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1. 06:04 AM - Re: Bing Carb Failure (Richard Pike)
2. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (b young)
3. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (b young)
4. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (Renee)
5. 01:19 PM - Gone Flying (John Hauck)
6. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes (Gary Aman)
8. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Artical in the paper... (Gary Aman)
9. 02:57 PM - Re: Artical in the paper... (Dennis Thate)
10. 04:49 PM - Re: Gone Flying (Dennis Thate)
11. 05:28 PM - Re: Gone Flying (Richard Pike)
12. 05:42 PM - Re: Flaps on Ultrastar? (masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
13. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Gone Flying (John Hauck)
14. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (Richard Girard)
15. 06:28 PM - Re: Bing Carb Failure (Jason Omelchuck)
16. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (John Hauck)
17. 07:32 PM - Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes (David Kulp)
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Subject: | Re: Bing Carb Failure |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>
> Sorry, I misunderstood which pin you were talking about.
>
> I think you are talking about the float guide pin. That would ruin your day
> is if came loose.
>
> Wonder if the remaining float would work well enough to get back on the
> ground with a little power.
>
> Murphy never rests. First time I have heard of this particular problem.
>
> This gent's problem happened on the ground, I assume. Or maybe it happened
> in the air and he didn't realize it until he discovered the fuel needle was
> not sealing. ????
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
Picture 015 shows that it was one of the two pins that are seated into the bottom
of the float bowl and the floats slide up and down on them. Surprisingly it
looks from the picture that the end that goes into the float is slightly rounded
but that's all, not knurled or anything. Still unclear when it came out, he
had taken off from an airport about 15 miles away and flown home, landed and
taxied in. His strip is smoother than mine, but still somewhat bumpy. When he
pushed it into the hangar there was no gas smell or evidence of leakage. I know
this pilot well, he is mechanically very sharp. Very fortunate that he did
not turn the fuel valve off, or the failure would probably not have manifested
itself by all that fuel leaking out the hole in the bottom of the bowl. Don't
know if or how the engine would have run on the next startup, but if it didn't
run bad enough to attract notice, things could have gone very badly.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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Subject: | Re: Bing Carb Failure |
ok if the float guide pin, (mounted in the bottom of the float bowl, at 1
end only) came out, then the float needle would not get the proper
pressure to seal,,,,,, my next question is where did the pressure in the
fuel system come from to continue to flow gas up to the carb and on the
floor?
boyd
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Subject: | Re: the aft cg club... |
Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting into a
flat spin & not being able to recover.
Russ K
Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on
purpose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only
release the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin.
it came out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried.
boyd
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Subject: | Re: the aft cg club... |
I once saw someone try to do a weight and balance with the tail on the ground.
Talk about a rear cg with a pusher!
Renee
Bas spellong blaned on ophone :)
On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting into a
> flat spin & not being able to recover.
> Russ K
>
>
> Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>
> i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on purpose,,,,
i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only release the
back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin. it came out of
the spin almost instantly. i am not worried.
>
> boyd
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Gang:
My EAA Chap 822 had a little get together this morning at Wetumpka Airport.
Included was a cook out, bomb drop and spot landing contest.
Wind was howling this morning, 15 gusting to 25 mph. Haven't seen wind like
that since I was out West this Spring.
We used the north/south grass strip and the wind was coming right out of the
north. Prize for first place in the spot landing contest was 10 gals 100LL.
When it was all over I was handed $55.00 cash money. That will get me about
15 gals of 93 octane auto fuel for my flight to the Nauga Fly Around in a
couple weeks. Thought I was practicing for the wet run after lunch. Had no
idea it was the real thing. Easy to win that kind of stuff in a MKIII.
Could almost hover in that wind.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Bing Carb Failure |
Boyd
He said it was a Rans-S7. I think they have high wing tanks. Gravity let
fuel down to carb. He said owner did not turn off the gas valve.
Bill Varnes
In a message dated 10/29/2011 1:31:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
byoungplumbing@gmail.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
ok if the float guide pin, (mounted in the bottom of the float bowl, at
1
end only) came out, then the float needle would not get the proper
pressure to seal,,,,,, my next question is where did the pressure in the
fuel system come from to continue to flow gas up to the carb and on the
floor?
boyd
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Subject: | Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes |
On the matco's,just take the master cylinder off the stick and turn it so t
he bleeder is vertical.It's a very awkward system to work with.
-----Original Message-----
From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:54 am
Subject: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes
> MATCO brakes should be bled from the bleed screw back up through the
system
I have a built Suzuki Samurai. Some of my brake cylinders are mounted at an
angle such that they can retain a bubble of air if you get air in them.
Folks struggle with this- but not ME!! No Sirrreee
e Bob. Folks will tell you to do this and that major surgery to get the air
out. I find that when flushing and changing the brake fluid, and after
bleeding best I can, to get the last lil bubbles out of the tilted brake
cylinder I have my helper open the bleeder wide, I mash down HARD on the
pedal, and I get the air out. Folks don't mash down hard enough. If you do
it hard the resulting turbulence flushes the last air bubbles.
I have no idea if this idea can be of use with MATCO brakes.
GeoB
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Subject: | Re: Artical in the paper... |
All true Pat,but the positive press was was the issue.I guess we've lost si
ght of the objective, which was to drain the swamp,now that we find ourselv
es up to our bums in alligators. Good to keep separate from those animals!
Not much flying here,the field is just mush.Broke the record for rainfal
l and the year is not over yet.Freezing rain kept us grounded again this A.
M.Hope the weather over there is better.
Good flying!
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 6:52 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Artical in the paper...
picky,picky picky >>
Hi Gary
maybe, but language is what separates us from the animals.
What is considered `standard` language is of course fairly flexible and ch
anges often but the general ignorance of even the basic tenets restricts ou
r ability to communicate.
When a reporter, a professional wordsmith whose business is language write
s a report about flying, one of the most wonderful experiences possible, in
terms of `I bin flying. It were nice` what is going to be the standard of
the non professional.
To keep this musically oriented I would liken it to someone who has access
to music on a hi fi sound system but is content to listen to a tinny transi
stor set. A lot of noise but little content.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Artical in the paper... |
Thought for the day
Life is Good, and I'm told it gets better with age, Like a fine wine. But if we
get older without proper care, we go sour and lumpy.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
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Good for you John !
I tweaked my rough LZ this weekend.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
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John Hauck wrote:
> Hi Gang:
>
> My EAA Chap 822 had a little get together this morning at Wetumpka Airport.
> Included was a cook out, bomb drop and spot landing contest.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
Many years ago our EAA chapter used to do stuff like that. Lots of fun. Now all
they do is fly Young Eagles. That was OK for the first 10 years... sigh. Which
is why I'm no longer a member.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Re: Flaps on Ultrastar? |
I build a 'flaperon' lever onto my UltraStar. It lowers the entire length
of the ailerons while leaving aileron control intact. Very effective at sl
owing it down.
I've got the machine for sale, but the flaperon assembly is welded in pl
ace, and cannot be removed from the airframe.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 8:05 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Flaps on Ultrastar?
It occurred to me the other day, has anybody ever built or modified an
ltrastar with flaps? Doesn't seem like it'd be too tough, and I don't
hink the US needs full span ailerons. I've been flying mine for several
ears now, and my biggest complaint (other than the prop ground clearance)
s the limited glide angle control short of diving at the runway and hoping
he speed will bleed off soon enough... with no side area slips don't
eally do anything. Being pushed along by an old Cuyuna makes me want to
e able to precisely hit a spot on the ground in the event of engine
ailure, and flaps would sure help.
-Dana
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Many years ago our EAA chapter used to do stuff like that. Lots of fun. Now
all they do is fly Young Eagles. That was OK for the first 10 years... sigh.
Which is why I'm no longer a member.
--------
Richard Pike
RP/Gang:
Been a member of Chap 822 for 27 years.
Today was a red letter day. Of the nearly 100 folks at the feed, there were
4 airplanes flying. It was windy, 15 with gusts to 25 mph. But, had it
been a dead calm day, we may have had 8 airplanes out there flying and
having fun and friendly competition. The nature of the chapter. Most of
the members fly store bought GA type airplanes, pay hanger rent, annuals,
BFR's, and let their spam cans collect dust. I think they are more status
symbols than flying/fun machines.
I keep hanging in there. If I quit, there is no way I can help get the
chapter cranked up, even a little bit.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: the aft cg club... |
This is where this discussion really needs to distinguish between being
within the acceptable CG range, but being aft of the desired "perfect" 25%
MAC, and being outside the range, i.e. aft of the CG envelope.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Renee <ulflygirl@mysky.us> wrote:
>
> I once saw someone try to do a weight and balance with the tail on the
> ground. Talk about a rear cg with a pusher!
>
> Renee
>
> Bas spellong blaned on ophone :)
>
> On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting
> into a
> > flat spin & not being able to recover.
> > Russ K
> >
> >
> > Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin?
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Titus, Alabama
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
> >
> > i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on
> purpose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only
> release the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin.
> it came out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried.
> >
> > boyd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: Bing Carb Failure |
There are pictures attached to this report. Look at them if you get a chance.
From looking at the pictures the guide pins, are inserted into holes that are
drilled all the way through the float bowl. When the pin falls out, there is
just a hole in the bottom of the float bowl for the fuel to drip out.
byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c wrote:
> ok if the float guide pin, (mounted in the bottom of the float bowl, at 1
> end only) came out, then the float needle would not get the proper
> pressure to seal,,,,,, my next question is where did the pressure in the
> fuel system come from to continue to flow gas up to the carb and on the
> floor?
>
>
> boyd
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Subject: | Re: Bing Carb Failure |
There are pictures attached to this report. Look at them if you get a
chance. From looking at the pictures the guide pins, are inserted into
holes that are drilled all the way through the float bowl. When the pin
falls out, there is just a hole in the bottom of the float bowl for the fuel
to drip out.
*************************************
Do you have a url for the report?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes |
Thanks Gary and to Boyd and all who offered tips and advice on the GPS
mount and bleeding the brakes. I worked yesterday and wasn't monitoring
the list so I intended to acknowledge the posts today.
Then today, the weather has played havoc again. Last time the hurricane
sought to destroy my FireFly but I, with Boyd's help, won that contest.
Today, with all the leaves still on the trees we got about ten inches of
wet, heavy snow. I've worked to create my own little heaven on earth
for twelve years; planting, pruning, nurturing. In twelve hours I've
watched and listened to it being destroyed. A seventy foot sycamore is
now about forty feet high. A forty foot sugar maple I planted right
next to the patio behind my house that would have been screaming
orange/red about next week is largely broken branches. A weeping willow
I planted that draped gracefully over my pond in now laying down in the
pond and across the pond a red leaf redbud which is ablaze with lavender
flowers in spring is mostly broken branches laying on the ground. A
zelkova that my sister gave me that shot up to about thirty feet is
split into two right down the trunk to the ground with both halves down
on the ground. On and on... it's heartbreaking.
So I apologize for not responding to your kindness, but there was a
reason. Last time I got away with a tail wheel. This time was
different. The next suitable day I will climb into the FlagFly and
leave all this far, far below.
Dave Kulp
FireFly 11DMK
On 10/29/2011 5:00 PM, Gary Aman wrote:
> On the matco's,just take the master cylinder off the stick and turn it
> so the bleeder is vertical.It's a very awkward system to work with.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:54 am
> Subject: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brake
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bearden"<gab16@sbcglobal.net <mailto:gab16@sbcglobal.net>>
>
> > MATCO brakes should be bled from the bleed screw back up through the
> system
>
> I have a built Suzuki Samurai. Some of my brake cylinders are mounted at an
> angle such that they can retain a bubble of air if you get air in them.
> Folks struggle with this- but not ME!! No Sirrreee
> e Bob. Folks will tell you to do this and that major surgery to get the air
> out. I find that when flushing and changing the brake fluid, and after
> bleeding best I can, to get the last lil bubbles out of the tilted brake
> cylinder I have my helper open the bleeder wide, I mash down HARD on the
> pedal, and I get the air out. Folks don't mash down hard enough. If you do
> it hard the resulting turbulence flushes the last air bubbles.
>
> I have no idea if this idea can be of use with MATCO brakes.
>
> GeoB
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