---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/17/12: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: changes in EAA? (Pat Ladd) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: changes in EAA? (Pat Ladd) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Eugene Zimmerman) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Herb Gayheart) 5. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Ron @ KFHU) 6. 09:03 AM - OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Tom O'Hara) 7. 10:11 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Tom O'Hara) 8. 02:11 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (henry.voris) 9. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (John Hauck) 10. 03:06 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Beauford) 11. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Eugene Zimmerman) 12. 06:27 PM - EAA (Richard Girard) 13. 10:02 PM - Re: Warp Drive prop (Ben Ransom) 14. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? (Malcolm Brubaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:07 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: changes in EAA? Once you accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy Albert Einstein That's great.Very funny. I had not heard it before. Doesn't`t sound like Einstein though. Any confirmation. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:19 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: changes in EAA? Hi, As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental Category in the UK. Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association which in the early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single seaters, probably the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea. This continued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated and included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee. Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a dodgy start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Association since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the development of early microlights and early gliders. She became involved and with others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they ran their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed their own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere` was and is well established.government attitude. Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge the two organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive. The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest . Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisation route and change things from the inside or form your own organisation. That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected organisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, insurance companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representation and so on to be taken seriously. Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight attitude is not attractive to people who only want to build and fly. Not mess about with `office work` People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in the UK but it is not easy. Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the way it has happened here, for what its worth Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:18 AM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? Ok guys, This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here. What this sport actually needs is more courageous young men with the philosophy of the young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could climb to the top of dad's silo without any kind certificate, he could build his own kind of plane and fly to the same height over the farm without any kind certificate. The late seventies and early eighties was a era when this renegade aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, and because of it this sport grew by leaps and bounds. Since that time this unique sport has atrophied to its present sorry state because timid old men have been cowed into a preoccupation of protecting their ass-ets by seeking governmental approval for every dream they wish to pursue. Todays young men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing affordable good USED ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by their fear and disapproval of legalistic "fat" that has been the backbone hardware of this sport since from its beginning heyday. Rich old men have just about succeeded in killing the sport pioneered in the U.S. by courageous young renegades espousing aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb and others like him had back in the seventies and eighties.. In order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous root paradigms. Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off. Gene Z On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > Hi, > As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental Category in the UK. > > Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association which in the early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single seaters, probably the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea. This continued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated and included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee. > > Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a dodgy start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Association since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the development of early microlights and early gliders. She became involved and with others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they ran their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed their own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere` was and is well established.government attitude. > > Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge the two organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive. The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest . > > Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisation route and change things from the inside or form your own organisation. > > That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected organisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, insurance companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representation and so on to be taken seriously. > > Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight attitude is not attractive to people who only want to build and fly. Not mess about with `office work` > People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in the UK but it is not easy. > > Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the way it has happened here, for what its worth > > Pat > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:35 AM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? Chop! Chop!! :-) Hey....shooting the messenger is great sport...takes little to no courage...certainly no brain....:-) The more basic problem is with society as a whole.. One change that I notice over the last 30 or so years..is the tendency for everyone to want to talk and no one to listen... Thoughtful folks will understand that all of our ills are Kolb related... discussing the rust on the end of the barrel of a gun that is pointed at you is folly....Herb (you may quote me on that one!! ) :-) At 08:53 AM 1/17/2012, you wrote: >Ok guys, > >This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here. > >What this sport actually needs is more courageous young men with >the philosophy of the young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could >climb to the top of dad's silo without any kind certificate, he >could build his own kind of plane and fly to the same height over >the farm without any kind certificate. > >The late seventies and early eighties was a era when this renegade >aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, and >because of it this sport grew by leaps and bounds. >Since that time this unique sport has atrophied to its present sorry >state because timid old men have been cowed into a preoccupation of >protecting their ass-ets by seeking governmental approval for >every dream they wish to pursue. >Todays young men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing >affordable good USED ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by >their fear and disapproval of legalistic "fat" that has been the >backbone hardware of this sport since from its beginning heyday. > >Rich old men have just about succeeded in killing the sport >pioneered in the U.S. by courageous young >renegades espousing aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb and others >like him had back in the seventies and eighties.. > >In order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous >root paradigms. > >Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off. > >Gene Z > > >On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > >>Hi, >>As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the >>Experimental Category in the UK. >> >>Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association >>which in the early days promoted information and plans for light >>aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single >>seaters, probably the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea. >>This continued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more >>sophisticated and included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular >>Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee. >> >>Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a >>dodgy start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of >>microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne >>Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Association >>since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the >>development of early microlights and early gliders. She became >>involved and with others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. >>into a position where they ran their own autonomous Association, >>supplied instructors, agreed their own specifications of what a >>microlight was, their own inspectors, their own licences for pilots >>and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the Board of Trade and >>CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere` was >>and is well established.government attitude. >> >>Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying >>Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight >>fraternity over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge >>the two organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view, >>as I have to be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive. >>The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater >>plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest . >> >>Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would >>seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose >>motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper` >>organisation route and change things from the inside or form your >>own organisation. >> >>That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected >>organisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with >>the FAA, insurance companies etc has to be legal with a proper >>framework of representation and so on to be taken seriously. >> >>Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight >>attitude is not attractive to people who only want to build and >>fly. Not mess about with `office work` >>People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in >>the UK but it is not easy. >> >>Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the >>way it has happened here, for what its worth >> >>Pat >> >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:32 AM PST US From: "Ron @ KFHU" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? Well I think there is quite a few of us still around who have yet to grow up. Ultralights are fun, hang gliding is fun, flying inside of a spam can is not fun for me. I have never been an "organization man" like to do things my way, causes a lot of trouble a lot of the time. But I recognize that an organization is needed to counteract the over paid bureaucrats in DC. Having my own stinking bureaucrats fighting the official over paid bureaucrats while I struggle to make a buck to pay them all is a necessary evil. Problem is my bureaucrats (AOPA and EAA) get spooled around the axle and they stop fighting the over paid DC bureaucrats. Probably because over time they evolve into a symbiotic relationship with one another. Solution is clean house if possible on our side, and lobby congress to cut the budget of the FAA to near starvation. Money is fuel for the bureaucracy, no money small bureaucracy, less of them to mess with us. The issue at its core is big bureaucracy little freedom, less bureaucrats more freedom. Ron Mason KFHU do not archive ============================ ---- Eugene Zimmerman wrote: ============ Ok guys, This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here. What this sport actually needs is more courageous young men with the philosophy of the young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could climb to the top of dad's silo without any kind certificate, he could build his own kind of plane and fly to the same height over the farm without any kind certificate. The late seventies and early eighties was a era when this renegade aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, and because of it this sport grew by leaps and bounds. Since that time this unique sport has atrophied to its present sorry state because timid old men have been cowed into a preoccupation of protecting their ass-ets by seeking governmental approval for every dream they wish to pursue. Todays young men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing affordable good USED ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by their fear and disapproval of legalistic "fat" that has been the backbone hardware of this sport since from its beginning heyday. Rich old men have just about succeeded in killing the sport pioneered in the U.S. by courageous young renegades espousing aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb and others like him had back in the seventies and eighties.. In order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous root paradigms. Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off. Gene Z On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > Hi, > As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental Category in the UK. > > Since the Thirties there has been the Popular Flying Association which in the early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single seaters, probably the best known being the Mignet Flying Flea. This continued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated and included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee. > > Hang gliders came along which evolved into microlights. After a dodgy start with no regulation and a few deaths an Association of microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine. Luckily Anne Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Association since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the development of early microlights and early gliders. She became involved and with others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they ran their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed their own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. all under the auspices of the Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere` was and is well established.government attitude. > > Naturally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying Assoc.,( now the Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge the two organisations. These have failed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to be a member of both which is unnecessarily expensive. The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their first four seater plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest . > > Looking at your problems with the EAA from the outside it would seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propose motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisation route and change things from the inside or form your own organisation. > > That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected organisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, insurance companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representation and so on to be taken seriously. > > Unfortunately the Experimental attitude as with our Microlight attitude is not attractive to people who only want to build and fly. Not mess about with `office work` > People who will do it can be found however, we have proved it in the UK but it is not easy. > > Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but roughly this is the way it has happened here, for what its worth > > Pat > > > > -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! From: "Tom O'Hara" Hit you tube at this link and see US technology at it's best (or worst-LOL) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAoVcNifdY Here is the commentary: Read the text before watching the video! F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff on a carrier This guy clearly has brass and you know the sailors on the flight deck had a cow when they saw this unfold in front of them. Unintentional? This is unbelievable! F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff a real "check your laundry" event. A supremely well-trained US Navy pilot, ice running in his veins instead of blood, fully regains control of his $70 million, F-35 joint strike force fighter, after a problematic vertical take-off attempt... Watch as the rear vertical thruster fires to cause the problem. There's nothing about this the pilot enjoys. If he could have ejected at 100' upside down and lived, he would have. Looks like the afterburner kicks in while still vectored for vertical takeoff. Lockheed would call this a "software malfunction" and do a little more "regressive testing". This is a good demonstration of power-to-weight ratio of this aircraft! And talk about stability control... If he didn't come out of the loop wings-level, it probably would have been bad news; maybe taking some of the carrier with him! Add to this flying through your own exhaust, which can lead to equipment malfunctions, as in "flame out". The F-35 is single engine aircraft with vertical takeoff/landing capability, but it has the aerodynamics of a Steinway piano at zero airspeed. This is the most unbelievable piece of flying you will ever see in your life. This Guy deserves a Medal for saving a 70 Million Dollar Aircraft! You'll watch it at least 2 times! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364101#364101 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:11 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! From: "Tom O'Hara" OF course it might be Battlefield 2?? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364112#364112 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! From: "henry.voris" Video game... Say you're sorry... Not Kolb related. -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364135#364135 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:37 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? Ok now ,, here's my old head,,, chop it off. Gene Z Gene Z/Kolbers: I was overwhelmed when I finally got to go to Army Flight School at the ripe old age of 29. I thought I would never get the chance, but I did. I loved flying helicopters, more so in a combat environment than peace time. Didn't have to worry too much about peace time flying because when I returned from VN there wasn't much flying to be done by a young Army helicopter pilot. Most everything was done by the reg with virtually no freedom of flight. After 4 years of retirement from the Army, I missed flying but could not afford to fly civilian aircraft. Besides, I never got a fixed wing transition. Along comes Homer Kolb and his little Ultrastar. Bought the kit in Feb 1984, received it in Mar and flew it the first time in June, self educated and self taught in fixed wing flying. Never had the first lesson, flew over 1,100.0 hours in my first two Kolbs. Got a Private Ticket in 1990, when I decided to build the MKIII and fly it to Alaska. Had to have one then, or I would have stuck to ultra lights and no license. My first flight was all I needed to know I had found the kind of flying I really enjoyed. The primary reason I enjoyed ultralight was the complete freedom I had to build, modify, and fly. And I did. I was a free bird. I flew when and where I wanted to, and how I wanted to. May not have been in compliance with Part 103, but I was far enough away from the flag pole not to have to worry about the Feds. 8 Years and two Kolbs later, I find myself flying an N numbered MKIII. As much fun as it was to fly the MKIII, having an N number and a Private Ticket encouraged me to be more cognizant of the flying regs. I stopped taking off and landing on taxiways because it was quicker or because they pointed into the wind more. Stopped landing on roads and refueling at gas stations. Stopped doing a lot of fun stuff I used to do when flying my Ultrastar and Firestar. I don't think anything can replace the freedom we had building and flying our unregistered Kolbs in the 1980's. Sitting here with the rain drumming on the tin roof of my deck, the memories of those early days are coming back. No, we don't have as much freedom as we did back then, but it is still a lot of fun. Maybe not quite as much fun as it used to be. I wrote a msg about the EAA last week, but it got gobbled up somewhere out there in cyber space. What I said very briefly is, I belong to EAA for two reasons: -1 I have to be a member of an EAA Chapter to buy Falcon Insurance. -2 Can't buy Falcon Insurance unless I am an EAA member. -3 I still like to fly down to Sun and Fun to spend time with the Kolb Gang, and the many friends I have made in the last 28 years because of Homer Kolb's little airplanes. Many of my friends I never see except at Lakeland or Oshkosh. I haven't been to Oshkosh since 2007. Maybe this year if they haven't taken all our camping privileges and freedoms away I'll fly up there. Well, I had three instead of two reasons. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:49 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! Brother O'Hara... Not only is this off topic... and totally outside the scope of this list... The video is a well known 14 month-old computer generated hoax... never happened... could NOT have happened. Check it out. just sayin'.... ;-) Beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- Subject: Kolb-List: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! Hit you tube at this link and see US technology at it's best (or worst-LOL) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAoVcNifdY F-35 unintentional loop at takeoff on a carrier This guy clearly has brass and you know the sailors on the flight deck had a cow when they saw this unfold in front of them. Unintentional? This is unbelievable! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:29 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? John, Well exemplified in real life, and well articulated. Thanks, On Jan 17, 2012, at 6:03 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Gene Z/Kolbers: > > I was overwhelmed when I finally got to go to Army Flight School at the ripe old age of 29. I thought I would never get the chance, but I did. I loved flying helicopters, more so in a combat environment than peace time. Didn't have to worry too much about peace time flying because when I returned from VN there wasn't much flying to be done by a young Army helicopter pilot. Most everything was done by the reg with virtually no freedom of flight. > > After 4 years of retirement from the Army, I missed flying but could not afford to fly civilian aircraft. Besides, I never got a fixed wing transition. Along comes Homer Kolb and his little Ultrastar. Bought the kit in Feb 1984, received it in Mar and flew it the first time in June, self educated and self taught in fixed wing flying. Never had the first lesson, flew over 1,100.0 hours in my first two Kolbs. Got a Private Ticket in 1990, when I decided to build the MKIII and fly it to Alaska. Had to have one then, or I would have stuck to ultra lights and no license. > > My first flight was all I needed to know I had found the kind of flying I really enjoyed. The primary reason I enjoyed ultralight was the complete freedom I had to build, modify, and fly. And I did. I was a free bird. I flew when and where I wanted to, and how I wanted to. May not have been in compliance with Part 103, but I was far enough away from the flag pole not to have to worry about the Feds. > > 8 Years and two Kolbs later, I find myself flying an N numbered MKIII. As much fun as it was to fly the MKIII, having an N number and a Private Ticket encouraged me to be more cognizant of the flying regs. I stopped taking off and landing on taxiways because it was quicker or because they pointed into the wind more. Stopped landing on roads and refueling at gas stations. Stopped doing a lot of fun stuff I used to do when flying my Ultrastar and Firestar. > > I don't think anything can replace the freedom we had building and flying our unregistered Kolbs in the 1980's. Sitting here with the rain drumming on the tin roof of my deck, the memories of those early days are coming back. No, we don't have as much freedom as we did back then, but it is still a lot of fun. Maybe not quite as much fun as it used to be. > > I wrote a msg about the EAA last week, but it got gobbled up somewhere out there in cyber space. What I said very briefly is, I belong to EAA for two reasons: > > -1 I have to be a member of an EAA Chapter to buy Falcon Insurance. > > -2 Can't buy Falcon Insurance unless I am an EAA member. > > -3 I still like to fly down to Sun and Fun to spend time with the Kolb Gang, and the many friends I have made in the last 28 years because of Homer Kolb's little airplanes. Many of my friends I never see except at Lakeland or Oshkosh. I haven't been to Oshkosh since 2007. Maybe this year if they haven't taken all our camping privileges and freedoms away I'll fly up there. > > Well, I had three instead of two reasons. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: EAA From: Richard Girard With all due respect all this talk, and I have joined in, about EAA is just so much whizzing in the wind. That is not to say that any of the authors do not have legitimate complaints or points of view, it is just that, as we must be reminded from time to time, this is the Kolb forum. No one from EAA is likely to read what is written here, and no action will come from it. Here is just one of many addresses where you might be heard; membership@eaa.org ; Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:58 PM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop Sorry for being into this thread late but I'd like to know Ellery, did you ever notice any signs of trouble on the prop prior to failure, such as the cracks or anything other than a normal smooth surface? Thanks, -Ben Ransom From: Ellery Batchelder Jr > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop Yes the NTSB report was finally finished up about 3 weeks ago it is a Warp drive Prop and I have been talking to a lawyer I am out an airplane and could have been out of life because of that Prop W ho do they think they are using the public as a test bed for there props why wasn't there ever a service bulletin out on there props to prevent this from happening again this is not the first time this has happened to one of there props from what the FAA h as told me Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: william sullivan > Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 9:52 am Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop Ellery- Did anyone ever find out about the prop that came apart? Last I remember, there was a discussion as to whether or not it was a stock factor y Warp Drive. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447, Warp Drive prop get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:22 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA? - Brovo Eugene-----Ultralight Training is the kee to a revival, using a flying club is the perfict way to train new students, anyone with the desire can start a flying club for free. and start training ultralight pilots for a club fee. ultralite pilots who register with the EAA recive cr edit for training and flying time when they pursue a- pilot license. the EAA fought for that prevlige for us.- now its up to us. I have a flying c lub-its called fly for-fun club. yours Eugene could be called Eugene,s fly for fun club. anyone wanting ther own fly for fun club should contact m e off list and I will help you get started.--mal- -call any time- ---------=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan S port Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultra light & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A =0A=0A______________________________ __=0A From: Eugene Zimmerman =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.c om =0ASent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:53 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: This is what needs to change / changes in EAA?=0A =0A=0AOk guys,=0A=0A=0A This old man is going to stick his old neck way out here.=0A=0AWhat this sp ort actually needs is more -courageous young men with the philosophy of t he young Homer Kolb who reasoned that if he could climb to the top of dad's silo without any kind certificate, -he could build his own kind of -pl ane and fly to the same height over the farm without any kind certificate. =0A=0AThe late seventies and early eighties was a era when this -renegade aviation paradigm flourished in the hearts of YOUNG men, -and because of it this sport grew by leaps and bounds.-=0ASince that time this unique s port has atrophied to its present sorry state because timid old men have be en cowed into a preoccupation of protecting their -ass-ets by seeking - governmental approval for every dream they wish to pursue. -=0ATodays yo ung men have been robbed of the opportunity of purchasing affordable -goo d USED -ultralight planes by old men preoccupied by their fear and -dis approval of-legalistic "fat" that has been the backbone -hardware of th is sport since from its beginning -heyday.=0A=0ARich old men have just ab out succeeded in killing the sport pioneered in the U.S. by courageous youn g renegades -espousing -aviation paradigms like Homer Kolb and others l ike him had back in the seventies and eighties..=0A=0AIn order to flourish again this sport must return to its courageous root paradigms.=0A=0AOk now ,, -here's my old head,,, chop it off.=0A=0AGene Z=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:=0A=0AHi, =0A>As you are probably aware we do not have anything like the Experimental Category in the UK.=0A>-=0A>Since the Thirties there has been the Popula r Flying Association which in the early days promoted information and plans for light aircraft. Planes discussed were small, light, generally single s eaters, probably the- best known being-the Mignet Flying Flea. This con tinued for many years. Planes became a bit bigger and more sophisticated an d included factory built planes. Moths etc. Popular Flying was the magazine for the light aircraft devotee.=0A>-=0A>Hang gliders came along which ev olved into microlights. After a dodgy start with no regulation and a few de aths an Association of microlight pilots was formed with their own magazine . Luckily Anne Welch, who had been involved in the British Gliding Associat ion since very early gliding days realised the parallels between the develo pment of early microlights -and early gliders. She became involved and wi th others piloted the emerging Microlight Assoc. into a position where they ran their own autonomous Association, supplied instructors, agreed -thei r own specifications of what a microlight was, their own inspectors, their own licences for pilots and aircraft etc. -all under the auspices of the -Board of Trade and CAA. The basis of `keep your nose clean and we won`t interfere` was and is well established.government attitude.=0A>-=0A>Natur ally there has been some conflict between the Popular Flying Assoc.,( now t he Light Aircraft Assoc).,.and the Microlight fraternity over jurisdiction and there have been efforts to merge the two organisations. These have fail ed, unfortunately in my view, as I have to be a member of both- which is unnecessarily expensive. The Light Aircraft Assoc has now approved their fi rst four seater plane so is moving farther from the microlight end which is my interest-.=0A>-=0A>Looking at your problems with the EAA from the o utside it would seem that you either have to attend all EAA meetings, propo se motions, get them seconded and passed by working the `proper` organisati on route-and change things from the inside or form your own organisation. =0A>-=0A>That of course means a lot of work for someone. A respected orga nisation which can negotiate from strength on your behalf with the FAA, ins urance companies etc has to be legal with a proper framework of representat ion and so on- to be taken seriously.=0A>-=0A>Unfortunately the Experim ental- attitude as with our Microlight attitude is not attractive to peop le who only want to build and fly. Not mess about with `office work`=0A>Peo ple who will do it can be found however,-we have proved it in the UK but it is not easy.=0A>-=0A>Forgive a limey for intruding on your turf but- roughly this is the way it has happened here, for what its worth=0A>-=0A >Pat=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http ://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">ht == ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.