---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/29/11: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:04 AM - Re: Bing Carb Failure (Richard Pike) 2. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (b young) 3. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (b young) 4. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (Renee) 5. 01:19 PM - Gone Flying (John Hauck) 6. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 7. 02:03 PM - Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes (Gary Aman) 8. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Artical in the paper... (Gary Aman) 9. 02:57 PM - Re: Artical in the paper... (Dennis Thate) 10. 04:49 PM - Re: Gone Flying (Dennis Thate) 11. 05:28 PM - Re: Gone Flying (Richard Pike) 12. 05:42 PM - Re: Flaps on Ultrastar? (masqqqqqqq@aol.com) 13. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Gone Flying (John Hauck) 14. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (Richard Girard) 15. 06:28 PM - Re: Bing Carb Failure (Jason Omelchuck) 16. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (John Hauck) 17. 07:32 PM - Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes (David Kulp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bing Carb Failure From: "Richard Pike" John Hauck wrote: > > > > Sorry, I misunderstood which pin you were talking about. > > I think you are talking about the float guide pin. That would ruin your day > is if came loose. > > Wonder if the remaining float would work well enough to get back on the > ground with a little power. > > Murphy never rests. First time I have heard of this particular problem. > > This gent's problem happened on the ground, I assume. Or maybe it happened > in the air and he didn't realize it until he discovered the fuel needle was > not sealing. ???? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama Picture 015 shows that it was one of the two pins that are seated into the bottom of the float bowl and the floats slide up and down on them. Surprisingly it looks from the picture that the end that goes into the float is slightly rounded but that's all, not knurled or anything. Still unclear when it came out, he had taken off from an airport about 15 miles away and flown home, landed and taxied in. His strip is smoother than mine, but still somewhat bumpy. When he pushed it into the hangar there was no gas smell or evidence of leakage. I know this pilot well, he is mechanically very sharp. Very fortunate that he did not turn the fuel valve off, or the failure would probably not have manifested itself by all that fuel leaking out the hole in the bottom of the bowl. Don't know if or how the engine would have run on the next startup, but if it didn't run bad enough to attract notice, things could have gone very badly. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356258#356258 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:34 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Bing Carb Failure ok if the float guide pin, (mounted in the bottom of the float bowl, at 1 end only) came out, then the float needle would not get the proper pressure to seal,,,,,, my next question is where did the pressure in the fuel system come from to continue to flow gas up to the carb and on the floor? boyd ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:34 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the aft cg club... Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting into a flat spin & not being able to recover. Russ K Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on purpose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only release the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin. it came out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried. boyd ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:06 AM PST US From: Renee Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the aft cg club... I once saw someone try to do a weight and balance with the tail on the ground. Talk about a rear cg with a pusher! Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "b young" wrote: > > > Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting into a > flat spin & not being able to recover. > Russ K > > > Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. > > i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on purpose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only release the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin. it came out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried. > > boyd > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:54 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Gone Flying Hi Gang: My EAA Chap 822 had a little get together this morning at Wetumpka Airport. Included was a cook out, bomb drop and spot landing contest. Wind was howling this morning, 15 gusting to 25 mph. Haven't seen wind like that since I was out West this Spring. We used the north/south grass strip and the wind was coming right out of the north. Prize for first place in the spot landing contest was 10 gals 100LL. When it was all over I was handed $55.00 cash money. That will get me about 15 gals of 93 octane auto fuel for my flight to the Nauga Fly Around in a couple weeks. Thought I was practicing for the wet run after lunch. Had no idea it was the real thing. Easy to win that kind of stuff in a MKIII. Could almost hover in that wind. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:10 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Bing Carb Failure Boyd He said it was a Rans-S7. I think they have high wing tanks. Gravity let fuel down to carb. He said owner did not turn off the gas valve. Bill Varnes In a message dated 10/29/2011 1:31:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, byoungplumbing@gmail.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young" ok if the float guide pin, (mounted in the bottom of the float bowl, at 1 end only) came out, then the float needle would not get the proper pressure to seal,,,,,, my next question is where did the pressure in the fuel system come from to continue to flow gas up to the carb and on the floor? boyd ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes From: Gary Aman On the matco's,just take the master cylinder off the stick and turn it so t he bleeder is vertical.It's a very awkward system to work with. -----Original Message----- From: George Bearden Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:54 am Subject: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes > MATCO brakes should be bled from the bleed screw back up through the system I have a built Suzuki Samurai. Some of my brake cylinders are mounted at an angle such that they can retain a bubble of air if you get air in them. Folks struggle with this- but not ME!! No Sirrreee e Bob. Folks will tell you to do this and that major surgery to get the air out. I find that when flushing and changing the brake fluid, and after bleeding best I can, to get the last lil bubbles out of the tilted brake cylinder I have my helper open the bleeder wide, I mash down HARD on the pedal, and I get the air out. Folks don't mash down hard enough. If you do it hard the resulting turbulence flushes the last air bubbles. I have no idea if this idea can be of use with MATCO brakes. GeoB ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Artical in the paper... From: Gary Aman All true Pat,but the positive press was was the issue.I guess we've lost si ght of the objective, which was to drain the swamp,now that we find ourselv es up to our bums in alligators. Good to keep separate from those animals! Not much flying here,the field is just mush.Broke the record for rainfal l and the year is not over yet.Freezing rain kept us grounded again this A. M.Hope the weather over there is better. Good flying! G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ladd Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 6:52 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Artical in the paper... picky,picky picky >> Hi Gary maybe, but language is what separates us from the animals. What is considered `standard` language is of course fairly flexible and ch anges often but the general ignorance of even the basic tenets restricts ou r ability to communicate. When a reporter, a professional wordsmith whose business is language write s a report about flying, one of the most wonderful experiences possible, in terms of `I bin flying. It were nice` what is going to be the standard of the non professional. To keep this musically oriented I would liken it to someone who has access to music on a hi fi sound system but is content to listen to a tinny transi stor set. A lot of noise but little content. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Artical in the paper... From: "Dennis Thate" Thought for the day Life is Good, and I'm told it gets better with age, Like a fine wine. But if we get older without proper care, we go sour and lumpy. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356284#356284 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gone Flying From: "Dennis Thate" Good for you John ! I tweaked my rough LZ this weekend. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356286#356286 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03269_148.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03267_190.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gone Flying From: "Richard Pike" John Hauck wrote: > Hi Gang: > > My EAA Chap 822 had a little get together this morning at Wetumpka Airport. > Included was a cook out, bomb drop and spot landing contest. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama Many years ago our EAA chapter used to do stuff like that. Lots of fun. Now all they do is fly Young Eagles. That was OK for the first 10 years... sigh. Which is why I'm no longer a member. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356291#356291 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flaps on Ultrastar? From: masqqqqqqq@aol.com I build a 'flaperon' lever onto my UltraStar. It lowers the entire length of the ailerons while leaving aileron control intact. Very effective at sl owing it down. I've got the machine for sale, but the flaperon assembly is welded in pl ace, and cannot be removed from the airframe. -----Original Message----- From: Dana Hague Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 8:05 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Flaps on Ultrastar? It occurred to me the other day, has anybody ever built or modified an ltrastar with flaps? Doesn't seem like it'd be too tough, and I don't hink the US needs full span ailerons. I've been flying mine for several ears now, and my biggest complaint (other than the prop ground clearance) s the limited glide angle control short of diving at the runway and hoping he speed will bleed off soon enough... with no side area slips don't eally do anything. Being pushed along by an old Cuyuna makes me want to e able to precisely hit a spot on the ground in the event of engine ailure, and flaps would sure help. -Dana - ress any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE! -======================== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:24 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Gone Flying Many years ago our EAA chapter used to do stuff like that. Lots of fun. Now all they do is fly Young Eagles. That was OK for the first 10 years... sigh. Which is why I'm no longer a member. -------- Richard Pike RP/Gang: Been a member of Chap 822 for 27 years. Today was a red letter day. Of the nearly 100 folks at the feed, there were 4 airplanes flying. It was windy, 15 with gusts to 25 mph. But, had it been a dead calm day, we may have had 8 airplanes out there flying and having fun and friendly competition. The nature of the chapter. Most of the members fly store bought GA type airplanes, pay hanger rent, annuals, BFR's, and let their spam cans collect dust. I think they are more status symbols than flying/fun machines. I keep hanging in there. If I quit, there is no way I can help get the chapter cranked up, even a little bit. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the aft cg club... From: Richard Girard This is where this discussion really needs to distinguish between being within the acceptable CG range, but being aft of the desired "perfect" 25% MAC, and being outside the range, i.e. aft of the CG envelope. Rick Girard On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Renee wrote: > > I once saw someone try to do a weight and balance with the tail on the > ground. Talk about a rear cg with a pusher! > > Renee > > Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) > > On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "b young" wrote: > > > > > > > Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting > into a > > flat spin & not being able to recover. > > Russ K > > > > > > Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin? > > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. > > > > i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on > purpose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only > release the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin. > it came out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried. > > > > boyd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bing Carb Failure From: "Jason Omelchuck" There are pictures attached to this report. Look at them if you get a chance. From looking at the pictures the guide pins, are inserted into holes that are drilled all the way through the float bowl. When the pin falls out, there is just a hole in the bottom of the float bowl for the fuel to drip out. byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c wrote: > ok if the float guide pin, (mounted in the bottom of the float bowl, at 1 > end only) came out, then the float needle would not get the proper > pressure to seal,,,,,, my next question is where did the pressure in the > fuel system come from to continue to flow gas up to the carb and on the > floor? > > > boyd Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356296#356296 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Bing Carb Failure There are pictures attached to this report. Look at them if you get a chance. From looking at the pictures the guide pins, are inserted into holes that are drilled all the way through the float bowl. When the pin falls out, there is just a hole in the bottom of the float bowl for the fuel to drip out. ************************************* Do you have a url for the report? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:40 PM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes Thanks Gary and to Boyd and all who offered tips and advice on the GPS mount and bleeding the brakes. I worked yesterday and wasn't monitoring the list so I intended to acknowledge the posts today. Then today, the weather has played havoc again. Last time the hurricane sought to destroy my FireFly but I, with Boyd's help, won that contest. Today, with all the leaves still on the trees we got about ten inches of wet, heavy snow. I've worked to create my own little heaven on earth for twelve years; planting, pruning, nurturing. In twelve hours I've watched and listened to it being destroyed. A seventy foot sycamore is now about forty feet high. A forty foot sugar maple I planted right next to the patio behind my house that would have been screaming orange/red about next week is largely broken branches. A weeping willow I planted that draped gracefully over my pond in now laying down in the pond and across the pond a red leaf redbud which is ablaze with lavender flowers in spring is mostly broken branches laying on the ground. A zelkova that my sister gave me that shot up to about thirty feet is split into two right down the trunk to the ground with both halves down on the ground. On and on... it's heartbreaking. So I apologize for not responding to your kindness, but there was a reason. Last time I got away with a tail wheel. This time was different. The next suitable day I will climb into the FlagFly and leave all this far, far below. Dave Kulp FireFly 11DMK On 10/29/2011 5:00 PM, Gary Aman wrote: > On the matco's,just take the master cylinder off the stick and turn it > so the bleeder is vertical.It's a very awkward system to work with. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Bearden > To: kolb-list > Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:54 am > Subject: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brake > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bearden"> > > > MATCO brakes should be bled from the bleed screw back up through the > system > > I have a built Suzuki Samurai. Some of my brake cylinders are mounted at an > angle such that they can retain a bubble of air if you get air in them. > Folks struggle with this- but not ME!! No Sirrreee > e Bob. Folks will tell you to do this and that major surgery to get the air > out. I find that when flushing and changing the brake fluid, and after > bleeding best I can, to get the last lil bubbles out of the tilted brake > cylinder I have my helper open the bleeder wide, I mash down HARD on the > pedal, and I get the air out. Folks don't mash down hard enough. If you do > it hard the resulting turbulence flushes the last air bubbles. > > I have no idea if this idea can be of use with MATCO brakes. > > GeoB > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.