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1. 04:12 AM - noise (frank goodnight)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: noise (robert bean)
3. 06:18 AM - Re: noise (Andy and Sheila Slinkard)
4. 06:20 AM - Re: noise (frank goodnight)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: noise (George Alexander)
6. 08:08 AM - Re: noise (Rick Neilsen)
7. 04:20 PM - Re: noise (gliderx5@comcast.net)
8. 07:35 PM - Re: noise (Richard Pike)
9. 08:04 PM - Every Hangar should have one (Dennis Thate)
10. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: GPS in FireFly (David Kulp)
11. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: noise (Andy and Sheila Slinkard)
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| Subject: | PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years Strong!! |
Dear Listers,
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Hi Kolbers,
Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a firestar 2 ?
I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me nuts.
got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear plugs
at the same time , still too loud . To talk to the tower I have to pull power
off
and stall the plane. that works ok if I'm the one that does the calling , but
if
someone wants to talk to me the problems start. If anyone has had any success
with sound proofing ---batts blankets , whatever I sure would like to know what
they
did.Appreciate any help.
'
Frank Goodnight
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Have you tried a foam mic cover?
BB
do not archive
On 1, Nov 2011, at 7:09 AM, frank goodnight wrote:
> Hi Kolbers,
> Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a
firestar 2 ?
> I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me
nuts.
> got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear
plugs
> at the same time , still too loud . To talk to the tower I have to
pull power off
> and stall the plane. that works ok if I'm the one that does the
calling , but if
> someone wants to talk to me the problems start. If anyone has had any
success
> with sound proofing ---batts blankets , whatever I sure would like to
know what they
> did.Appreciate any help.
> '
> Frank Goodnight
>
>
>
>
>
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Frank,
This problem concerned me from the start with construction of my
Firestar II with HKS engine. It was obvious to me we need to get the
noise behind us. I have never seen it done, but I am putting my exhaust
under the engine and out the back. I realize it takes a custom made
exhaust system, but think it will be worth it. This also eliminates the
huge amount of drag the muffler creates on top. It also, in my mind,
necessitated a custom fuel tank which can be firewalled from the muffler
heat and fire potential. Mind you, this is still in the developmental
process. Included are a few pictures showing the oil cooler and oil
reservoir up front where they need to be. You will see a substitute
wing root profile used for reference purposes during fabrication and
spacing. Eventually the whole gap seal area will have a light one piece
removable fiberglass airfoil covering with an air intake opening
channeled to the oil cooler. In the winter the oil cooler and oil tank
can be used as a cabin heat source.
Andy
WN31
----- Original Message -----
From: frank goodnight
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: noise
Hi Kolbers,
Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a
firestar 2 ?
I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me
nuts.
got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear
plugs
at the same time , still too loud . To talk to the tower I have to
pull power off
and stall the plane. that works ok if I'm the one that does the
calling , but if
someone wants to talk to me the problems start. If anyone has had any
success
with sound proofing ---batts blankets , whatever I sure would like to
know what they
did.Appreciate any help.
'
Frank Goodnight
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HI Robert ,
I do have a foam mic cover -- came with the head set-- Larry plane is pretty
much as
you saw it except for nose bowl and shorty windscreen. Am in the process of
putting
on a full windshield for the winter --it gets COLD-- here in north ARK.
Wife wants to drive down to Nauga Field then on to FLA to see friends. I would
like to see all of you guys , will probably do it.
Frank Goodnight
________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tue, November 1, 2011 7:40:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: noise
Have you tried a foam mic cover?
BB
do not archive
On 1, Nov 2011, at 7:09 AM, frank goodnight wrote:
Hi Kolbers,
> Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a firestar 2 ?
>I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me nuts.
>got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear plugs
>at the same time , still too loud . To talk to the tower I have to pull power
>off
>and stall the plane. that works ok if I'm the one that does the calling , but
>if
>someone wants to talk to me the problems start. If anyone has had any success
>with sound proofing ---batts blankets , whatever I sure would like to know what
>they
>did.Appreciate any help.
>'
> Frank Goodnight
>
>
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frank.goodnight(at)att.ne wrote:
> Hi Kolbers,
> Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a firestar 2 ?
> I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me nuts.
> got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear plugs
> at the same time , still too loud .
>
> - SNIP -
> Frank Goodnight
>
You may want to be sure that your headset has good cups/seals and fits snug. Even
wearing glasses..... the ear piece will open the seal enough to let lots of
noise in.
I use the DRE 6000 put into a Comtronics shell/helmet. Snugging up chin strap
gives a tight seal (that Tupperware would be envious of). My FS II is a standard
configuration with a R503 DCDI; 3.47 C Box and a Powerfin 3 prop.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356483#356483
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Frank
This is a issue I have been trying to fix for some time. I currently wear
Sony noise reducing ear buds under noise canceling head sets. This solution
works but I would like better. I have tried different mufflers and a bunch
of noise dampening insulation with only limited success. I have had a
number of different engines and engine mounts and found that one particular
mount that had real soft mounting bushings/vibration dampers had the lowest
pilot noise levels by far. My current engine mount needs softer bushings to
reduce the noise producing vibrations being transferred to the air frame. I
drilled four 1/8 inch holes in one bushing last spring and noticed some
improvement and no ill effects on the bushing. I have a line on softer
bushings from Lord Mounts but haven't called yet. I also noticed that John
H has his fuel tank mounted high in the cage between between people and the
engine and that seemed to make things much quieter than other 912 powered
MKIIIs.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Andy and Sheila Slinkard <
andysheila@eltopia.com> wrote:
> **
> Frank,
> This problem concerned me from the start with construction of my Firestar
> II with HKS engine. It was obvious to me we need to get the noise behind
> us. I have never seen it done, but I am putting my exhaust under the
> engine and out the back. I realize it takes a custom made exhaust system,
> but think it will be worth it. This also eliminates the huge amount of
> drag the muffler creates on top. It also, in my mind, necessitated a
> custom fuel tank which can be firewalled from the muffler heat and fire
> potential. Mind you, this is still in the developmental process. Included
> are a few pictures showing the oil cooler and oil reservoir up front where
> they need to be. You will see a substitute wing root profile used for
> reference purposes during fabrication and spacing. Eventually the whole
> gap seal area will have a light one piece removable fiberglass airfoil
> covering with an air intake opening channeled to the oil cooler. In the
> winter the oil cooler and oil tank can be used as a cabin heat source.
> Andy
> WN31
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:09 AM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: noise
>
> Hi Kolbers,
> Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a firestar 2
> ?
> I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me nuts.
> got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear plugs
> at the same time , still too loud . To talk to the tower I have to pull
> power off
> and stall the plane. that works ok if I'm the one that does the calling ,
> but if
> someone wants to talk to me the problems start. If anyone has had any
> success
> with sound proofing ---batts blankets , whatever I sure would like to know
> what they
> did.Appreciate any help.
> '
> Frank Goodnight
>
> *
>
>
> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>
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>
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Frank
I had problems transmitting from my Titan Tornado, but I could hear just fine.
The Tornado with a 503 is louder than my old MKII was. The issue I had was solved
with a remote push to talk switch. I use an Icom A6 and there is a bug in
the radio. If you use a headset with the radio, and use the transmit switch on
the side of the radio, the mic on the radio itself is activated, not the one
on the headset. To activate the headset mic I had to attach a remote PTT. Worked
great once I did that. Also worked great when hooked up to an intercom for
some reason. May not be the problem that you are having, but something to be aware
of if using an A6.
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "frank goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 7:09:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: noise
Hi Kolbers,
Has anyone out there ever tried to kill some of the noise on a firestar 2 ?
I use a HKS engine with the up exhaust , and the noise is driving me nuts.
got the noise canceling head set DR 6000 sometimes use it and ear plugs
at the same time , still too loud . To talk to the tower I have to pull power off
and stall the plane. that works ok if I'm the one that does the calling , but if
someone wants to talk to me the problems start. If anyone has had any success
with sound proofing ---batts blankets , whatever I sure would like to know what
they
did.Appreciate any help.
'
Frank Goodnight
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Andy - the pictures you have posted have files sizes of over 1 mb, and now the
thread (for those of us that read it on the internet and not email) has become
unreadable in the sense that it is more trouble than it's worth to scroll back
and forth to read what people write.
There are lots of free picture resizers online that will knock the pictures down
to a more convenient size in the future.
Thanks
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356609#356609
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| Subject: | Every Hangar should have one |
A local public school was demolished by the wreaking ball. I managed to salvage
the only steel fire door in it's basement. Makes for a very secure 'walk-in door.'
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356612#356612
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: GPS in FireFly |
Hi Don,
Was out of power and internet for a few days since that incredible 10"
OCTOBER! snowfall. But I'm back now.
My Zumo needs a cradle with about 20 pins, so a universal won't work. I
presently have the Zumo and cradle attached to the instrument panel with
the RAM ball and socket setup you described, but my instrument panel is
down around my shins, so it's hard to see smaller detail. I also have a
RAM suction cup that uses the same ball and socket and a couple on the
list said they work fine, so I'm going to take it up (I hope tomorrow)
and move the GPS from the inst. panel to the windshield above and behind
the throttle. It is stays on I'm in business.
Thanks for the tips, Don. Much appreciated. BTW, since it's probably
dear to your heart, since I bought a Beemer K1200LT I put my Honda
ST1100 on the block. Just sold it today for $2,250. Not too bad for 10
years and 129K miles, right? Of course it really shines in your
department; I topped off the oil for the buyer and in the 1,400 miles
since the oil change it was only down .3 qt. That V4 is a great engine,
and with the D&D exhaust it sounds terrific, too.
Dave
On 10/31/2011 9:55 PM, Don G wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G"<donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Dave,
> I have a RAM mounted garmin in my KitFox, and I am sure a similiar mount would
work in the Fly'...it extends the device about 5 inches toward you when in
the straight position, and the RAM system is secure as you can get. I have just
recently seen several universal RAM attachments at a trade show and I am pretty
certain they have one that would fit your GPS...they look like a sort of
spider legged clap deal that binds the device from the sides. this attackment
, coupled with the ball and socket RAM mount would easily bolt to the panel.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356466#356466
>
>
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Just double click on the attachment for a smaller version. The larger size
gives better detail.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: noise
>
> Andy - the pictures you have posted have files sizes of over 1 mb, and now
> the thread (for those of us that read it on the internet and not email)
> has become unreadable in the sense that it is more trouble than it's worth
> to scroll back and forth to read what people write.
>
> There are lots of free picture resizers online that will knock the
> pictures down to a more convenient size in the future.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
> seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356609#356609
>
>
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