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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: changes in EAA? (Pat Ladd)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: changes in EAA? (Pat Ladd)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Eugene Zimmerman)
4. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Herb Gayheart)
5. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Ron @ KFHU)
6. 09:03 AM - OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Tom O'Hara)
7. 10:11 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Tom O'Hara)
8. 02:11 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (henry.voris)
9. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (John Hauck)
10. 03:06 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Beauford)
11. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Eugene Zimmerman)
12. 06:27 PM - EAA (Richard Girard)
13. 10:02 PM - Re: Warp Drive prop (Ben Ransom)
14. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Malcolm Brubaker)
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Subject: | Re: changes in EAA? |
Once you accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is
something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy Albert Einstein
That's great.Very funny. I had not heard it before. Doesn't`t sound like
Einstein though. Any confirmation.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: changes in EAA? |
Hi,
As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental
Category in the UK.
Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association which
in the early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft.
Planes discussed were small, light, generally single seaters, probably
the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea. This continued for many
years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated and included
factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine for the
light aircraft devotee.
Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a dodgy
start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of microlight
pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne Welch, who had
been involved in the British Gliding Association since very early
gliding days realised the parallels between the development of early
microlights and early gliders. She became involved and with others
piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they ran
their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed their
own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their
own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the
Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t
interfere` was and is well established.government attitude.
Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying
Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity
over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge the two
organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to
be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive. The Light
Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater plane so is
moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest .
Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would seem
that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose motions, get
them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisation route and
change things from the inside or form your own organisation.
That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected organisation
which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, insurance
companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representation
and so on to be taken seriously.
Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight attitude
is not attractive to people who only want to build and fly. Not mess
about with `office work`
People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in the UK
but it is not easy.
Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the way
it has happened here, for what its worth
Pat
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Subject: | Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? |
Ok guys,
This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here.
What this sport actually needs is more courageous young men with the
philosophy of the young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could climb
to the top of dad's silo without any kind certificate, he could build
his own kind of plane and fly to the same height over the farm without
any kind certificate.
The late seventies and early eighties was a era when this renegade
aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, and because of
it this sport grew by leaps and bounds.
Since that time this unique sport has atrophied to its present sorry
state because timid old men have been cowed into a preoccupation of
protecting their ass-ets by seeking governmental approval for every
dream they wish to pursue.
Todays young men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing
affordable good USED ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by their
fear and disapproval of legalistic "fat" that has been the backbone
hardware of this sport since from its beginning heyday.
Rich old men have just about succeeded in killing the sport pioneered in
the U.S. by courageous young renegades espousing aviation paradigms
like Homer Kolb and others like him had back in the seventies and
eighties..
In order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous root
paradigms.
Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off.
Gene Z
On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> Hi,
> As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the
Experimental Category in the UK.
>
> Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association which
in the early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft.
Planes discussed were small, light, generally single seaters, probably
the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea. This continued for many
years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated and included
factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine for the
light aircraft devotee.
>
> Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a dodgy
start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of microlight
pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne Welch, who had
been involved in the British Gliding Association since very early
gliding days realised the parallels between the development of early
microlights and early gliders. She became involved and with others
piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they ran
their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed their
own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their
own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the
Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t
interfere` was and is well established.government attitude.
>
> Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying
Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity
over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge the two
organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to
be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive. The Light
Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater plane so is
moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest .
>
> Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would seem
that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose motions, get
them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisation route and
change things from the inside or form your own organisation.
>
> That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected
organisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the
FAA, insurance companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of
representation and so on to be taken seriously.
>
> Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight
attitude is not attractive to people who only want to build and fly. Not
mess about with `office work`
> People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in the
UK but it is not easy.
>
> Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the
way it has happened here, for what its worth
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? |
Chop! Chop!! :-) Hey....shooting the messenger is great
sport...takes little to no courage...certainly no brain....:-)
The more basic problem is with society as a whole.. One change
that I notice over the last 30 or so years..is the tendency for
everyone to want to talk and no one to listen...
Thoughtful folks will understand that all of our ills are Kolb
related... discussing the rust on the end of the barrel of a gun
that is pointed at you is folly....Herb (you may quote me on that one!! ) :-)
At 08:53 AM 1/17/2012, you wrote:
>Ok guys,
>
>This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here.
>
>What this sport actually needs is more courageous young men with
>the philosophy of the young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could
>climb to the top of dad's silo without any kind certificate, he
>could build his own kind of plane and fly to the same height over
>the farm without any kind certificate.
>
>The late seventies and early eighties was a era when this renegade
>aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, and
>because of it this sport grew by leaps and bounds.
>Since that time this unique sport has atrophied to its present sorry
>state because timid old men have been cowed into a preoccupation of
>protecting their ass-ets by seeking governmental approval for
>every dream they wish to pursue.
>Todays young men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing
>affordable good USED ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by
>their fear and disapproval of legalistic "fat" that has been the
>backbone hardware of this sport since from its beginning heyday.
>
>Rich old men have just about succeeded in killing the sport
>pioneered in the U.S. by courageous young
>renegades espousing aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb and others
>like him had back in the seventies and eighties..
>
>In order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous
>root paradigms.
>
>Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off.
>
>Gene Z
>
>
>On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the
>>Experimental Category in the UK.
>>
>>Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association
>>which in the early days promoted information and plans for light
>>aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single
>>seaters, probably the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea.
>>This continued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more
>>sophisticated and included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular
>>Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee.
>>
>>Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a
>>dodgy start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of
>>microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne
>>Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Association
>>since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the
>>development of early microlights and early gliders. She became
>>involved and with others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc.
>>into a position where they ran their own autonomous Association,
>>supplied instructors, agreed their own specifications of what a
>>microlight was, their own inspectors, their own licences for pilots
>>and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the Board of Trade and
>>CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere` was
>>and is well established.government attitude.
>>
>>Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying
>>Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight
>>fraternity over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge
>>the two organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view,
>>as I have to be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive.
>>The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater
>>plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest .
>>
>>Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would
>>seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose
>>motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper`
>>organisation route and change things from the inside or form your
>>own organisation.
>>
>>That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected
>>organisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with
>>the FAA, insurance companies etc has to be legal with a proper
>>framework of representation and so on to be taken seriously.
>>
>>Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight
>>attitude is not attractive to people who only want to build and
>>fly. Not mess about with `office work`
>>People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in
>>the UK but it is not easy.
>>
>>Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the
>>way it has happened here, for what its worth
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
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From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? |
Well
I think there is quite a few of us still around who have yet to grow up. Ultralights
are fun, hang gliding is fun, flying inside of a spam can is not fun for
me. I have never been an "organization man" like to do things my way, causes
a lot of trouble a lot of the time. But I recognize that an organization is needed
to counteract the over paid bureaucrats in DC. Having my own stinking bureaucrats
fighting the official over paid bureaucrats while I struggle to make
a buck to pay them all is a necessary evil.
Problem is my bureaucrats (AOPA and EAA) get spooled around the axle and they stop
fighting the over paid DC bureaucrats. Probably because over time they evolve
into a symbiotic relationship with one another. Solution is clean house if
possible on our side, and lobby congress to cut the budget of the FAA to near
starvation. Money is fuel for the bureaucracy, no money small bureaucracy, less
of them to mess with us.
The issue at its core is big bureaucracy little freedom, less bureaucrats more
freedom.
Ron Mason
KFHU
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---- Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com> wrote:
============
Ok guys,
This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here.
What this sport actually needs is more courageous young men with the philosophy
of the young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could climb to the top of dad's
silo without any kind certificate, he could build his own kind of plane
and fly to the same height over the farm without any kind certificate.
The late seventies and early eighties was a era when this renegade aviation paradigm
flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, and because of it this sport grew
by leaps and bounds.
Since that time this unique sport has atrophied to its present sorry state because
timid old men have been cowed into a preoccupation of protecting their ass-ets
by seeking governmental approval for every dream they wish to pursue.
Todays young men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing affordable
good USED ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by their fear and disapproval
of legalistic "fat" that has been the backbone hardware of this sport since
from its beginning heyday.
Rich old men have just about succeeded in killing the sport pioneered in the U.S.
by courageous young renegades espousing aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb
and others like him had back in the seventies and eighties..
In order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous root paradigms.
Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off.
Gene Z
On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> Hi,
> As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental Category
in the UK.
>
> Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association which in the
early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft. Planes discussed
were small, light, generally single seaters, probably the best known being
the Mignet Flying Flea. This continued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger
and more sophisticated and included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular
Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee.
>
> Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a dodgy start with
no regulation and a few deaths an Association of microlight pilots was formed
with their own magazine. Luckily Anne Welch, who had been involved in the
British Gliding Association since very early gliding days realised the parallels
between the development of early microlights and early gliders. She became
involved and with others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position
where they ran their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed
their own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their
own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the
Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere`
was and is well established.government attitude.
>
> Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying Assoc.,( now
the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity over jurisdiction
and there have been efforts to merge the two organisations. These have failed,
unfortunately in my view, as I have to be a member of both which is unnecessarily
expensive. The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater
plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest .
>
> Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would seem that you
either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose motions, get them seconded and
passed by working the `proper` organisation route and change things from the
inside or form your own organisation.
>
> That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected organisation which
can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, insurance companies
etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representation and so on to be
taken seriously.
>
> Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight attitude is not
attractive to people who only want to build and fly. Not mess about with `office
work`
> People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in the UK but it
is not easy.
>
> Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the way it has
happened here, for what its worth
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
--
kugelair.com
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Subject: | OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! |
Hit you tube at this link and see US technology at it's best (or worst-LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAoVcNifdY
Here is the commentary: Read the text before watching the video!
F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff on a carrier
This guy clearly has brass and you know the sailors on the flight deck had a cow
when they saw this unfold in front of them. Unintentional?
This is unbelievable!
F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff a real "check your laundry" event.
A supremely well-trained US Navy pilot, ice running in his veins instead of blood,
fully regains control of his $70 million, F-35 joint strike force fighter,
after a problematic vertical take-off attempt... Watch as the rear vertical thruster
fires to cause the problem.
There's nothing about this the pilot enjoys. If he could have ejected at 100'
upside down and lived, he would have. Looks like the afterburner kicks in while
still vectored for vertical takeoff. Lockheed would call this a "software malfunction"
and do a little more "regressive testing". This is a good demonstration
of power-to-weight ratio of this aircraft! And talk about stability control...
If he didn't come out of the loop wings-level, it probably would have been bad
news; maybe taking some of the carrier with him!
Add to this flying through your own exhaust, which can lead to equipment malfunctions,
as in "flame out". The F-35 is single engine aircraft with vertical takeoff/landing
capability, but it has the aerodynamics of a Steinway piano at zero
airspeed.
This is the most unbelievable piece of flying you will ever see in your life.
This Guy deserves a Medal for saving a 70 Million Dollar Aircraft!
You'll watch it at least 2 times!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364101#364101
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Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! |
OF course it might be Battlefield 2??
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364112#364112
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Subject: | Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! |
Video game...
Say you're sorry...
Not Kolb related.
--------
Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364135#364135
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Subject: | Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? |
Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off.
Gene Z
Gene Z/Kolbers:
I was overwhelmed when I finally got to go to Army Flight School at the ripe
old age of 29. I thought I would never get the chance, but I did. I loved
flying helicopters, more so in a combat environment than peace time. Didn't
have to worry too much about peace time flying because when I returned from
VN there wasn't much flying to be done by a young Army helicopter pilot.
Most everything was done by the reg with virtually no freedom of flight.
After 4 years of retirement from the Army, I missed flying but could not
afford to fly civilian aircraft. Besides, I never got a fixed wing
transition. Along comes Homer Kolb and his little Ultrastar. Bought the
kit in Feb 1984, received it in Mar and flew it the first time in June, self
educated and self taught in fixed wing flying. Never had the first lesson,
flew over 1,100.0 hours in my first two Kolbs. Got a Private Ticket in
1990, when I decided to build the MKIII and fly it to Alaska. Had to have
one then, or I would have stuck to ultra lights and no license.
My first flight was all I needed to know I had found the kind of flying I
really enjoyed. The primary reason I enjoyed ultralight was the complete
freedom I had to build, modify, and fly. And I did. I was a free bird. I
flew when and where I wanted to, and how I wanted to. May not have been in
compliance with Part 103, but I was far enough away from the flag pole not
to have to worry about the Feds.
8 Years and two Kolbs later, I find myself flying an N numbered MKIII. As
much fun as it was to fly the MKIII, having an N number and a Private Ticket
encouraged me to be more cognizant of the flying regs. I stopped taking off
and landing on taxiways because it was quicker or because they pointed into
the wind more. Stopped landing on roads and refueling at gas stations.
Stopped doing a lot of fun stuff I used to do when flying my Ultrastar and
Firestar.
I don't think anything can replace the freedom we had building and flying
our unregistered Kolbs in the 1980's. Sitting here with the rain drumming
on the tin roof of my deck, the memories of those early days are coming
back. No, we don't have as much freedom as we did back then, but it is
still a lot of fun. Maybe not quite as much fun as it used to be.
I wrote a msg about the EAA last week, but it got gobbled up somewhere out
there in cyber space. What I said very briefly is, I belong to EAA for two
reasons:
-1 I have to be a member of an EAA Chapter to buy Falcon Insurance.
-2 Can't buy Falcon Insurance unless I am an EAA member.
-3 I still like to fly down to Sun and Fun to spend time with the Kolb
Gang, and the many friends I have made in the last 28 years because of Homer
Kolb's little airplanes. Many of my friends I never see except at Lakeland
or Oshkosh. I haven't been to Oshkosh since 2007. Maybe this year if they
haven't taken all our camping privileges and freedoms away I'll fly up
there.
Well, I had three instead of two reasons.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! |
Brother O'Hara...
Not only is this off topic... and totally outside the scope of this list...
The video is a well known 14 month-old computer generated hoax... never
happened... could NOT have happened.
Check it out.
just sayin'.... ;-)
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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Subject: Kolb-List: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'!
Hit you tube at this link and see US technology at it's best (or worst-LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAoVcNifdY
F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff on a carrier
This guy clearly has brass and you know the sailors on the flight deck had a
cow when they saw this unfold in front of them. Unintentional?
This is unbelievable!
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Subject: | Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? |
John,
Well exemplified in real life, and well articulated.
Thanks,
On Jan 17, 2012, at 6:03 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Gene Z/Kolbers:
>
> I was overwhelmed when I finally got to go to Army Flight School at
the ripe old age of 29. I thought I would never get the chance, but I
did. I loved flying helicopters, more so in a combat environment than
peace time. Didn't have to worry too much about peace time flying
because when I returned from VN there wasn't much flying to be done by a
young Army helicopter pilot. Most everything was done by the reg with
virtually no freedom of flight.
>
> After 4 years of retirement from the Army, I missed flying but could
not afford to fly civilian aircraft. Besides, I never got a fixed wing
transition. Along comes Homer Kolb and his little Ultrastar. Bought
the kit in Feb 1984, received it in Mar and flew it the first time in
June, self educated and self taught in fixed wing flying. Never had the
first lesson, flew over 1,100.0 hours in my first two Kolbs. Got a
Private Ticket in 1990, when I decided to build the MKIII and fly it to
Alaska. Had to have one then, or I would have stuck to ultra lights and
no license.
>
> My first flight was all I needed to know I had found the kind of
flying I really enjoyed. The primary reason I enjoyed ultralight was
the complete freedom I had to build, modify, and fly. And I did. I was
a free bird. I flew when and where I wanted to, and how I wanted to.
May not have been in compliance with Part 103, but I was far enough away
from the flag pole not to have to worry about the Feds.
>
> 8 Years and two Kolbs later, I find myself flying an N numbered MKIII.
As much fun as it was to fly the MKIII, having an N number and a
Private Ticket encouraged me to be more cognizant of the flying regs. I
stopped taking off and landing on taxiways because it was quicker or
because they pointed into the wind more. Stopped landing on roads and
refueling at gas stations. Stopped doing a lot of fun stuff I used to
do when flying my Ultrastar and Firestar.
>
> I don't think anything can replace the freedom we had building and
flying our unregistered Kolbs in the 1980's. Sitting here with the rain
drumming on the tin roof of my deck, the memories of those early days
are coming back. No, we don't have as much freedom as we did back then,
but it is still a lot of fun. Maybe not quite as much fun as it used to
be.
>
> I wrote a msg about the EAA last week, but it got gobbled up somewhere
out there in cyber space. What I said very briefly is, I belong to EAA
for two reasons:
>
> -1 I have to be a member of an EAA Chapter to buy Falcon Insurance.
>
> -2 Can't buy Falcon Insurance unless I am an EAA member.
>
> -3 I still like to fly down to Sun and Fun to spend time with the
Kolb Gang, and the many friends I have made in the last 28 years because
of Homer Kolb's little airplanes. Many of my friends I never see except
at Lakeland or Oshkosh. I haven't been to Oshkosh since 2007. Maybe
this year if they haven't taken all our camping privileges and freedoms
away I'll fly up there.
>
> Well, I had three instead of two reasons.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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With all due respect all this talk, and I have joined in, about EAA is just
so much whizzing in the wind. That is not to say that any of the authors do
not have legitimate complaints or points of view, it is just that, as we
must be reminded from time to time, this is the Kolb forum. No one from EAA
is likely to read what is written here, and no action will come from it.
Here is just one of many addresses where you might be heard;
membership@eaa.org <membership@eaa.org>;
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: Warp Drive prop |
Sorry for being into this thread late but I'd like to know Ellery, did you
ever notice any signs of trouble on the prop prior to failure, such as the
cracks or anything other than a normal smooth surface?
Thanks,
-Ben Ransom
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com<mailto:elleryweld@aol.com>>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop
Yes the NTSB report was finally finished up about 3 weeks ago it is a Warp
drive Prop and I have been talking to a lawyer
I am out an airplane and could have been out of life because of that Prop W
ho do they think they are using the public as
a test bed for there props why wasn't there ever a service bulletin out on
there props to prevent this from happening again this is not
the first time this has happened to one of there props from what the FAA h
as told me
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net<mailto:williamtsullivan@at
t.net>>
Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 9:52 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop
Ellery- Did anyone ever find out about the prop that came apart? Last I
remember, there was a discussion as to whether or not it was a stock factor
y Warp Drive.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447, Warp Drive prop
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Subject: | Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? |
- Brovo Eugene-----Ultralight Training is the kee to a revival,
using a flying club is the perfict way to train new students, anyone with
the desire can start a flying club for free. and start training ultralight
pilots for a club fee. ultralite pilots who register with the EAA recive cr
edit for training and flying time when they pursue a- pilot license. the
EAA fought for that prevlige for us.- now its up to us. I have a flying c
lub-its called fly for-fun club. yours Eugene could be called Eugene,s
fly for fun club. anyone wanting ther own fly for fun club should contact m
e off list and I will help you get started.--mal- -call any time-
---------=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan S
port Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultra
light & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A =0A=0A______________________________
__=0A From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.c
om =0ASent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:53 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:
This is what needs to change / changes in EAA?=0A =0A=0AOk guys,=0A=0A=0A
This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here.=0A=0AWhat this sp
ort actually needs is more -courageous young men with the philosophy of t
he young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could climb to the top of dad's
silo without any kind certificate, -he could build his own kind of -pl
ane and fly to the same height over the farm without any kind certificate.
=0A=0AThe late seventies and early eighties was a era when this -renegade
aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, -and because of
it this sport grew by leaps and bounds.-=0ASince that time this unique s
port has atrophied to its present sorry state because timid old men have be
en cowed into a preoccupation of protecting their -ass-ets by seeking -
governmental approval for every dream they wish to pursue. -=0ATodays yo
ung men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing affordable -goo
d USED -ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by their fear and -dis
approval of-legalistic "fat" that has been the backbone -hardware of th
is sport since from its beginning -heyday.=0A=0ARich old men have just ab
out succeeded in killing the sport pioneered in the U.S. by courageous youn
g renegades -espousing -aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb and others l
ike him had back in the seventies and eighties..=0A=0AIn order to flourish
again this sport must return to its courageous root paradigms.=0A=0AOk now
,, -here's my old head,,, chop it off.=0A=0AGene Z=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:=0A=0AHi,
=0A>As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental
Category in the UK.=0A>-=0A>Since the Thirties there has been the Popula
r Flying Association which in the early days promoted information and plans
for light aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single s
eaters, probably the- best known being-the Mignet Flying Flea. This con
tinued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated an
d included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine
for the light aircraft devotee.=0A>-=0A>Hang gliders came along which ev
olved into microlights. After a dodgy start with no regulation and a few de
aths an Association of microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine
. Luckily Anne Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Associat
ion since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the develo
pment of early microlights -and early gliders. She became involved and wi
th others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they
ran their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed -thei
r own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their
own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. -all under the auspices of the
-Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t
interfere` was and is well established.government attitude.=0A>-=0A>Natur
ally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying Assoc.,( now t
he Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity over jurisdiction
and there have been efforts to merge the two organisations. These have fail
ed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to be a member of both- which is
unnecessarily expensive. The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their fi
rst four seater plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is
my interest-.=0A>-=0A>Looking at your problems with the EAA from the o
utside it would seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propo
se motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisati
on route-and change things from the inside or form your own organisation.
=0A>-=0A>That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected orga
nisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, ins
urance companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representat
ion and so on- to be taken seriously.=0A>-=0A>Unfortunately the Experim
ental- attitude as with our Microlight attitude is not attractive to peop
le who only want to build and fly. Not mess about with `office work`=0A>Peo
ple who will do it can be found however,-we have proved it in the UK but
it is not easy.=0A>-=0A>Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but-
roughly this is the way it has happened here, for what its worth=0A>-=0A
>Pat=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http
://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">ht
==
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