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| Subject: | Re: Building a landing strip in Pa |
Lanny,
A fews years ago, I helped a guy do what you suggested regarding buying some
land, and putting in
a runway. With a background in being a contractor, a real estate agent, and land
development, I have some
experience in these matters. ( I ended up buying the Caterpillar road grader a
couple of years after the landing strip
was put in, to go along with several other pieces of heavy equipment I had)
As suggested by a couple of list members so far....the absolute FIRST thing you
should do is call your local
Planning & Zoning Dept. They will be able to tell you the specific zone category
the land you are interested in, and whether
you can 'legally' build and use a landing strip.
One thing I wouldn't do is; buy the land, build the runway and THEN ask if it's
okay. Hellava lot of time/money/risk if it all
doesn't work out. Just like every other real estate investment, there is a proper
order for things!! To go about it backwards
may be an expensive lesson.
A couple of 'obvious' suggestions to consider regarding picking out that piece
of property. A) Slope, if any. B) Length of 'usable'
runway you can actually build. C) Direction of prevailing wind. D) Proximity to
power lines, neighboring homes, tall trees, etc.
E) Is the property so secluded that someone can break in and steal parts off your
plane? (This happened to my friend, someone broke
into his metal-siding hangar and stole his 503 motor from Quicksilver)
Just a couple of thoughts to consider.....
BTW. Just kidding about the ix-nay on the phone number. My anemic attempt at
humor, which evidently is on life-support.
Mike Welch
On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:
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> A friend of mine, and I are looking for land, to put in our own landing strip.
There is NO hanger space where I fly from now and I am getting too old to drag
my FSII up onto my trailer each time I fly. ( not to mention we feel the land
would be a good investment). Has anyone done this, and what hoops must you
jump through before buying the land? This would NOT be open to the general public,
and only he and I would take off and land there. Thanks in advance for any
guidance you can offer. Lanny N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Building a landing strip in Pa |
Including mine there are four grass strips within 2 miles. Not much fear of collisions
as I'm the only one
who flies with any regularity. We are fortunate to be in an agricultural district
which usually is aviation friendly.
None of us ever attempted to comply with any local regs or zoning. -but we have
all been established for over thirty years.
Despite that, it is obviously important to maintain friendly relationships with
neighbors. I make a practice of NEVER
flying over a house, nice guy or not. One comment someone offered that aerial
photos of homes make a big impact.
I put them on CD and give them to the owners.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
still nice here today
On 9, Nov 2011, at 10:52 AM, Michael Welch wrote:
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> Lanny,
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> A fews years ago, I helped a guy do what you suggested regarding buying some
land, and putting in
> a runway. With a background in being a contractor, a real estate agent, and
land development, I have some
> experience in these matters. ( I ended up buying the Caterpillar road grader
a couple of years after the landing strip
> was put in, to go along with several other pieces of heavy equipment I had)
>
> As suggested by a couple of list members so far....the absolute FIRST thing
you should do is call your local
> Planning & Zoning Dept. They will be able to tell you the specific zone category
the land you are interested in, and whether
> you can 'legally' build and use a landing strip.
>
> One thing I wouldn't do is; buy the land, build the runway and THEN ask if it's
okay. Hellava lot of time/money/risk if it all
> doesn't work out. Just like every other real estate investment, there is a proper
order for things!! To go about it backwards
> may be an expensive lesson.
>
> A couple of 'obvious' suggestions to consider regarding picking out that piece
of property. A) Slope, if any. B) Length of 'usable'
> runway you can actually build. C) Direction of prevailing wind. D) Proximity
to power lines, neighboring homes, tall trees, etc.
> E) Is the property so secluded that someone can break in and steal parts off
your plane? (This happened to my friend, someone broke
> into his metal-siding hangar and stole his 503 motor from Quicksilver)
>
> Just a couple of thoughts to consider.....
>
> BTW. Just kidding about the ix-nay on the phone number. My anemic attempt
at humor, which evidently is on life-support.
>
> Mike Welch
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> On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:
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>> A friend of mine, and I are looking for land, to put in our own landing strip.
There is NO hanger space where I fly from now and I am getting too old to drag
my FSII up onto my trailer each time I fly. ( not to mention we feel the land
would be a good investment). Has anyone done this, and what hoops must you
jump through before buying the land? This would NOT be open to the general public,
and only he and I would take off and land there. Thanks in advance for any
guidance you can offer. Lanny N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Building a landing strip in Pa |
> Including mine there are four grass strips within 2 miles. Not much fear of
collisions as I'm the only one
> who flies with any regularity. We are fortunate to be in an agricultural district
which usually is aviation friendly.
> None of us ever attempted to comply with any local regs or zoning. -but we have
all been established for over thirty years.
>
> Despite that, it is obviously important to maintain friendly relationships with
neighbors. I make a practice of NEVER
> flying over a house, nice guy or not. One comment someone offered that aerial
photos of homes make a big impact.
> I put them on CD and give them to the owners.
> BB
> MkIII, suzuki
> still nice here today
Mornin' Mr. Bob,
Important to maintain friendly relations, I agree. John's idea of photos is
a nice touch. But you can never bet the farm on
that one anal butthead that just can't keep their nose out of everyone else's business.
I seem to recall a story about someone
complaining about "those dangerous ultralights" flying out of Sandpoint Airport,
N. Idaho. The airport manager kicked ALL
ultralights out of the airport.
IF a guy 'already' owns the land, then putting in a landing strip isn't that
much of a gamble, because you already own the land
and the most someone can say is "no, you can't do that". What I'm cautioning is,
'buying' the land first, and then expecting to do
whatever you want. Maybe you can....and maybe you can't. Too much risk, when
it was easier to ask P & Z first. Then, if that
butthead complains, you know you don't have anything to fear if the 'regs' say
it's ok.
My friend that put in his landing strip and hangar, put it out way past any houses.
That was also far enough out that when someone
broke into his hangar, they knew there'd be no one around to catch them. Be sure
to include some kind of security precautions
in your hangar (motion lights, alarms, fake or real cameras, signs threatening
they are being video'd, etc)
There definitely are parts of the country that are more 'lightplane" friendly
than others. There's also lots of places with
old farts with NOTHING better to do than to cause trouble. I lived next door to
one, three years ago!!!!!
Mike
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