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1. 03:42 AM - Re: Re: smoke (Dana Hague)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: Mz 201 (chris davis)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Mz 201 (Phil)
4. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Mz 201 (chris davis)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: smoke (cristalclear13)
6. 01:35 PM - Re: smoke (Richard Pike)
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At 10:32 PM 12/15/2011, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>...Then of course the next question would be to have a speed dial for the
>emergency services people that would be making the 2 hour drive to get to
>where they thought I had gone down...
Ah, but just think... when you make that off airport landing just for fun
somewhere you're not supposed to, you can always make the excuse of engine
trouble more believable... :)
-Dana
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Phill ,Got an email from Leon at the MZ factory . He says that in order to
have the fan cooling that thepullstart has to be removed and the weight gai
n would be 1 to 2 lbs, he is going to give me a final weight for the engine
with dual cdi and belt reduction and the Price later today I think .=0A-
-- 1 to 2 lbs for the safe.cooling of a $5000 engine is a minor weight
-=0AIm sorry to ask but I have lost track of who has-gain in my opinion
=0A-,Is- it your engine they have in the Kolb shop It would be interes
ting to see what Bryan says. Chris=0A-=0A-=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492
hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0AFrom: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@m
atronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM=0ASubject: Re: K
olb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A=0AIt is suggested that the 202 needs the fan, but n
ot the 201. Time will tell. Let us know what the reply to your inquiry is.
=0A=0APhil H.--- On Thu, 12/15/11, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A=0A>From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: R
e: Mz 201=0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Thursday, December 15, 20
11, 7:15 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>Phil , Did you happen to ask what the weight of the
fan cooling system would be?I am Only concerned Bryan at Kolb was worried a
bout cooling .- Why not take off the pullstart and add the fan cooling I
think that would be a even trade. I am going to Email the factory and ask t
he questiion tonight. I will let you know as soon as I get an answer Chris
=0A>Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Fire
fly--- On Thu, 12/15/11, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>>From: Phi
l <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0A>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>To: kolb-
list@matronics.com=0A>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 1:39 PM=0A>>=0A>>
=0A>>I decided on the mz201 for my Firefly. I only know what I've studied o
nline about Simonini, Hirth, Rotax (used to own a 503 on my past Twinstar),
and the mz line. I will know a lot more once I get my Firefly built and st
art running my mz201 on it (in the Spring).=0A>>My mz201 weighs in at 75lbs
total fly-weight without the mounting plates and h/w for the engine and ex
haust system, but including everything else; belt reduc, air filter, carb,
muffler, elec and pull starters, all ignition components (harness, dual CDI
, dual plugs). I thought it would weigh a few pounds less, but as far as I
can tell, this is still 15-19 lbs less than the 447, with 4-5 HP more.=0A>>
Phil H.--- On Thu, 12/15/11, FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>
>From: FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com>=0A>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A
>>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 12:3
ms@aol.com>:D Ok guys and gals- ya'all got me thinking.... I know next to
nothing about the MZ engines and have been seriously considering a re-powe
r of my DCDI-503 powered FSII simply because the engine has very near 300 h
ours TT.- NOW,- when I posted that I was considering a Hirth some of yo
u got all abrasive [Rolling Eyes]---Is, in your opinion, the MZ a bet
ter/same/worse choice than the Hirth?- Or do you die hard Rotax folks thi
nk I am simply better off having the 503 rebuilt and sticking with what I h
ave??? :?---I am not trying to rock the boat again just wondering how
the MZ compares to the Hirth and the Rotax?--------Low and Slow FireStar I
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1 to 2 extra lbs sounds about right. Let us know what you find out about th
e total weight and price.
-
Phil H.
--- On Fri, 12/16/11, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
Phill ,Got an email from Leon at the MZ factory . He says that in order to
have the fan cooling that thepullstart has to be removed and the weight gai
n would be 1 to 2 lbs, he is going to give me a final weight for the engine
with dual cdi and belt reduction and the Price later today I think .
--- 1 to 2 lbs for the safe.cooling of a $5000 engine is a minor weig
ht-
Im sorry to ask but I have lost track of who has-gain in my opinion
-,Is- it your engine they have in the Kolb shop It would be interesting
to see what Bryan says. Chris
-
-
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
It is suggested that the 202 needs the fan, but not the 201. Time will tell
. Let us know what the reply to your inquiry is.
-
Phil H. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
Phil , Did you happen to ask what the weight of the fan cooling system woul
d be?I am Only concerned Bryan at Kolb was worried about cooling .- Why n
ot take off the pullstart and add the fan cooling I think that would be a e
ven trade. I am going to Email the factory and ask the questiion tonight. I
will let you know as soon as I get an answer Chris
Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firef
ly --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
I decided on the mz201 for my Firefly. I only know what I've studied online
about Simonini, Hirth, Rotax (used to own a 503 on my past Twinstar), and
the mz line. I will know a lot more once I get my Firefly built and start r
unning my mz201 on it (in the Spring).
My mz201 weighs in at 75lbs total fly-weight without the mounting plates an
d h/w for the engine and exhaust system, but including everything else; bel
t reduc, air filter, carb, muffler, elec and pull starters, all ignition co
mponents (harness, dual CDI, dual plugs). I thought it would weigh a few po
unds less, but as far as I can tell, this is still 15-19 lbs less than the
447, with 4-5 HP more.
Phil H. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com> wrote:
From: FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
and gals- ya'all got me thinking.... I know next to nothing about the MZ
engines and have been seriously considering a re-power of my DCDI-503 powe
red FSII simply because the engine has very near 300 hours TT.- NOW,- w
hen I posted that I was considering a Hirth some of you got all abrasive [R
olling Eyes]---Is, in your opinion, the MZ a better/same/worse choice
than the Hirth?- Or do you die hard Rotax folks think I am simply better
off having the 503 rebuilt and sticking with what I have??? :?---I a
m not trying to rock the boat again just wondering how the MZ compares to t
he Hirth and the Rotax? -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic o
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Phil, Will do . Sorry about the sentence screwup on my last post but I gues
s you got the point .
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
--- On Fri, 12/16/11, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
1 to 2 extra lbs sounds about right. Let us know what you find out about th
e total weight and price.
-
Phil H.
--- On Fri, 12/16/11, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
Phill ,Got an email from Leon at the MZ factory . He says that in order to
have the fan cooling that thepullstart has to be removed and the weight gai
n would be 1 to 2 lbs, he is going to give me a final weight for the engine
with dual cdi and belt reduction and the Price later today I think .
--- 1 to 2 lbs for the safe.cooling of a $5000 engine is a minor weig
ht-
Im sorry to ask but I have lost track of who has-gain in my opinion
-,Is- it your engine they have in the Kolb shop It would be interesting
to see what Bryan says. Chris
-
-
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
It is suggested that the 202 needs the fan, but not the 201. Time will tell
. Let us know what the reply to your inquiry is.
-
Phil H. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
Phil , Did you happen to ask what the weight of the fan cooling system woul
d be?I am Only concerned Bryan at Kolb was worried about cooling .- Why n
ot take off the pullstart and add the fan cooling I think that would be a e
ven trade. I am going to Email the factory and ask the questiion tonight. I
will let you know as soon as I get an answer Chris
Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firef
ly --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
I decided on the mz201 for my Firefly. I only know what I've studied online
about Simonini, Hirth, Rotax (used to own a 503 on my past Twinstar), and
the mz line. I will know a lot more once I get my Firefly built and start r
unning my mz201 on it (in the Spring).
My mz201 weighs in at 75lbs total fly-weight without the mounting plates an
d h/w for the engine and exhaust system, but including everything else; bel
t reduc, air filter, carb, muffler, elec and pull starters, all ignition co
mponents (harness, dual CDI, dual plugs). I thought it would weigh a few po
unds less, but as far as I can tell, this is still 15-19 lbs less than the
447, with 4-5 HP more.
Phil H. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com> wrote:
From: FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
and gals- ya'all got me thinking.... I know next to nothing about the MZ
engines and have been seriously considering a re-power of my DCDI-503 powe
red FSII simply because the engine has very near 300 hours TT.- NOW,- w
hen I posted that I was considering a Hirth some of you got all abrasive [R
olling Eyes]---Is, in your opinion, the MZ a better/same/worse choice
than the Hirth?- Or do you die hard Rotax folks think I am simply better
off having the 503 rebuilt and sticking with what I have??? :?---I a
m not trying to rock the boat again just wondering how the MZ compares to t
he Hirth and the Rotax? -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic o
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lcottrell wrote:
> I find all of this conversation about having a smoke system on a Kolb to be very
interesting. I can just picture me flying down the Owyhee Canyon leaving a
smoke trail or actually more realistically, enveloped in a cloud of smoke. Mine
doesn't fly so fast that I might be able to be able to actually see the landscape.
Then of course the next question would be to have a speed dial for the
emergency services people that would be making the 2 hour drive to get to where
they thought I had gone down. Then of course there is always the question of
the artistic value of a straight line of smoke, or if I get really frisky and
throw a couple of left and right turns in there to spice it up. I can just imagine
the oohs and aaws of the local population when I lumber by stinking up
the landscape, and getting the whole rear end of my lovely little Firestar greased
up. Then again perhaps the bullshit might slide off a little easier.
> Larry
>
>
Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> That brings back memories - When the Hummer had the smoke system, we had a supervisor
at the tower who was a real ding-dong. If it was on a weekend when the
races were running at Bristol, I would fly over the track at altitude, put
the smoke on, and then descend and disappear behind the next ridge over, knowing
that Milt the Moron was getting bombarded by people calling the tower telling
him that they thought they had seen a plane go down.
>
> That was before I started preaching - now I don't get to do that stuff anymore;
I have to behave.
Oh, you guys are really funny and all I can do is laugh when reading the scenarios
you are describing. Sure, smash a girl's dream of writing "I love you" or
"Happy Birthday" in the sky. Ok, forget smoke...how about a big bubble machine?
Can you picture me flying overhead leaving a trail of nice big bubbles to
entertain the kids? Ok, maybe I've been watching too many Disney movies. ;)
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007
Private Pilot Aug 2008
ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008
Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009
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cristalclear13 wrote:
>
>
> Oh, you guys are really funny and all I can do is laugh when reading the scenarios
you are describing. Sure, smash a girl's dream of writing "I love you"
or "Happy Birthday" in the sky. Ok, forget smoke...how about a big bubble machine?
Can you picture me flying overhead leaving a trail of nice big bubbles
to entertain the kids? Ok, maybe I've been watching too many Disney movies. ;)
If you still have or can mooch an old Playstation 2 system, pick up a copy of "Sky
Odyssey" - they are cheap now days - and one of the things you can do is practice
skywriting. You have to maintain altitude and be able to visualize where
you are relative to where you have been. It is initially very difficult, but
after a while it starts to make sense, and it is surprisingly realistic - or
so it seemed to me. Give it a shot.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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