---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/09/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:21 AM - Reminder (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:55 AM - Re: Building a landing strip in Pa (Michael Welch) 2. 08:14 AM - Re: Building a landing strip in Pa (robert bean) 3. 08:46 AM - Re: Building a landing strip in Pa (Michael Welch) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:32 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Reminder Dear Listers, Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for my your Contributions during this time of the year. Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:37 AM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building a landing strip in Pa Lanny, A fews years ago, I helped a guy do what you suggested regarding buying some land, and putting in a runway. With a background in being a contractor, a real estate agent, and land development, I have some experience in these matters. ( I ended up buying the Caterpillar road grader a couple of years after the landing strip was put in, to go along with several other pieces of heavy equipment I had) As suggested by a couple of list members so far....the absolute FIRST thing you should do is call your local Planning & Zoning Dept. They will be able to tell you the specific zone category the land you are interested in, and whether you can 'legally' build and use a landing strip. One thing I wouldn't do is; buy the land, build the runway and THEN ask if it's okay. Hellava lot of time/money/risk if it all doesn't work out. Just like every other real estate investment, there is a proper order for things!! To go about it backwards may be an expensive lesson. A couple of 'obvious' suggestions to consider regarding picking out that piece of property. A) Slope, if any. B) Length of 'usable' runway you can actually build. C) Direction of prevailing wind. D) Proximity to power lines, neighboring homes, tall trees, etc. E) Is the property so secluded that someone can break in and steal parts off your plane? (This happened to my friend, someone broke into his metal-siding hangar and stole his 503 motor from Quicksilver) Just a couple of thoughts to consider..... BTW. Just kidding about the ix-nay on the phone number. My anemic attempt at humor, which evidently is on life-support. Mike Welch On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > > A friend of mine, and I are looking for land, to put in our own landing strip. There is NO hanger space where I fly from now and I am getting too old to drag my FSII up onto my trailer each time I fly. ( not to mention we feel the land would be a good investment). Has anyone done this, and what hoops must you jump through before buying the land? This would NOT be open to the general public, and only he and I would take off and land there. Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer. Lanny N598LF > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building a landing strip in Pa From: robert bean Including mine there are four grass strips within 2 miles. Not much fear of collisions as I'm the only one who flies with any regularity. We are fortunate to be in an agricultural district which usually is aviation friendly. None of us ever attempted to comply with any local regs or zoning. -but we have all been established for over thirty years. Despite that, it is obviously important to maintain friendly relationships with neighbors. I make a practice of NEVER flying over a house, nice guy or not. One comment someone offered that aerial photos of homes make a big impact. I put them on CD and give them to the owners. BB MkIII, suzuki still nice here today On 9, Nov 2011, at 10:52 AM, Michael Welch wrote: > > Lanny, > > A fews years ago, I helped a guy do what you suggested regarding buying some land, and putting in > a runway. With a background in being a contractor, a real estate agent, and land development, I have some > experience in these matters. ( I ended up buying the Caterpillar road grader a couple of years after the landing strip > was put in, to go along with several other pieces of heavy equipment I had) > > As suggested by a couple of list members so far....the absolute FIRST thing you should do is call your local > Planning & Zoning Dept. They will be able to tell you the specific zone category the land you are interested in, and whether > you can 'legally' build and use a landing strip. > > One thing I wouldn't do is; buy the land, build the runway and THEN ask if it's okay. Hellava lot of time/money/risk if it all > doesn't work out. Just like every other real estate investment, there is a proper order for things!! To go about it backwards > may be an expensive lesson. > > A couple of 'obvious' suggestions to consider regarding picking out that piece of property. A) Slope, if any. B) Length of 'usable' > runway you can actually build. C) Direction of prevailing wind. D) Proximity to power lines, neighboring homes, tall trees, etc. > E) Is the property so secluded that someone can break in and steal parts off your plane? (This happened to my friend, someone broke > into his metal-siding hangar and stole his 503 motor from Quicksilver) > > Just a couple of thoughts to consider..... > > BTW. Just kidding about the ix-nay on the phone number. My anemic attempt at humor, which evidently is on life-support. > > Mike Welch > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > >> >> A friend of mine, and I are looking for land, to put in our own landing strip. There is NO hanger space where I fly from now and I am getting too old to drag my FSII up onto my trailer each time I fly. ( not to mention we feel the land would be a good investment). Has anyone done this, and what hoops must you jump through before buying the land? This would NOT be open to the general public, and only he and I would take off and land there. Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer. Lanny N598LF >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:43 AM PST US From: Michael Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building a landing strip in Pa > Including mine there are four grass strips within 2 miles. Not much fear of collisions as I'm the only one > who flies with any regularity. We are fortunate to be in an agricultural district which usually is aviation friendly. > None of us ever attempted to comply with any local regs or zoning. -but we have all been established for over thirty years. > > Despite that, it is obviously important to maintain friendly relationships with neighbors. I make a practice of NEVER > flying over a house, nice guy or not. One comment someone offered that aerial photos of homes make a big impact. > I put them on CD and give them to the owners. > BB > MkIII, suzuki > still nice here today Mornin' Mr. Bob, Important to maintain friendly relations, I agree. John's idea of photos is a nice touch. But you can never bet the farm on that one anal butthead that just can't keep their nose out of everyone else's business. I seem to recall a story about someone complaining about "those dangerous ultralights" flying out of Sandpoint Airport, N. Idaho. The airport manager kicked ALL ultralights out of the airport. IF a guy 'already' owns the land, then putting in a landing strip isn't that much of a gamble, because you already own the land and the most someone can say is "no, you can't do that". What I'm cautioning is, 'buying' the land first, and then expecting to do whatever you want. Maybe you can....and maybe you can't. Too much risk, when it was easier to ask P & Z first. Then, if that butthead complains, you know you don't have anything to fear if the 'regs' say it's ok. My friend that put in his landing strip and hangar, put it out way past any houses. That was also far enough out that when someone broke into his hangar, they knew there'd be no one around to catch them. Be sure to include some kind of security precautions in your hangar (motion lights, alarms, fake or real cameras, signs threatening they are being video'd, etc) There definitely are parts of the country that are more 'lightplane" friendly than others. There's also lots of places with old farts with NOTHING better to do than to cause trouble. I lived next door to one, three years ago!!!!! 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