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(Matt Dralle) 1. 04:42 AM - Re: Headsets & hearing loss (SS568) 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Richard Pike) 3. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Charlie England) 4. 07:40 AM - Re: Picture size (Richard Girard) 5. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (b young) 6. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Larry Cottrell) 7. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Rick Neilsen) 8. 12:46 PM - Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Richard Pike) 9. 12:51 PM - Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Richard Pike) 10. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Gary Aman) 11. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (b young) 12. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (b young) 13. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Larry Cottrell) 14. 05:48 PM - Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Richard Pike) 15. 06:50 PM - Re: Headsets & hearing loss (Jack B. Hart) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:24 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Please Support The Lists... Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Please make your Contribution today at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: "SS568" OOps my bad. I went to google and googled ear buds. Google sent me to a site called Skull Candy and here is what they said about one of their ear buds. Ink'd Black (MIc'd) Ink adds permanence. It forces the visual representation of an idea, concept, ideal or experience, and tangibly commemorates it. Like a tattoo, graffiti, or stretch marks. Until you're really ready to commit, go with the INK'D ear buds. Big sound, little price, no visible scarring. Go figure? On the serious side is there a need to worry about impedance match? David d. -------- Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356799#356799 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: "Richard Pike" SS568 wrote: > > > On the serious side is there a need to worry about impedance match? > > David d.[/b] Not that I noticed. I wondered about it ahead of time, but it seems to work just fine. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356801#356801 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:40 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss On 11/03/2011 07:14 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" > > > SS568 wrote: >> >> On the serious side is there a need to worry about impedance match? >> >> David d.[/b] > > Not that I noticed. I wondered about it ahead of time, but it seems to work just fine. > > -------- > Richard Pike Were these regular headsets, or active noise canceling? I'd be a little leery of making that mod on noise canceling models; it might mess up the headset's ability to do its noise cancel process. I've used regular earbuds under active headsets by just using an adapter & plugging the earbuds into the a/c's headset jack instead of the headset plug. The headset mic plug stayed in the regular configuration. In a homebuilt (RV-4 in this case), it's so quiet I worried a little bit that I might not hear a/c noise that I would *need* to hear. Charlie ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Picture size From: Richard Girard Sheila, No apology is needed. Forgive me if I seemed upset or sounded like the "list nazi", I'm neither. Rick On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Andy and Sheila Slinkard < andysheila@eltopia.com> wrote: > ** > My apology, Richard. I was trying to assist my husband and forgot to > resize the photos before sending. Since I could not recall and correct my > sent e-mail I simply made a suggestion (not a lecture) on how to see the > pictures. I would never deliberately infuriate you or anyone. Most > Kolbers are kind and helpful and we appreciate all of the information and > suggestions whether we use them or not. Once again, I apologize for any > inconvenience to you and others. > Sincerely, > Sheila Slinkard > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:53 PM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Picture size > > We have had this discussion more than a few times, here. I don't > understand why people want to post large pictures and then lecture the rest > of the forum about how to deal with them. There are many free photo editors > available on the web. I've been using Irfanview for 8 years and it does > everything I've ever wanted to do. If you don't have a photo editor you can > get Irfanview here: > http://www.irfanview.com/ > Whatever photo editor you use, please take the time to figure out what > reduction setting works with the size pictures from your camera to produce > an image that just fits the screen of your computer. > As an example, my Fuji Finepix S1500 is set to record pictures at 3648 X > 2432. Using Irfanview, I know from much practice that reducing the image to > 37% of that size produces a picture that is 1350 X 900. That size image > fills the screen on both my laptop and my desktop screens without > generating slide bars on the edges. Reducing a picture to that size changes > it from 2.15 Mbytes to 700 to 900 Kbytes, depending on the picture > contents. Aircraft pictures with lots of blue sky tend toward the smaller, > those of my grandkids with busy backgrounds are larger. > In Irfanview the effort to do this reduction is four keystrokes (cntl R, > 37, and enter) and one more to save. It could be even less if I was to > accept some of the stock sizes offered like 800 X 600, but I like to get a > full size, screen-filling picture. > Another way to reduce image size is to crop out the details relevant to > the message. In Irfanview this too is simple. Cntl Y is "crop and leave > selection". It allows you to draw a box around the area you want to keep > and when you hit return everything outside will be gone. The selection will > be expanded to either its full size, if smaller than the screen, or to fill > the screen if larger. > You might also consider the purpose of the picture. For a "this is me and > my airplane at Blivet Airport" picture, an image the size of a business > card is okay. The same size picture for a "this is how I mounted my new > muffler bearing" image is useless. > So, how 'bout it? None of this is rocket science and it's free to do with > just a little effort. A sender can make a few keystrokes and produce an > image that works for 99% of the readers. Why not just use a little > consideration for the group rather than lecturing on how to reduce an image > once it's posted. > > Rick Girard > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:07 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss i had wondered about using regular ear buds, and plugging them into the aux output on the intercom.. , sigtronics spo22n, and running the wires under the ear cup seals. at least for a test, before i connected them into the headset. as far as impedance,,, most ear buds, because they are placed in the ear canal and need to move a much smaller volume of air to be just as loud, and will have a much higher impedance than the speakers in the headsets. the biggest difference in the impedance would show up in how they are connected, series or parole, to the headset speaker. i have nothing but a gut feeling on this one but i think i would go with parole. instead of hard wiring them into the headset,,, i have wondered about a small magnetic coupled connection, kind of like the new apple computer laptop is using for the charging cable. this would eliminate ripping something loose should it get pulled by accident. opinions welcome boyd young \mkiii utah/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've used regular earbuds under active headsets by just using an adapter & plugging the earbuds into the a/c's headset jack instead of the headset plug. The headset mic plug stayed in the regular configuration. In a homebuilt (RV-4 in this case), it's so quiet I worried a little bit that I might not hear a/c noise that I would *need* to hear. Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:17 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss The biggest problem that I have using a headset is that most are not tight enough to the head to keep out the unwanted noise. David Clarks however are painful to me because they squeeze my head, Sigtronics and all the others that I have tried are too loose. I need to check into a chin strap I guess. Keep us posted with what you find out Boyd. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: b young To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss i had wondered about using regular ear buds, and plugging them into the aux output on the intercom.. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: Rick Neilsen I'm currently using Sony ear buds under my Sigtronics head set that I added the headset inc. active noise reduction kit to. I got some adapters and plugged two sets of ear buds into my intercom one for me and one for my passenger. The ear buds provide almost as much additional noise reduction as ear plugs but do a better job with voice clarity than the heads sets so it works very well. I have been flying with this set up for about four years but now I occasionally loose one or both the ear bud connections and have to wiggle the adapters to get it working again. Richard P has developed a elegant solution but I wounder if a jack in the head set or in the intercom for the ear buds might be a better long term solution. I'm also getting close to wearing out the Sony ear buds and would not look forward to soldering in a new set with each change. Those tiny wires are a real pain with my fat fingers. I have never lost a ear seal from the ear buds but I have discovered at least with the Sony buds that the little handle on the ear buds bumps against the head set and isn't comfortable so I have scored and broken off the little ear bud handles. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM, b young wrote: > > i had wondered about using regular ear buds, and plugging them into the > aux output on the intercom.. , sigtronics spo22n, and running the wires > under the ear cup seals. at least for a test, before i connected them into > the headset. as far as impedance,,, most ear buds, because they are > placed in the ear canal and need to move a much smaller volume of air to be > just as loud, and will have a much higher impedance than the speakers in > the headsets. the biggest difference in the impedance would show up in > how they are connected, series or parole, to the headset speaker. i have > nothing but a gut feeling on this one but i think i would go with parole. > instead of hard wiring them into the headset,,, i have wondered about a > small magnetic coupled connection, kind of like the new apple computer > laptop is using for the charging cable. this would eliminate ripping > something loose should it get pulled by accident. > opinions welcome > > boyd young > \mkiii utah/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I've used regular earbuds under active headsets by just using an adapter > & plugging the earbuds into the a/c's headset jack instead of the > headset plug. The headset mic plug stayed in the regular configuration. > In a homebuilt (RV-4 in this case), it's so quiet I worried a little bit > that I might not hear a/c noise that I would *need* to hear. > > Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: "Richard Pike" neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote: > I'm currently using Sony ear buds under my Sigtronics head set that I added the headset inc. active noise reduction kit to. I got some adapters and plugged two sets of ear buds into my intercom one for me and one for my passenger. The ear buds provide almost as much additional noise reduction as ear plugs but do a better job with voice clarity than the heads sets so it works very well. > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > I did that for a while, but ran out of patience with the plethora of wires. I have a low confusion tolerance, and I was always getting something tangled up. Probably it is just me... Anyway, splicing the earbuds into the headset eliminated the overabundance of wires. OTOH, before I spliced them into the headset, I could plug the earbuds into the mp3 player, which was nice if I was going off by myself with no expectation to talk to anybody. That option is no longer available. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356833#356833 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: "Richard Pike" [quote="lcottrell"]The biggest problem that I have using a headset is that most are not tight enough to the head to keep out the unwanted noise. David Clarks however are painful to me because they squeeze my head, Sigtronics and all the others that I have tried are too loose. I need to check into a chin strap I guess. Keep us posted with what you find out Boyd. Larry > --- You can use the Armstrong method on that stainless steel strap that runs over the top of the head, you know - fine tune the tension a bit. Along with that - was brain storming with a friend the other night - I am using silicon gel filled ear cushions on the head set - why would it not work to get a second set of gel filled cushions and then use some of that foamy double stick tape and stack the foam cushions atop one another to make things more comfortable? Feedback? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356834#356834 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: Gary Aman Rick, You wore the David Clarks when we rode in my MK3.Were they enough to be com fortable or have I become accustomed to the din the Jabiru produces? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Rick Neilsen Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss I'm currently using Sony ear buds under my Sigtronics head set that I added the headset inc. active noise reduction kit to. I got some adapters and pl ugged two sets of ear buds into my intercom one for me and one for my passe nger. The ear buds provide almost as much additional noise reduction as ear plugs but do a better job with voice clarity than the heads sets so it wor ks very well. I have been flying with this set up for about four years but now I occasionally loose one or both the ear bud connections and have to wi ggle the adapters to get it working again. Richard P has developed a elegan t solution but I wounder if a jack in the head set or in the intercom for t he ear buds might be a better long term solution. I'm also getting close to wearing out the Sony ear buds and would not look forward to soldering in a new set with each change. Those tiny wires are a real pain with my fat fin gers. I have never lost a ear seal from the ear buds but I have discovered at least with the Sony buds that the little handle on the ear buds bumps ag ainst the head set and isn't comfortable so I have scored and broken off th e little ear bud handles. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM, b young wrote: i had wondered about using regular ear buds, and plugging them into the aux output on the intercom.. , sigtronics spo22n, and running the wires unde r the ear cup seals. at least for a test, before i connected them into the headset. as far as impedance,,, most ear buds, because they are placed in the ear canal and need to move a much smaller volume of air to be just a s loud, and will have a much higher impedance than the speakers in the head sets. the biggest difference in the impedance would show up in how they a re connected, series or parole, to the headset speaker. i have nothing bu t a gut feeling on this one but i think i would go with parole. instead of hard wiring them into the headset,,, i have wondered about a small magneti c coupled connection, kind of like the new apple computer laptop is using for the charging cable. this would eliminate ripping something loose shoul d it get pulled by accident. opinions welcome boyd young \mkiii utah/ I've used regular earbuds under active headsets by just using an adapter & plugging the earbuds into the a/c's headset jack instead of the headset plug. The headset mic plug stayed in the regular configuration. In a homebuilt (RV-4 in this case), it's so quiet I worried a little bit that I might not hear a/c noise that I would *need* to hear. Charlie om" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:00 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss series or parole, parallel is what i ment,,,, i think when i hit replace all i did not look carefully enough to what i was replacing with. boyd do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:02 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss OTOH, before I spliced them into the headset, I could plug the earbuds into the mp3 player, which was nice if I was going off by myself with no expectation to talk to anybody. That option is no longer available. -------- Richard Pike >>>>>>>>>>>> plug the mp3 into the aux input in the intercom. best of both worlds. listen to music and talk to ATC. boyd young ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:09 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss I have in fact done that very thing several times, just not enough spring steel in Sigtronics to do the job I guess. I am thinking about some Velcro on each headset and a comfortable strap. Got the Velcro, no such thing as a comfortable strap as of yet. Actually my S45's do enough of a job to be tolerable, better for me than the DRE's, I do like to listen to music, and do so every chance I get, Quieter would still be very nice though and I am ready to listen (pun intended) and adapt every viable option. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike To: kolb-list@matronics.com > --- You can use the Armstrong method on that stainless steel strap that runs over the top of the head, you know - fine tune the tension a bit. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Headsets & hearing loss From: "Richard Pike" byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c wrote: > > plug the mp3 into the aux input in the intercom. best of both worlds. > listen to music and talk to ATC. > > boyd young I tried that, but never could get enough volume. Don't know why. Talk to ATC? I put in 30 years BEING ATC, I don't want to talk to them unless I need them. Which at the altitudes I fly, I mostly don't. I know how good their radar is, and I know how to hide from it... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356853#356853 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:45 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Headsets & hearing loss At 04:18 PM 11/2/11 -0700, you wrote: > > >Pick up some earbuds at your favorite big box store or drugstore, and glue the most comfortable silicon earpieces in place. if you don't glue them in place, they will come off the earbuds, fall out of your ear, and then into the recesses of your Kolb. Guess how I know this? > Richard, I have the same type of hearing problem. I tried the ear buds but I could not keep them located in my ears. I went to a hearing aid salesman and asked him to make me some ear molds. He did. I never got around to mounting the ear buds, but I believe they will take care of the fall out problem. Also, by making the right adaptor, one could use them while flying and on the lawn mower too, and may be get by just using ordinary muff ear protectors. Now if I can just find them.... Jack B. 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