---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/30/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: Some success at last (Pat Ladd) 2. 04:02 PM - Primer Kit Installed (Dennis Thate) 3. 06:14 PM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (SS568) 4. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (John Hauck) 5. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (b young) 6. 09:27 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (John Hauck) 7. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (b young) 8. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (Arksey@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:55 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48 of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year. Please read them over and see if you don't agree. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. 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You provide a great resource. David M. You have probably saved a few necks over the years. Robert F. Thank you for being there. Benjamin B. You perform a great service. Bruce M. Thank you for providing this invaluable resource. William D. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:35 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Some success at last Now I'm trying to get the radio noise eliminated!>> Let the list know how you get on with that. Please Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:53 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Primer Kit Installed From: "Dennis Thate" 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar [Arrow] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359948#359948 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03384_458.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03388_199.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Kit Installed From: "SS568" Hi Dennis, Was your 503 hard to start? Does it also have a choke? Thanks, David d. -------- Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359955#359955 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:20 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Kit Installed Was your 503 hard to start? Does it also have a choke? Thanks, David d. David D/Kolbers: Don't think the 503 has choke, but an enricher. The enricher does primarily the same thing a primer does, shoots a rich load of fuel into the intake. There is an enricher jet and an enricher well built into the float bowl of the Bing carb. With the throttle closed and enricher pulled full on, the idle circuit is bypassed. As soon as the engine turns over, the contents of the enricher well are sucked into the engine and the engine will operate at a richer mixture through the enricher jet. If the throttle is not closed, the charge in the enricher well will not be sucked into the engine. If you don't read the operators manual and use the proper procedure the 503 will be difficult to start without a primer in cold weather. However, do it correctly, and she will crank every time. Bing uses the same basic enricher system for all the Rotax two strokes and four strokes. Personally, I don't want any fuel lines routed into the cockpit. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:00 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Kit Installed If you don't read the operators manual and use the proper procedure the 503 will be difficult to start without a primer in cold weather. However, do it correctly, and she will crank every time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. another thing that helps in cold weather. I pull the enrichener and close the throttle,,,, then when I do a walk around,,, I hand prop a few blades... that will empty the enrichener bowl into the manifold and cylinders. when I get in and start the engine,,, I get a second burst of fuel, and with everything primed, it starts up extremely quick. the other thing that helps is make sure the plugs are gaped properly. boyd ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:42 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Kit Installed another thing that helps in cold weather. I pull the enrichener and close the throttle,,,, then when I do a walk around,,, I hand prop a few blades... that will empty the enrichener bowl into the manifold and cylinders. when I get in and start the engine,,, I get a second burst of fuel, and with everything primed, it starts up extremely quick. the other thing that helps is make sure the plugs are gaped properly. boyd Boyd Y/Kolbers: That is a good idea. Glad you shared that with us. On my 912ULS, if I have a problem starting in cold weather, and so far I have not had a problem starting with the enricher well below freezing, I could wait a few seconds with the electric boost pump on to refill the bowl and the enricher well, then hit it again to attempt to start. It is better to go to close with the spark plug gap than what the book calls for, or to wide. The 912ULS calls for .028". I gap for .020 to .025". If the gap gets too big, it will not fire across them at start up, although it will run just fine if you luck up and get it started. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - 28F and dropping. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:50 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Kit Installed another thing that helps in cold weather. I pull the enrichener and close the throttle,,,, then when I do a walk around,,, I hand prop a few blades... that will empty the enrichener bowl into the manifold and cylinders. when I get in and start the engine,,, I get a second burst of fuel, and with everything primed, it starts up extremely quick. the other thing that helps is make sure the plugs are gaped properly. boyd maybe I should explain,,, when I say I pull a few blades... make sure the ignition switches are off,,, I stand behind the prop arc, then I put my left hand on the descending blade, and my right hand on the ascending blade,,, and when I pull it through I do it as quickly as I can,,, I usually get 3 and sometimes 4 compression per pull. I have used this method to start the engine when the battery was dead. boyd y ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:25 PM PST US From: Arksey@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer Kit Installed my firestar with the 503 now starts very good with a pull starter...some people convinced me to do away with the enricher and use a primer which I did...the 503 starts the first pull when primed correctly....and I keep it running at times with the primer until it is warmed up...however my original problem with starting in the beginning was bad plug wires and carbs not set up right. I now I sort of think that with everything correct the enrichers should do the job and have some advantages...for what it is worth....jim swan just put the firestar away for the winter.....lots of snow up here now... another thought I suspect the enricher may need maintence more often for proper seal if used... Jim Swan Kolb Firestar ll, 503 Rotax , 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 ph 517-663-8488 GPS GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825 In a message dated 12/1/2011 12:27:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" another thing that helps in cold weather. I pull the enrichener and close the throttle,,,, then when I do a walk around,,, I hand prop a few blades... that will empty the enrichener bowl into the manifold and cylinders. when I get in and start the engine,,, I get a second burst of fuel, and with everything primed, it starts up extremely quick. the other thing that helps is make sure the plugs are gaped properly. boyd Boyd Y/Kolbers: That is a good idea. Glad you shared that with us. On my 912ULS, if I have a problem starting in cold weather, and so far I have not had a problem starting with the enricher well below freezing, I could wait a few seconds with the electric boost pump on to refill the bowl and the enricher well, then hit it again to attempt to start. It is better to go to close with the spark plug gap than what the book calls for, or to wide. The 912ULS calls for .028". I gap for .020 to .025". If the gap gets too big, it will not fire across them at start up, although it will run just fine if you luck up and get it started. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - 28F and dropping. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.