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Thu 01/05/12


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 12:44 PM - Re: Rotax ends production of the 503 ?? (stogie6)
     2. 01:27 PM - Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (t41pilot)
     3. 01:55 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (Michael Welch)
     4. 02:03 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (HShack@aol.com)
     5. 02:21 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (kinne russ)
     6. 02:29 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (Richard Girard)
     7. 02:39 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (b young)
     8. 02:53 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (t41pilot)
     9. 03:15 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (Charlie England)
    10. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (Michael Welch)
    11. 06:17 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (t41pilot)
    12. 06:18 PM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (t41pilot)
    13. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (HShack@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:44:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rotax ends production of the 503 ??
    From: "stogie6" <djones@fisherarnold.com>
    What about parts availability? My guess is that we will still be able to get parts and service for our 503s. I am new to this sport and still have tons to learn - but getting there! -------- David F. Jones Kolb KXP N71RB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362505#362505


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    Time: 01:27:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    From: "t41pilot" <t41pilot@frontier.com>
    I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362515#362515


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    Time: 01:55:59 PM PST US
    From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    Gregg, No, a threaded style isn't just a drill and tap proposition. If you were to go with a threaded style probe, you'd need to weld a "bung" on you exhaust pipe. The bung is what O2 sensors, etc, etc, screw into. I suppose if you found the right nut size, (for your probe threads),you could drill a slightly oversize probe hole, and weld on the nut. For the hassle, most people just use the drilled hole style, that uses a band clamp. The accuracy is probably within 2% of either style. Probe depth accuracy is more of a determiner of temp reading, rather than style. Mike Welch Never known for doing things the easy way. I welded on the bung for my Auber Instruments EGT probe. Wasn't the easy way, but sure is solid as h..... On Jan 5, 2012, at 3:20 PM, t41pilot wrote: > > I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362515#362515 > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:03:35 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    The manifold probably has two tapped bosses for the probe. Get the threaded probes; looks much better. In a message dated 1/5/2012 4:27:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, t41pilot@frontier.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "t41pilot" <t41pilot@frontier.com> I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362515#362515


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    Time: 02:21:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    From: kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com>
    Gregg What's the matter with the hose-clamp type of EGT sensor? I used one for over 2000 ours in a Lycoming without a bit of trouble. Easy to pull & inspect the probe at anytime with no stress on the probe. Russ K do not archive On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:20 PM, t41pilot wrote: > > I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362515#362515 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:29:21 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    I second the vote for threaded probes. Your manifold may have the bungs already, the last 447 I sold did. The hole for the hose clamp style is a great crack starter. Rick Girard On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM, <HShack@aol.com> wrote: > ** > The manifold probably has two tapped bosses for the probe. Get the > threaded probes; looks much better. > > In a message dated 1/5/2012 4:27:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > t41pilot@frontier.com writes: > > > I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax > 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring > exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there > any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the > measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would > have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the > exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the > ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362515#362515** > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 02:39:37 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly i helped a friend with a threaded one,,, and the threads were,, shall i say extremely hard to remove,,,i am sure some high temp anti seize would have been the thing to do,,,, i have the type with the hose clamp,,, 726.1 hours and still on tight, with no problems. boyd young mkiii 912


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    Time: 02:53:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    From: "t41pilot" <t41pilot@frontier.com>
    OK, I found out the exhaust manifold is already tapped at the proper locations at the factory for the probes. Would the clamp on style still use these same holes or would these holes have to be sealed and new ones drilled? -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362534#362534


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    Time: 03:15:37 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    On 01/05/2012 03:20 PM, t41pilot wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "t41pilot"<t41pilot@frontier.com> > > I'm about to order a Grand Rapids EIS model 2000 to monitor a new rotax 447. It comes standard with a hose clamp style probe for monitoring exhaust gas with a threaded one as an option at additional cost. Is there any benefit to getting the threaded one as far as accuracy of the measurement or is is it just a matter of asthetics? I'm assuming I would have to drill a hole and tap it for the threaded one. I don't have the exhaust here at the house so I don't know what it is made out of or the ease of tapping it. Any thoughts would be appreciated > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly Hi Gregg, Are you interested in a used one, minus the probes? I have an extra one that is in good working order. I'll try to make you a good deal on it. I'm walking out the door now & can't check prices, etc until after lunch tomorrow, but if you're interested, send me an email or give me a call tomorrow after 2:00 PM. Charlie


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    Time: 03:32:26 PM PST US
    From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    Gregg, No, a clamp-on style EGT probe depends of the expanded ring of the base of the probe being pressed firmly against the pipe(by the clamp)....not on top of some threaded mounting boss. Since you do the the factory threaded bosses, you're in bidness. Yes, if you were to STILL want to go with a clamp-on style, I am fairly certain you'd have to plug the existing threaded hole....and then drill the proper tight hole for the probe to insert into. But then one would ask "Why?!" If you have the threaded boss, why would you even care about how a clamp style mounts? Although many guys have had millions of hours on the clamp-on style without any bad tendencies, certainly a threaded mount is a heckava lot more solid.....and you already have the mount!! Mike On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:47 PM, t41pilot wrote: > > OK, I found out the exhaust manifold is already tapped at the proper locations at the factory for the probes. Would the clamp on style still use these same holes or would these holes have to be sealed and new ones drilled? > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362534#362534 > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:17:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    From: "t41pilot" <t41pilot@frontier.com>
    Thanks Mike..Sounds like that is the direction to go.[/quote] -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362547#362547


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    Time: 06:18:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    From: "t41pilot" <t41pilot@frontier.com>
    Thanks Mike..Sounds like that is the direction to go. > If you have the threaded boss, why would you even care about how a clamp style mounts? Although many > guys have had millions of hours on the clamp-on style without any bad tendencies, certainly a threaded mount is a > heckava lot more solid.....and you already have the mount!! > > Mike -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362548#362548


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    Time: 06:26:15 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000
    The manifold should have plugs in the bosses already from the factory. In a message dated 1/5/2012 5:53:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, t41pilot@frontier.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "t41pilot" <t41pilot@frontier.com> OK, I found out the exhaust manifold is already tapped at the proper locations at the factory for the probes. Would the clamp on style still use these same holes or would these holes have to be sealed and new ones drilled? -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362534#362534




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