---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/21/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 09:25 AM - Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published Dec 1! (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:11 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/20/11 (b young) 2. 09:01 AM - Mz 201 (chris davis) 3. 09:11 AM - Re: Mz 201 (william sullivan) 4. 09:50 AM - Re: Mz 201 (Phil) 5. 10:49 AM - Re: Mz 201 (chris davis) 6. 11:26 AM - Re: Mz 201 (chris davis) 7. 11:39 AM - Re: Mz 201 (John Hauck) 8. 11:52 AM - Re: Mz 201 (Phil) 9. 05:10 PM - Re: Mz 201 (Renee) 10. 05:13 PM - Re: Mz 201 (chris davis) 11. 05:22 PM - Re: Mz 201 (Phil) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:36 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published Dec 1! 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:09 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/20/11 Time: 06:38:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Model Kolbs From: "mlblank" Here is a nice RC replica of a Kolb Mark III www.scttf.org/Club/members/KeathToney.htm Scroll to the bottom of the page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on the photo to enlarge,,,, then scroll left and right for many more pictures of the model and full size airplanes. the composition of his photos is well done. boyd do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:00 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my r udder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start , reduction, muffler ,a complete-40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADi sabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:39 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 - Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not?- And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Bill=0A Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ FS 447 --- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis wrote: From: chris davis Subject:=0A Kolb-List: Mz 201 Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my r udder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start , reduction, muffler ,a complete-40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:41 AM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 I've recently ordered my Firefly from Travis and the mz201 engine and get t hem both in a few weeks. I'm planning on swinging somewhere around a 60-62" Tennessee wooden prop - I don't quite know the pitch yet - call Steve at T N props - (931) 455-4516 for Qs. The belt reduc is 1.77:1. The prop therefore swings around 2,650 rpm at the mz201's 4,700 max rpm. I opted for a single ignition magneto version of th e mz201 (lighter!). A battery will still be needed if I want to take advant age of the elec start. - Phil H. --- On Mon, 11/21/11, william sullivan wrote: From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 - Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not?- And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ FS 447 --- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis wrote: From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my r udder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start , reduction, muffler ,a complete-40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should? Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:29 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris- =0APS I was just dreaming about fl ying a rocket like i remember my KXP=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AG lider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AFrom: william sullivan =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:08 PM=0ASubje ct: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201=0A=0A- Chris- The original Firestar got away wi th a Rotax 377, so why not?- And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that - the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.=0A=0A------------- ------------------------- ------------------ Bill Sullivan=0A- ------------------------- ------------------------- ----- Windsor Locks, Ct.=0A------------ ------------------------- ------------------- FS 447=0A=0A--- O n Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: ch ris davis =0A>Subject: Kolb-List: Mz 201=0A>To: "kolb- list@matronics.com" =0A>Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 11:57 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to pu t hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete-40 hp engine ri g that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough pro p on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?=0A>Chris DavisKXP 503 49 ad, 7-Day ======= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:59 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Phil That sounds great I must admit that it was-your discussion with Tom Stephens that got me interested- , that and the fact that to stay legal w eight wise I will have a problem with the 447 that it was designed with .Yo ur plan sounds real good I hope it works out great .My firefly is on the ge ar but naked and a long way from flying , it is in Florida and I am in Ma. Only get to work on it when I go south in the winter which I dont know if i can afford this year . I am trying to sell the place I have down there and rebuild my shop here in Ma. we will see . thanks for the come back- mayb e someone who has one flying will answer my post and we will all be able to learn-------Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGl ider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A_________________ _______________=0AFrom: Phil =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics .com =0ASent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201=0A=0AI've recently ordered my Firefly from Travis and the mz201 engi ne and get them both in a few weeks. I'm planning on swinging somewhere aro und a 60-62" Tennessee wooden prop - I don't quite know the pitch yet - cal l Steve at TN props - (931) 455-4516 for Qs.=0AThe belt reduc is 1.77:1. Th e prop therefore swings around 2,650 rpm at the mz201's 4,700 max rpm. I op ted for a single ignition magneto version of the mz201 (lighter!). A batter y will still be needed if I want to take advantage of the elec start.=0A=0A Phil H.--- On Mon, 11/21/11, william sullivan wr ote:=0A=0A>From: william sullivan =0A>Subject: Re : Kolb-List: Mz 201=0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Monday, Novembe r 21, 2011, 12:08 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>- Chris- The original Firestar got away w ith a Rotax 377, so why not?- And Jack Hart is using one smaller than tha t- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp.=0A>=0A>------------ ------------------------- ------------------- Bill Sullivan=0A> ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Windsor Locks, Ct.=0A>----------- ------------------------- -------------------- FS 447=0A>=0A> --- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>> From: chris davis =0A>>Subject: Kolb-List: Mz 201=0A>> ovember 21, 2011, 11:57 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 20 1 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter an d I need to put hand controls on for my rudder as i cant use my feet , t,he y claim 69 lbs including electric start ,reduction, muffler ,a complete-4 0 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should?=0A>>Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly =0A>o llow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com/" rel=nofollow target=_bla nk>www.buildersbooks.comofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=nofollow ta rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listet=_blank>ht tp://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/c ======= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:55 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP Chris D/Folks: If I was going to build and fly a Firefly, I'd put a 503 single carb on it. The 503 is probably the most reliable Rotax two stroke. I have flown the FF quite a bit with the 447. It performs about like my original Firestar with a 447. I wouldn't want anything less than a 447 on a FS. Most of us fly for the fun of flying, performance and that mighty Kolb climb. If you under power your airplane, it ain't going to fly for a Kolb. Some folks fly to say on gas with the very minimum HP they can get by with to get the Kolb off the ground. If you go light on power, you'll be flying behind the power curve more than yanking and banking and having a good time. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:56 AM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Chris, I've yet to hear of anyone with the mz201 on ANY Kolb yet speak up, although I'm aware of mz201/202s on trikes, gyros, etc. Steve at TN Props says they can adjust the pitch if needed. He said they ca n do this once to the wooden props, and that he does it often. I'm favoring the TN prop because of the savings in cost (1/2!) and weight. Phil --- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis wrote: From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Phil That sounds great I must admit that it was-your discussion with Tom Stephens that got me interested- , that and the fact that to stay legal w eight wise I will have a problem with the 447 that it was designed with .Yo ur plan sounds real good I hope it works out great .My firefly is on the ge ar but naked and a long way from flying , it is in Florida and I am in Ma. Only get to work on it when I go south in the winter which I dont know if i can afford this year . I am trying to sell the place I have down there and rebuild my shop here in Ma. we will see . thanks for the come back- mayb e someone who has one flying will answer my post and we will all be able to learn-------Chris - Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly From: Phil Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 I've recently ordered my Firefly from Travis and the mz201 engine and get t hem both in a few weeks. I'm planning on swinging somewhere around a 60-62" Tennessee wooden prop - I don't quite know the pitch yet - call Steve at T N props - (931) 455-4516 for Qs. The belt reduc is 1.77:1. The prop therefore swings around 2,650 rpm at the mz201's 4,700 max rpm. I opted for a single ignition magneto version of th e mz201 (lighter!). A battery will still be needed if I want to take advant age of the elec start. - Phil H. --- On Mon, 11/21/11, william sullivan w rote: From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 - Chris- The original Firestar got away with a Rotax 377, so why not?- And Jack Hart is using one smaller than that- the MZ 34, rated for 30hp. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------- ------ FS 447 --- On Mon, 11/21/11, chris davis wrote: From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Kolbers , Has anyone used an MZ 201 on a Kolb I was thinking about it for a Firefly as it would be lighter and I need to put hand controls on for my r udder as i cant use my feet , t,hey claim 69 lbs including electric start , reduction, muffler ,a complete-40 hp engine rig that only turns 4700 rpm ? that makes me wonder if I could get enough prop on it to make that thing fly like a Kolb should? Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefl y ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ="http://www.aeroelectric.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.aeroel ectric.com /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com f="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.home builthelp.com k>Dralle, List Admin. ark>Un/Subscription, more: k>Dralle, List Admin. llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:34 PM PST US From: Renee Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 I must say listening to John's alaska story about ten years ago is part of what excited me about kolbs. My personal view though is that a 503 is more than neccessary on a true firefly. I had a firestar kxp 10 years ago, empty weight about 310 w ith brs. With the 377, 35 horse, i still climbed at 700-800 and cruised at 70-75. Just didnt see the need for a 503, 447 might have been cool for it. Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Nov 21, 2011, at 11:37 AM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > > > Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris > > PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP > > > > Chris D/Folks: > > If I was going to build and fly a Firefly, I'd put a 503 single carb on it . The 503 is probably the most reliable Rotax two stroke. > > I have flown the FF quite a bit with the 447. It performs about like my o riginal Firestar with a 447. I wouldn't want anything less than a 447 on a FS. > > Most of us fly for the fun of flying, performance and that mighty Kolb cli mb. If you under power your airplane, it ain't going to fly for a Kolb. > > Some folks fly to say on gas with the very minimum HP they can get by with to get the Kolb off the ground. If you go light on power, you'll be flying behind the power curve more than yanking and banking and having a good time .. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:53 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 John , because of the dual ignition and the fact that I never had any troub le with mine the 503 was my choice but "KOLB" told me the airframe would no t take the vibration of the 503 with out reinforcements- it would shake t hat ultralight chromemoly apart so I settled on the 447 , then came the wei ght factor of my "adaptive equipment "and the MZ201 seamed like it might be the answer 45 HP and 20 lbs less weight. Im considering all possibilities. -- Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisable d from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr om: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent : Monday, November 21, 2011 2:37 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Mz 201=0A=0A =0A-=0ABill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris- =0APS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP=0A-=0AChris D/Folks:=0A- =0AIf I was going to build and fly a Firefly, I'd put a 503 single carb on it.- The 503 is probably the most reliable Rotax two stroke.=0A-=0AI ha ve flown the FF quite a bit with the 447.- It performs about like my orig inal Firestar with a 447.- I wouldn't want anything less than a 447 on a FS.=0A-=0AMost of us fly for the fun of flying, performance and that migh ty Kolb climb.- If you under power your airplane, it ain't going to fly f or a Kolb.=0A-=0ASome folks fly to say on gas with the very minimum HP th ey can get by with to get the Kolb off the ground. -If you go light on po wer, you'll be flying behind the power curve more than yanking and banking chive Search & Download, 7-Day ======= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:45 PM PST US From: Phil Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 Agree - my Twinstar had a 503 single carb with a TN wood prop and it climbe d around 1,500fpm and flew like a scared bat. With two 235 lb.-people, it still climbed around 800fpm (guessing on that one). - Phil H. --- On Mon, 11/21/11, Renee wrote: From: Renee Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mz 201 I must say listening to John's alaska story about ten years ago is- part of what excited me about kolbs. -My personal view though is that a 503 is more than neccessary on -a true firefly. I had a firestar kxp 10 years ago, empty weight about 31 0 with brs.- With the 377, 35 horse, i still climbed at 700-800 and cruised at 70-75.- Just didnt see the need for a 503, 447 might have been cool for it.- Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Nov 21, 2011, at 11:37 AM, "John Hauck" wrote: - Bill I understand all the numbers but real experiance is all I was looking for ? thanks for the comeback . Chris- PS I was just dreaming about flying a rocket like i remember my KXP -Chr is D/Folks: -If I was going to build and fly a Firefly, I'd put a 503 sin gle carb on it.- The 503 is probably the most reliable Rotax two stroke. -I have flown the FF quite a bit with the 447.- It performs about like my original Firestar with a 447.- I wouldn't want anything less than a 44 7 on a FS. -Most of us fly for the fun of flying, performance and that mi ghty Kolb climb.- If you under power your airplane, it ain't going to fly for a Kolb. -Some folks fly to say on gas with the very minimum HP they can get by with to get the Kolb off the ground. -If you go light on power , you'll be flying behind the power curve more than yanking and banking and having a good time. -john hmkIIITitus, Alabama - ========= http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ========= ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Kolb-List ========= ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.