Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sun 10/30/11


Total Messages Posted: 27



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:14 AM - Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes (Pat Ladd)
     2. 04:11 AM - wetumpka flying (Ted Cowan)
     3. 04:13 AM - 582 (Ted Cowan)
     4. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Artical in the paper... (Pat Ladd)
     5. 05:27 AM - Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes (Thom Riddle)
     6. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (Gary Aman)
     7. 08:29 AM - Re: Bing Carb Failure (Jason Omelchuck)
     8. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (John Hauck)
     9. 09:09 AM - Fuel Tender Ideas please (Dennis Thate)
    10. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: the aft cg club... (Rick Neilsen)
    11. 09:43 AM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Richard Girard)
    12. 09:58 AM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Larry Cottrell)
    13. 10:01 AM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Thom Riddle)
    14. 10:24 AM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Dennis Thate)
    15. 10:33 AM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Charlie England)
    16. 10:59 AM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Larry Cottrell)
    17. 11:13 AM - Re: Original Firestar II for sale.........thumbs (thumbs)
    18. 12:59 PM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Dana Hague)
    19. 03:13 PM - Re: Bing Carb Failure (Richard Pike)
    20. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Bing Carb Failure (Thom Riddle)
    21. 03:27 PM - Re: Kolb MKIII video (Richard Pike)
    22. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MKIII video (robert bean)
    23. 05:02 PM - Re: Kolb MKIII video (Richard Pike)
    24. 05:10 PM - Re: Kolb MKIII video (George Alexander)
    25. 05:40 PM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Gary Aman)
    26. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Artical in the paper... (Gary Aman)
    27. 06:55 PM - Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please (Dennis Thate)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:14:41 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes
    Hard luck David, after all that planning and work.` Man proposes and God disposes` if you believe in that kind of thing.. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 04:11:20 AM PST US
    From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: wetumpka flying
    My wife and I were out at the wetumpka airport saturday to witness the aerobats of these brave men. I want to state that there were some brave guys out there. They performed well. The Hauck put up a good show demonstrating again and again the "Kolb Climb" is real. Was glad to see him get the prize. He deserved it. Great Food. Really nice people. Going to join the chapter right away. It is very active and that is what I like. I have known a few of them for many years. Most of them already know my little Slingshot. Told me I dont get in it, I wear it. Love it. Take care everyone and dont let a little wind stop you. Ted Cowan, Slingshot, 912UL zoom zoom.


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    Time: 04:13:28 AM PST US
    From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: 582
    Forgot to mention. Have a friend with a Titan Tornado with a broken Hirth (surprise, surprise) Has a cash flow problem at this point and is very sad. Does anyone have a good used 582 complete out there they can help him with? Light rebuilding okay but not crank time. Really a nice guy with a lot of bad luck, most if it the engine. junk. Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912UL zoom zoom


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    Time: 04:47:15 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Artical in the paper...
    Hope the weather over there is better.>> Not really Gary, One half of the country is being rained on heavily and flooded. The other half, all of 300 miles away, is a dustbowl with fields which should be greening up for the winter showing nothing but bare earth. We have had several windless autumn (fall) days recently with lovely winter sunshine although the trees have not changed colour and still have their leaves. Flew yesterday. For various reasons about 4 hours too late. The calm as I left home had changed when I reached my field and the clear blue sky was beginning to show some lines of cumulus and the windsock was beginning to flick out straight. The wind was more or less down the strip so decided to do a quick sortie anyway. The plane was beginning to need some close attention as I taxied out through the gusting crosswind to the strip. The take off run was pretty short and the climb out a bit bumpy but OK. Throttled back to cruise at around 1000ft agl and had a look round. Definite lines of Cu across part of the sky and the vario was flicking sharply up and down. Not comfortable so decided to limit the flight to around 30 minutes and just enjoy. Noticed that the smoke from one or two bonfires was being whipped away horizontally. There was continual thermic activity, very broken because of the wind, and I was trying to keep well away from the forming clouds. The bottom fell out and left me hanging in the straps as I barged into a thermal. Luckily I had pulled the straps tight when I realised that it was a bit lumpier than I expected or I would have cracked my head on the canopy. The vario went from 4 up to 4 down in a split second. Decided that discretion was the better part of valour, (I do this for FUN) chickened out and whipped very quickly back towards the strip, sliding sideways across wind and banging up and down like a roller coaster. A lot of throttle needed to fight my way down finals. The windsock was standing out horizontally. Occasionally changing direction by 15 degrees. The landing strip has a high, thick hedge on either side which usually causes a large pool of quiet air to form close to the ground. I usually close the throttle over the hedge and float in. Not this time. The wind whistling slightly across the strip made a wind tunnel where the wind went faster , enlivened by the odd lump of curl over from the side. I don`t think I have ever had a rougher approach. The ground was going past quite slowly but it kept getting close and then receding again as I nearly touched down and then ballooned up again. It seemed to go on for ages although it could only have been a few seconds. Eventually the wheels settled on the grass surprisingly gently. My wild over reactions must have just cancelled out at the right time.. I pulled off the strip and taxied very gently to my hangar. Stick hard into wind and juggling the brakes to try and stay on the track. Got her tucked away and was just driving away when the owner of the field appeared. "I am surprised to see you flying in this " he said "No one else is up" I must sharpen up my weather forecasting skills, particularly paying attention to what is going to happen in the next hour. Pouring with rain today, sky is grey and overcast, wind is supposed to freshen. No decision to be made today. I am definitely NOT going flying. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 05:27:48 AM PST US
    From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brakes
    Dave, I empathize with you. On Columbus day of 2006, we got an October Surprise here in Buffalo. Leaves still full on the trees, branches broke and took out power for most of the city and suburbs. Our power was out for 9 days and the trees are still not right but improving slowly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Storm_%22Aphid%22 Thom in Buffalo On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:29 PM, David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> wrote: > Thanks Gary and to Boyd and all who offered tips and advice on the GPS > mount and bleeding the brakes. I worked yesterday and wasn't monitoring > the list so I intended to acknowledge the posts today. > > Then today, the weather has played havoc again. Last time the hurricane > sought to destroy my FireFly but I, with Boyd's help, won that contest. > Today, with all the leaves still on the trees we got about ten inches of > wet, heavy snow. I've worked to create my own little heaven on earth for > twelve years; planting, pruning, nurturing. In twelve hours I've watched > and listened to it being destroyed. A seventy foot sycamore is now about > forty feet high. A forty foot sugar maple I planted right next to the > patio behind my house that would have been screaming orange/red about next > week is largely broken branches. A weeping willow I planted that draped > gracefully over my pond in now laying down in the pond and across the pond > a red leaf redbud which is ablaze with lavender flowers in spring is mostly > broken branches laying on the ground. A zelkova that my sister gave me > that shot up to about thirty feet is split into two right down the trunk to > the ground with both halves down on the ground. On and on... it's > heartbreaking. > > So I apologize for not responding to your kindness, but there was a > reason. Last time I got away with a tail wheel. This time was different. > The next suitable day I will climb into the FlagFly and leave all this > far, far below. > > Dave Kulp > FireFly 11DMK > > > On 10/29/2011 5:00 PM, Gary Aman wrote: > > On the matco's,just take the master cylinder off the stick and turn it so > the bleeder is vertical.It's a very awkward system to work with. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net> <gab16@sbcglobal.net> > To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com> <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 4:54 am > Subject: Kolb-List: GPS in FireFly --> MATCO brake > > > > MATCO brakes should be bled from the bleed screw back up through the > system > > I have a built Suzuki Samurai. Some of my brake cylinders are mounted at an > angle such that they can retain a bubble of air if you get air in them. > Folks struggle with this- but not ME!! No Sirrreee > e Bob. Folks will tell you to do this and that major surgery to get the air > out. I find that when flushing and changing the brake fluid, and after > bleeding best I can, to get the last lil bubbles out of the tilted brake > cylinder I have my helper open the bleeder wide, I mash down HARD on the > pedal, and I get the air out. Folks don't mash down hard enough. If you do > it hard the resulting turbulence flushes the last air bubbles. > > I have no idea if this idea can be of use with MATCO brakes. > > GeoB > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 08:26:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: the aft cg club...
    From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
    Don't want to start a screaming contest about this topic,but humor me a sec ond here. I truly believe that I can feel the difference in stability, longitudinally ,when it's not aft a bunch.When it's aft and it's turbulent, the MK3 feels like it's riding over a boat's wake,with a little pitch up then back to fla t again with each bump.When it's more forward,the bump is still there but t he pitch up isn't.Anyone else feel this or do I need a check-up from the ne ck up? G.Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200a -----Original Message----- From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the aft cg club... This is where this discussion really needs to distinguish between being wit hin the acceptable CG range, but being aft of the desired "perfect" 25% MAC , and being outside the range, i.e. aft of the CG envelope. Rick Girard On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Renee <ulflygirl@mysky.us> wrote: I once saw someone try to do a weight and balance with the tail on the grou nd. Talk about a rear cg with a pusher! Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting int o a > flat spin & not being able to recover. > Russ K > > > Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. > > i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on purp ose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only relea se the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin. it ca me out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried. > > boyd > > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 08:29:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Failure
    From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
    I am talking about Richards report of the incident right here in this very thread you are posting in. I realize that some people might not have access to the pictures or might not bother to look at them. But if you do, it clears up all confusion about what pin it is and the fact that when the pin comes out there is just a hole in the bottom of the float bowl. John Hauck wrote: > There are pictures attached to this report. Look at them if you get a > chance. From looking at the pictures the guide pins, are inserted into > holes that are drilled all the way through the float bowl. When the pin > falls out, there is just a hole in the bottom of the float bowl for the fuel > to drip out. > ************************************* > > > Do you have a url for the report? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356323#356323


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    Time: 08:59:49 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Failure
    I am talking about Richards report of the incident right here in this very thread you are posting in. Jason/Gang: Thanks for the info. I missed it first time around. I don't normally follow the Kolb BBS, but receive the antiquated email Kolb List. That is why I missed the photos of the float bowl. Just pulled the float bowls a couple days ago, before Rev posted the problem. In the future when I pull the float bowls, I'll make sure the guide pins are still secure. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 09:09:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use this as my fuel shuttle. Show me something better and I'll buy it ! [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg


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    Time: 09:12:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: the aft cg club...
    From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
    Gary I once clamped a weight to the tail wheel strut to fix a up elevator issue I had when I had my redrive VW mounted on top of the rotax mount. It was a big mistake. On my first trip to Oshkosh I encountered HEAVY turbulence. The plane was almost uncontrollable. After removing the weight it was a pussy cat again. The real fix is the low VW mount that Kolb has adopted. No check-up required you are spot on. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote: > Don't want to start a screaming contest about this topic,but humor me a > second here. > I truly believe that I can feel the difference in stability, > longitudinally,when it's not aft a bunch.When it's aft and it's turbulent, > the MK3 feels like it's riding over a boat's wake,with a little pitch up > then back to flat again with each bump.When it's more forward,the bump is > still there but the pitch up isn't.Anyone else feel this or do I need a > check-up from the neck up? > G.Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200a > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> > To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 8:59 pm > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: the aft cg club... > > This is where this discussion really needs to distinguish between being > within the acceptable CG range, but being aft of the desired "perfect" 25% > MAC, and being outside the range, i.e. aft of the CG envelope. > > Rick Girard > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Renee <ulflygirl@mysky.us> wrote: > >> >> I once saw someone try to do a weight and balance with the tail on the >> ground. Talk about a rear cg with a pusher! >> >> Renee >> >> Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) >> >> On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:13 AM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Trouble with an aft CG is, as I think you know, the chance of getting >> into a >> > flat spin & not being able to recover. >> > Russ K >> > >> > >> > Ever heard of a Kolb getting into a flat spin? >> > >> > john h >> > mkIII >> > Titus, Alabama >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >> > >> > i fly near the rear cg limit, and have put the mkiii into a spin on >> purpose,,,, i did not have to push opposite rudder to get out,,,, only >> release the back and rudder pressure that i had done to induse the spin. >> it came out of the spin almost instantly. i am not worried. >> > >> > boyd >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be > unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > tor?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 09:43:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Dennis, you didn't add a link or anything about the pump. Do make sure it is rated for gasoline. Saving a few bucks is great until you balance them against the bills from the burn ward of a hospital. Rick Girard On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>wrote : > > I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's > both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten > gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and > use > this as my fuel shuttle. > > Show me something better and I'll buy it ! > > > [Idea] > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > =85=94These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on=85=94 Unknown > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 09:58:08 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    I wasn't aware that mechanical pumps had to be rated for anything. He did send a picture. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Tender Ideas please Dennis, you didn't add a link or anything about the pump. Do make sure it is rated for gasoline. Saving a few bucks is great until you balance them against the bills from the burn ward of a hospital. Rick Girard On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote: <retroman@frontier.com> I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use this as my fuel shuttle. Show me something better and I'll buy it ! [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern =85=94These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on=85=94 Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 10:01:42 AM PST US
    From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    That looks a lot like the one I bought from Harbor Freight for way less than half that price. It worked for fuel for awhile but since the seals were not compatible with gasoline, they gave up after several months of use. I then replaced it with the following pump with seals rated for gasoline and other petroleum products. It has been working fine for over a year. Oops. Could not find the one I bought online anymore. It is a lever type and easy to operate with 8 pumps per gallon, or one pint per pump. Thom in Buffalo On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>wrote : > > I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's > both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten > gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and > use > this as my fuel shuttle. > > Show me something better and I'll buy it ! > > > [Idea] > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > =85=94These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on=85=94 Unknown > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 10:24:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    Here's the link http://www.chdist.com/displayproductdetail.do?skuSearch=7434600&mr:referralID=5f5e1d01-fd8f-11e0-9866-001b2166becc&baseItemOID=94443&itemGroupOID=94443&sku=7434600&cid=cse_next -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356336#356336


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    Time: 10:33:04 AM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    In the aftermath of Katrina, we used http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html to pump avgas from our field's tank to run our generators. Most pumps that are reasonably priced, both electric & mechanical, specify 'no gasoline', but I suspect that for the hand cranked pumps it is driven more by the legal department than any real danger. Charlie On 10/30/2011 11:53 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > That looks a lot like the one I bought from Harbor Freight for way > less than half that price. It worked for fuel for awhile but since the > seals were not compatible with gasoline, they gave up after several > months of use. I then replaced it with the following pump with seals > rated for gasoline and other petroleum products. It has been working > fine for over a year. > > Oops. Could not find the one I bought online anymore. It is a lever > type and easy to operate with 8 pumps per gallon, or one pint per pump. > > Thom in Buffalo > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com > <mailto:retroman@frontier.com>> wrote: > > <retroman@frontier.com <mailto:retroman@frontier.com>> > > I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about > $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns > produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small > trailer with gas hose and use > this as my fuel shuttle. > > Show me something better and I'll buy it ! > > > [Idea] > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The > optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. > ~Gil Stern > > ..."These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch > on..." Unknown > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 10:59:34 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    I would imagine that most of the seal problems are due to Ethanol, not necessarily gas itself. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie England To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Tender Ideas please In the aftermath of Katrina, we used http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html to pump avgas from our field's tank to run our generators. Most pumps that are reasonably priced, both electric & mechanical, specify 'no gasoline', but I suspect that for the hand cranked pumps it is driven more by the legal department than any real danger. Charlie On 10/30/2011 11:53 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: That looks a lot like the one I bought from Harbor Freight for way less than half that price. It worked for fuel for awhile but since the seals were not compatible with gasoline, they gave up after several months of use. I then replaced it with the following pump with seals rated for gasoline and other petroleum products. It has been working fine for over a year. Oops. Could not find the one I bought online anymore. It is a lever type and easy to operate with 8 pumps per gallon, or one pint per pump. Thom in Buffalo On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote: <retroman@frontier.com> I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use this as my fuel shuttle. Show me something better and I'll buy it ! [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern ."These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on." Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==========


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    Time: 11:13:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Original Firestar II for sale.........thumbs
    From: "thumbs" <gbthacker@hotmail.com>
    Ya know it's a shame you decided to take your frustration out on a plane you know nothing about and has absolutely noting to do with the "Modified" plane you were going to buy. Personally I wouldn't even look at a Firestar that was modified into a side by side configuration. Apparently you would and that is fine. This has nothing to do with my Firestarll. The Firestar ll I am offering for sale is a great little plane. It is not modified at all. If someone wants to have it checked out I have no problem with it at all. There is no obligation to buy it at all. Like I said I am willing to work with anyone that is interested. I am not nor will I ever sell anything that is not up to the intended use. Personally I would expect anyone thinking for buying any aircraft to have it inspected by someone that knows what they are doing. Personally I don't know why you even responded to my posting. Obviously you have no intention of buying the plane, you don't know me or the aircraft at all and it has nothing to do with the modified aircraft you were getting ready to buy. I guess the only thing you ended up doing is possibly keeping someone form getting a pretty good deal on a great little plane. The point here is your are comparing apples to oranges and really has no place in this thread. -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356341#356341


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    Time: 12:59:55 PM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    At 12:05 PM 10/30/2011, Dennis Thate wrote: > >I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's >both a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten >gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use >this as my fuel shuttle. > >Show me something better and I'll buy it ! I added a hose and dip tube to my existing 5 gallon plastic can. A foot pump (made for filling air mattresses) puts a small amount of pressure (~5 psi, which is about the same pressure as when a gas can sits in the sunlight and bulges out) in the can which pushes fuel up the tube to my tank. A brass ball valve on the end lets me shut it off when it's full: <http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/flyparafan/Kolb/fuel%20filler/?start=0> A commercially available version of the system is at http://www.portablefuelsystems.com/ (not the expensive alcohol separator, their fueling system I think costs about the same as your pump -Dana -- What's brown and sticky? A stick!


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    Time: 03:13:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Failure
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Got this update this morning from Dean Vogel at Lockwood Aviation: "We have seen that issue with the float bowls before. I have for a while now included the checking of that detail in the Maintenance training class when we go through the carburetors. The only solution is to replace the float bowl." On the other hand, since this is East Tennessee, and we do things our own way - the owner reamed the hole a hair larger, packed it with JB Weld, and drove the pin in FIRMLY. Will keep ya posted... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356353#356353


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    Time: 03:22:54 PM PST US
    From: Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Bing Carb Failure
    "The only solution is to replace the float bowl." If you are selling Bing parts, that is the only way :-). Thom On Oct 30, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: > > Got this update this morning from Dean Vogel at Lockwood Aviation: > > "We have seen that issue with the float bowls before. I have for a while now included the checking of that detail in the Maintenance training class when we go through the carburetors. The only solution is to replace the float bowl." > > On the other hand, since this is East Tennessee, and we do things our own way - the owner reamed the hole a hair larger, packed it with JB Weld, and drove the pin in FIRMLY. > > Will keep ya posted... > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356353#356353 > >


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    Time: 03:27:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb MKIII video
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    Finally figured out how to edit the video so I could add sound to it. Everybody has different musical tastes, but this is how I like it. http://www.bcchapel.org/MESF/October%20Kolb.html PS: the second clip might have you scratching your heads, but I am just east of Hiltons, Virginia, and the square gray building on the left is the Carter Fold, home place for A.P Carter, and (as you hard core country music fans will know) that is their signature song. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356354#356354


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    Time: 04:28:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb MKIII video
    From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
    bad link? BB On 30, Oct 2011, at 6:24 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Finally figured out how to edit the video so I could add sound to it. Everybody has different musical tastes, but this is how I like it. > > http://www.bcchapel.org/MESF/October%20Kolb.html > > PS: the second clip might have you scratching your heads, but I am just east of Hiltons, Virginia, and the square gray building on the left is the Carter Fold, home place for A.P Carter, and (as you hard core country music fans will know) that is their signature song. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356354#356354 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:02:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb MKIII video
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    [quote="slyck(at)frontiernet.net"]bad link? BB [quote] Shouldn't be, but go here: http://www.bcchapel.org/MESF/3TN0.html And go to the bottom of the page and click on the appropriate link - -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356363#356363


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    Time: 05:10:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb MKIII video
    From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
    slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote: > bad link? > BB > > Worked great from here. Music added a lot to an already entertaining video. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356364#356364


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    Time: 05:40:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
    20 gal drum with Carter electric fuel pump-12volt off the race car, with 20 ft of 3/8 neoprene gas line with a phony plastic nozzle.Must pump about 2.5 gal per min.There is a good picture of the set up on oh2fly's trailer web page.The pump was about 80.00,can't remember what the line cost,but it beat s cranking big time. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:09 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Tender Ideas please I found this cast metal rotary pump at a farm store for about $129. It's bo th a siphon and a pump. One hundred complete turns produces about ten gallons of gas. I plan to carry this in a small trailer with gas hose and use this as my fuel shuttle. Show me something better and I'll buy it ! [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve nts the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern =C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2=9DThese flying machines are just a fad an d will never catch on=C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356329#356329 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotary_hand_gas_pump_siphon_853.jpg


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    Time: 06:04:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Artical in the paper...
    From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
    Pat, They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.Those breezes keep y ou sharp. G.A. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 30, 2011 7:47 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Artical in the paper... Hope the weather over there is better.>> Not really Gary, One half of the country is being rained on heavily and flooded. The other h alf, all of 300 miles away, is a dustbowl with fields which should be green ing up for the winter showing nothing but bare earth. We have had several windless autumn (fall) days recently with lovely winter sunshine although the trees have not changed colour and still have their leaves. Flew yesterday. For various reasons about 4 hours too late. The calm as I l eft home had changed when I reached my field and the clear blue sky was beg inning to show some lines of cumulus and the windsock was beginning to flic k out straight. The wind was more or less down the strip so decided to do a quick sortie an yway. The plane was beginning to need some close attention as I taxied out through the gusting crosswind to the strip. The take off run was pretty short and the climb out a bit bumpy but OK. Thr ottled back to cruise at around 1000ft agl and had a look round. Definite l ines of Cu across part of the sky and the vario was flicking sharply up and down. Not comfortable so decided to limit the flight to around 30 minutes and just enjoy. Noticed that the smoke from one or two bonfires was bein g whipped away horizontally. There was continual thermic activity, very bro ken because of the wind, and I was trying to keep well away from the formin g clouds. The bottom fell out and left me hanging in the straps as I barged into a th ermal. Luckily I had pulled the straps tight when I realised that it was a bit lumpier than I expected or I would have cracked my head on the canopy. The vario went from 4 up to 4 down in a split second. Decided that discret ion was the better part of valour, (I do this for FUN) chickened out and wh ipped very quickly back towards the strip, sliding sideways across wind and banging up and down like a roller coaster. A lot of throttle needed to fig ht my way down finals. The windsock was standing out horizontally. Occasion ally changing direction by 15 degrees. The landing strip has a high, thick hedge on either side which usually caus es a large pool of quiet air to form close to the ground. I usually close the throttle over the hedge and float in. Not this time. The wind whistling slightly across the strip made a wind tunnel where the wind went faster , enlivened by the odd lump of curl over from the side. I don`t think I have ever had a rougher approach. The ground was going past quite slowly but it kept getting close and then receding again as I nearly touched down and th en ballooned up again. It seemed to go on for ages although it could only h ave been a few seconds. Eventually the wheels settled on the grass surprisi ngly gently. My wild over reactions must have just cancelled out at the rig ht time.. I pulled off the strip and taxied very gently to my hangar. Stick hard into wind and juggling the brakes to try and stay on the track. Got her tucked away and was just driving away when the owner of the field appeared. "I am surprised to see you flying in this " he said "No one else is up" I must sharpen up my weather forecasting skills, particularly paying atten tion to what is going to happen in the next hour. Pouring with rain today, sky is grey and overcast, wind is supposed to freshen. No decision to be made today. I am definitely NOT going flying. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 06:55:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tender Ideas please
    From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
    zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: > 20 gal drum with Carter electric fuel pump-12volt off the race car, with 20ft of 3/8 neoprene gas line with a phony plastic nozzle.Must pump about 2.5 gal per min.There is a good picture of the set up on oh2fly's trailer web page.The pump was about 80.00,can't remember what the line cost,but it beats cranking big time. > G.Aman > > > > > > -- Maybe I'm being overly cautious, I want to stay away from any chance of sparks; battery / electric of any kind... I have a farm background and like simplicity. http://bcove.me/4tryzjbk [Laughing] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356373#356373




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