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1. 12:31 AM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (JC Gilpin)
2. 03:54 AM - 912 carb parts (Ted Cowan)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (SS568)
4. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (Michael Welch)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (b young)
6. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (Richard Girard)
7. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (Richard Girard)
8. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (Jack)
9. 04:03 PM - 2011 and Christmas lights to music on the Kolb again ! (twoplanekid)
10. 04:24 PM - Re: 2011 and Christmas lights to music on the Kolb again ! (John Hauck)
11. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Primer Kit Installed (kinne russ)
12. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/28/11 (Gary Aman)
13. 07:01 PM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (Jack B. Hart)
14. 07:23 PM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (John Hauck)
15. 07:41 PM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (David Kulp)
16. 07:52 PM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (John Hauck)
17. 08:23 PM - Re: Primer Kit Installed (David Kulp)
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
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<...If the throttle is not closed, the charge in the enricher well will not
be sucked into the engine....>
Boy, isn't that the truth!
How many times have you seen someone can't get a Rotax 2-stroke to start
until you insist that they hold the throttle completely closed, then it
fires next pull.....
JG
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Howdy everyone. Been lurking and learning. Have a need for some 912 carb
parts. Friend is mounting a 912 from a Pelican (which was sold by Kolb) and
is in need of the parts that hold the throttle cables, two (left and right)
plates, the little right angle tube for the cable and the nuts and bolts and
stuff that hold the other cable. The Pelican was a tractor and is being
mounted on a pusher, old Mk III and he is in dire needs for these parts. Of
course. Was hoping someone had a generous heart and was willing to help
this guy out. Thanks. Ted Cowan, 912 UL zoom zoom
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
While we are on this starting issues.
If I have a balky starting engine on any of my gadgets. Chain saws, weed eater,
tractor etc. I do not wear out the starter nor pull the cord out by the roots.
Just a small shot of starter fluid or raw gas.
Therefore just a question. Do you use starting fluid on your airplane engine?
I have not and probably will not. But I have not seen this mentioned on any of
the forums.
David d.
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
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> Therefore just a question. Do you use starting fluid on your airplane engine?
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> Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
Starting fluid has NO place anywhere near an airplane engine, unless you are going
to wash
parts in it (ether). Starting fluid places a tremendous strain on an engine, and
there is NO
way you can determine how much strain you are actually doing to it.
If you have to depend on starting fluid to get an airplane motor running, then
the fuel
delivery system is not set up correctly, or at least the choke/primer is NOT correct.
Keep the starting fluid around for your tractor. Keep it away from an airplane.
Just my opinion.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Therefore just a question. Do you use starting fluid on your airplane
engine?
I have not and probably will not. But I have not seen this mentioned on any
of the forums.
David d.
>>>>>>>>>>>..
No,,,, i dont own a can of starting fluid... ive heard of people blowing
head gaskets using the stuff.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Mike, I'll take the alternate view. I use starting fluid on any bulky
starting engine regardless of what it powers, BUT, I only fog it around the
aircleaner or, if the intake tract is restrictive, I'll pull the air
cleaner cap and fog it, then close up and start. The key is using good
sense. If you spray down the carb throat and wash the oil off the cylinders
you deserve the damage you'll get. As with most things in life, moderation
is the key.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>wrote:
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> >
> > Therefore just a question. Do you use starting fluid on your airplane
> engine?
> > --------
> > Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
>
>
> Starting fluid has NO place anywhere near an airplane engine, unless you
> are going to wash
> parts in it (ether). Starting fluid places a tremendous strain on an
> engine, and there is NO
> way you can determine how much strain you are actually doing to it.
>
> If you have to depend on starting fluid to get an airplane motor running,
> then the fuel
> delivery system is not set up correctly, or at least the choke/primer is
> NOT correct.
>
> Keep the starting fluid around for your tractor. Keep it away from an
> airplane. Just my opinion.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Before I peeled off the left landing gear of dear old Zulu Delta, I had a
chance to test which works best, primer or starting carbs (enrichners, but
they really are small separate carb that only work when the throttle is
completely closed as noted). Whereever my 582 ends up, most probably on my
old Firestar, it's will have enrichners and no primer. Ken's 582 starts
much easier than mine, especially in cold weather.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:12 PM, SS568 <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote:
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> Hi Dennis,
>
> Was your 503 hard to start?
>
> Does it also have a choke?
>
> Thanks,
> David d.
>
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> Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359955#359955
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
On 12/1/2011 4:40 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Before I peeled off the left landing gear of dear old Zulu Delta, I
> had a chance to test which works best, primer or starting carbs
> (enrichners, but they really are small separate carb that only work
> when the throttle is completely closed as noted). Whereever my 582
> ends up, most probably on my old Firestar, it's will have enrichners
> and no primer. Ken's 582 starts much easier than mine, especially in
> cold weather.
>
>
A side note to using the primer with an oil injection engine
is your probably shooting raw gas into the cylinders at start up. I
don't know if this little bit of raw gas will hurt any thing or not, but
might be something to think about. Anybody know the answer?
Jack Carillon Akron Oh. FS II
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| Subject: | 2011 and Christmas lights to music on the Kolb again ! |
For this year, I have added a Christmas tree rotating beacon (military field -
blue and white) to honor all veterans
http://vimeo.com/32912245
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| Subject: | 2011 and Christmas lights to music on the Kolb again ! |
For this year, I have added a Christmas tree rotating beacon (military field
- blue and white) to honor all veterans
http://vimeo.com/32912245
Thanks.
Merry Xmas, Kolbers!!!
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Mike, I agree completely. I've seen a generator's camshaft broken by use of ether.
I do use it, but only on a cheapie leaf-blower that was wearing out my right
shoulder -- if it dies, no big deal.
NOT for any aircraft engine use.
Russ K
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michael Welch wrote:
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>>
>> Therefore just a question. Do you use starting fluid on your airplane engine?
>> --------
>> Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
>
>
> Starting fluid has NO place anywhere near an airplane engine, unless you are
going to wash
> parts in it (ether). Starting fluid places a tremendous strain on an engine,
and there is NO
> way you can determine how much strain you are actually doing to it.
>
> If you have to depend on starting fluid to get an airplane motor running, then
the fuel
> delivery system is not set up correctly, or at least the choke/primer is NOT
correct.
>
> Keep the starting fluid around for your tractor. Keep it away from an airplane.
Just my opinion.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/28/11 |
Boyd,
I moved the throttle from the center to the left side right after I bought
the MK3.That left me the center mounting pivot for the old throttle availab
le for a rudder trim system handle.I used a copper bug nut to clamp a cable
to the rudder cable then to a spring attached to a newly fabricated handle
that allowed me to apply tension on that cable for trim adjustments.It wor
ked but I went back to a fixed tab because it always needed the same amount
of trim at cruise.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:49 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/28/11
My trim tab is not big enough, so I am pushing with the left foot no matter
what
I do. Winter project: new trim tab.
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Richard Pike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i have mentioned this before so someone and they replied they would rather
have a trim tab,,,, but my mkiii has springs that pull the rudder pedals
forward,,, just put more tension or a bit heavier spring on the left
peddle. that way you don't have to install a tab, down side,,, when
parked the rudder will be slightly deflected when sitting on the ramp.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Kolbers,
When the FireFly was pushed around by the Rotax 447, I used the enricher to
get it started. It was a pain in that in cold weather, it took too many
pulls to get the engine started. Even though I pumped the carb bowl full of
gas, a few times, I pushed the FireFly back in the hangar because I could
not get it started. After reading up about the engine, I found that the 447
spark jumps both plugs at the same time. I re gapped the plug to a lesser
gap and things improved.
When I changed to the Victor 1+, I had the same carburetor, a Bing. I
mounted a push bulb on the float bowl. While the FireFly was in the hangar,
I would open the valve, squeeze the press bulb two times, close the valve,
and then pull the propeller through two compressions. Then I would pull the
plane out of the hangar, get into my gear and into the cockpit. By priming
early, it gives the gas plenty of time to vaporize inside the crank case and
the cylinder. Never fail, the engine would fire up on the first or second
turn of the crank. The nice thing about this primer installation is that
there are no long connecting tubes to the cockpit.
With the MZ 34, I installed the same system on the Tillotson carburetor.
This time I used a ready made push bulb rather than one scavenged from a
dead weed wacker. The start process is the same as described above, and the
engine fires the first time over.
If you would like to see these setups the Bing primer may be found at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly89.html
And the Tillotson at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
I do not believe there is any need for concern about shooting enough gas to
prime an oil injected engine. The amount is quite minuscule. Also, when I
tore down the 447 and the Victor 1+, I was amazed as to how much oil was
inside the engine.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Primer Kit Installed |
Also, when I tore down the 447 and the Victor 1+, I was amazed as to how
much oil was inside the engine.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack H/Kolbers:
Got to turn the engines to clear the crankcases.
Low rpm's on a two stroke is murder on them. They like to turn.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Kolbers,
I generally allow my FF to idle for a minute or two after landing to
cool it down. Is this counter-productive? I like my engine and want to
treat it with as much kindness as I can.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
On 12/1/2011 10:21 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"<jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> Also, when I tore down the 447 and the Victor 1+, I was amazed as to how
> much oil was inside the engine.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
>
>
> Jack H/Kolbers:
>
> Got to turn the engines to clear the crankcases.
>
> Low rpm's on a two stroke is murder on them. They like to turn.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Primer Kit Installed |
I generally allow my FF to idle for a minute or two after landing to cool it
down. Is this counter-productive? I like my engine and want to treat it
with as much kindness as I can.
Dave Kulp
Dave K/Kolbers:
Engine has probably cooled down during decent and taxi to tie down.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Primer Kit Installed |
Good to know. Thanks, John.
Dave
On 12/1/2011 10:50 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck"<jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> I generally allow my FF to idle for a minute or two after landing to cool it
> down. Is this counter-productive? I like my engine and want to treat it
> with as much kindness as I can.
>
> Dave Kulp
>
>
> Dave K/Kolbers:
>
> Engine has probably cooled down during decent and taxi to tie down.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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