?
>
> john h
> Window Rock, Arizona
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA |
Thanks Luke! I took a liking to it as well.
When it is nice out I am getting taxi time in the Firefly, airtime in the Cub.
When it is raining outside I am reading Stick & Rudder by Wolfgang Langewiesche
& Powered Ultralight Flying by Dennis Pagen.
My feet are starting to link up with my brain!
The Kolb "clang" is a bit annoying, any quick, easy tips for quieting those control
wires?
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Mike
Firefly
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| Subject: | quieting those control wires |
>Mike, Once your airborne they don`t rattle anymore. ;-) Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: This may offend some |
A detail - but just to keep the List prim & proper -- perhaps say "because they
are urinated"?
On Oct 13, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Bob wrote:
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> Yup ....Inappropriate for the list and in general.......Pan Am world is long
gone .....I only care that my cabin crew is the best in the event of mishap and
that they don't pull the evacuation chute cause they are pissed...........
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> Bob
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> -----Original Message----- From: FIRESTARII
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:44 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: This may offend some
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> :D Guys I spent 7 years flying for a regional airline and the only "Hot Dishes"
I ever saw came out of the microwave!!!! It's not what it used to be :(
Picture a bus driver except with longer hours and WAY LESS PAY and your getting
the idea!
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| Subject: | Re: Oil (API-TC) |
Here is another good report on two stroke oil:
_www.sea-doo.net/techarticles/oil/oil.htm_
(http://www.sea-doo.net/techarticles/oil/oil.htm)
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
In a message dated 10/14/2011 2:15:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
etzimm@gmail.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzimm@gmail.com>
Ok guys,
here is a resource that you may find helpful regarding your 2-stroke oil
questions.
http://www.7thgear.net/7thGear/Portals/0/2%20stroke%20oil%20specs.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: quieting those control wires |
:D Your right about them being quiet once airborne but, Dang! They sure do drive
me nuts on landing and taxi in the grass! Doesn't do much to make pax new to
little airplanes very comfortable either, nor does it inspire alot of confidence.
I once had a well qualified commercial pilot/A&P/IA tell me "Real Airplanes"
don't rattle like that....I nearly knocked the man outta the "Arm Chair"
he flies all the time! I told him "Real Airplanes" actually fly, "Arm Chairs"
do not! [Laughing] He was my father by the way. Still love him to death though
[Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: WTT: Yamaha WR250R for Kolb |
:D I got a WR450 that I'd trade in a heart beat for any Kolb, flying or not!
Chances are I would live longer and have more fun doing so as Kolb's are way safer
than any motorcycle I have ever ridden. So far my FSII has not sent me to
the hospital once...motorcycle, well I am on a first name basis with the wonderful
EMS folks in my town! Fly safe everybody [Wink]
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Low and Slow FireStar II
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| Subject: | Re: New Firefly owner looking for Mark III training in PA |
:D High guys I am not tooting my Horne her please don't take it the wrong way.
I am a ME-CFII, ATP, and Advanced Ground Instructor and have very near nine
thousand hours in every thing you can dream up and some you've probably never
even heard of, I have been very fortunate. :D I only say this because I live
in Ohio just south of CLE near CAK. If you have access to an airplane regardless
of the type and it has dual controls I would be more than happy to donate
my time to help any Kolber transition. I will even take you up in my FSII, but
I'm not gonna let ya fly her! I love her way too much for that. I am also
open to helping out with BFR's, IPC's, transition training or any thing that
you may need. I would also be open to initial training but not for free as the
demands on my time are too significant for that. Mind you it's not for the
hours like a new CFI. I could care less about that it's simply about helping
the folks who feel they need it and to make the skies safer for all of us. Feel
free to contact me any time day or night if you need help or get stuck. I
have had a wonderful group of guys help me along the way and I simply want to
return the favor. Thanks to every body on this list and fly safe. Thanks, Seth
A. Miller
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| Subject: | Flaps or falparon on the Firestar 11 |
Hi All
Has any one made flaps or done flaperons
like on the firefly? On the Firestar 11
And if so how did it come out and with what benefits?
Thanks Bob
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