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Wed 01/18/12


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 01:26 AM - Einstein (George Bearden)
     2. 03:25 AM - Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'! (Pat Ladd)
     3. 05:52 AM - Re: changes in EAA? (Thom Riddle)
     4. 06:33 AM - Re: Warp Drive prop (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
     5. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: changes in EAA? (Pat Ladd)
     6. 06:57 AM - Re: Warp Drive prop (John Hauck)
     7. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: changes in EAA? (John Hauck)
     8. 07:03 AM - Beats my scanner (Lanny Fetterman)
     9. 09:23 AM - Re: Warp Drive prop (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
    10. 09:48 AM - Back to topic! Kolb coolness! (Phil)
    11. 09:54 AM - Gap seal.... needed? (David Kulp)
    12. 10:21 AM - Re: Gap seal.... needed? (Herb Gayheart)
    13. 10:22 AM - Re: Gap seal.... needed? (Dana Hague)
    14. 11:04 AM - Re: Back to topic! Kolb coolness! (chris davis)
    15. 12:00 PM - Re: Back to topic! Kolb coolness! (Ron @ KFHU)
    16. 12:04 PM - Re: Back to topic! Kolb coolness! (Phil)
    17. 12:45 PM - Re: Gap seal.... needed? (Richard Girard)
    18. 01:03 PM - Re: Warp Drive prop (Richard Girard)
    19. 05:58 PM - Kolbra video (tkben002)
    20. 06:28 PM - Re: Kolbra video (russ kinne)
    21. 06:42 PM - Re: Kolbra video (John Hauck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:26:06 AM PST US
    From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Einstein
    > Doesn't sound like Einstein though. Any confirmation? I dunno fer sure, wasn't there, but a number of years ago, prolly 20+ years, I read the same quote and it was attributed to him then too.


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    Time: 03:25:37 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC- but amazing- outside loop at 30'!
    You'll watch it at least 2 times!>> While we are having this little break of `off topicitis` and grammar checking I offer the quote above. Whatever happened to `twice`? I have noticed that more and more often, particularly but not exclusively by Americans `twice` seems to have dropped out of use in favour of the more awkward `two times` Odd isn`t it, that `twice` is acceptable yet we do not usually use `thrice` Americans do not use `fortnight` for `two weeks` although it is normal in the UK. `fortnight` in case you hadn`t made the connection is short for `fourteen nights` Yet we do not use `sennight` (short for seven nights`) I do occasionally but I have a reputation as a miserable old curmudgeon to keep up. Cheers Pat


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    Time: 05:52:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: changes in EAA?
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    Pat, That quotation from Albert Einstein appears on the following web pages but who can say if it is authentic? http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/9810.Albert_Einstein http://www.alberteinsteinsite.com/quotes/einsteinquotes.html -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364184#364184


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    Time: 06:33:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Warp Drive prop
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    there was no signs damage or defects of the propellor blades prior to the l ast flight even though I did have one of the hub plates crack and I sent to warp and purchased new hub plate s 30 Hours prior to this Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Ransom <bransom@ucdavis.edu> Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 1:03 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop Sorry for being into this thread late but I'd like to know Ellery, did you ever notice any signs of trouble on the prop prior to failure, such as the cracks or anything other than a normal smooth surface? Thanks, -Ben Ransom From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop Yes the NTSB report was finally finished up about 3 weeks ago it is a Warp drive Prop and I have been talking to a lawyer I am out an airplane and could have been out of life because of that Prop W ho do they think they are using the public as a test bed for there props why wasn't there ever a service bulletin out on there props to prevent this from happening again this is not the first time this has happened to one of there props from what the FAA h as told me Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 9:52 am Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop Ellery- Did anyone ever find out about the prop that came apart? Last I remember, there was a discussion as to whether or not it was a stock factor y Warp Drive. Bill Sullivan Windsor Locks, Ct. FS 447, Warp Drive prop get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List cs.com matronics.com/contribution -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 06:49:04 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: changes in EAA?
    That quotation from Albert Einstein >> I have looked up the page you mentioned. great Stuff. With so many quotes am surprised that he got any work done. Its all relative I suppose. Pat


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    Time: 06:57:03 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Warp Drive prop
    there was no signs damage or defects of the propellor blades prior to the last flight even though I did have one of the hub plates crack and I sent to warp and purchased new hub plates 30 Hours prior to this Ellery Batchelder Jr. Ellery B/Kolbers: Correct me if I am wrong. The current version of solid carbon fiber WD blades has been in production since the early 1990's. I tested a couple in the last 80's on the Firestar and started using them on my MKIII in 1993, first on the 582 and then the 912's. Weren't the blades you that failed on your MKIII a set of first run blades manufactured prior to the beginning of the solid carbon fiber blades? I believe there have been many improvements in WD blades since then. WD changed hands and has been run by Daryl after those initial cored blades were sold. My memory is fuzzy, which is situation normal. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 07:00:15 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: changes in EAA?
    That quotation from Albert Einstein >> I have looked up the page you mentioned. ******************************************** Kolbers: We are getting way off base here. Let's get back to the primary purpose of the Kolb List, building and flying Kolbs. Thanks, john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 07:03:49 AM PST US
    From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>
    Subject: Beats my scanner
    My radio skills are weak, (never anyone to talk to where I fly) perhaps listening to this will help me. http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=kjfk_dep If you click on the link, and there is nothing to hear, give it a few minutes. If the clock is running, all is well. I listen to this while I check the Kolb list. There, now it is Kolb related. ;-) Lanny N598LF Do not archive


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    Time: 09:23:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Warp Drive prop
    From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
    yes my blades are from the earlier version Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:57 am Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop there was no signs damage or defects of the propellor blades prior to the l ast flight even though I did have one of the hub plates crack and I sent to warp and purchased new hub plate s 30 Hours prior to this Ellery Batchelder Jr. Ellery B/Kolbers: Correct me if I am wrong. The current version of solid carbon fiber WD blades has been in production since the early 1990's. I tested a couple in the last 80's on the Firestar and started using them on my MKIII in 1993, first on the 582 and then the 912's. Weren't the blades you that failed on your MKIII a set of first run blades manufactured prior to the beginning of the solid carbon fiber blades? I believe there have been many improvements in WD blades since then. WD ch anged hands and has been run by Daryl after those initial cored blades were sold. My memory is fuzzy, which is situation normal. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 09:48:18 AM PST US
    From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Back to topic! Kolb coolness!
    I agree! Therefore, here's some fun Kolb Firefly schtuff: Engine and muffler mounting plate custom designed and fabricated by Bryan M elborn at Kolb Co. specifically for my new Firefly's CRE mz201 engine: http://phactor.com/mtgPlates_2.jpg http://phactor.com/eng_a.jpg http://phactor.com/eng_a3.jpg I made the pulley myself: http://phactor.com/psp4.jpg Made the coil mount myself: http://phactor.com/coil_c.jpg http://phactor.com/coilParts.jpg http://phactor.com/coilPlacement.jpg And finally, I updated my mz201 weights and pics page with Bryan's engine/m uffler mount weight/pics: http://phactor.com/Kolb/201/201.htm Phil H FF-11-4-0076 --- On Wed, 1/18/12, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: changes in EAA? That quotation from Albert Einstein >> I have looked up the page- you mentioned. ******************************************** Kolbers: We are getting way off base here. Let's get back to the primary purpose of the Kolb List, building and flying Kolbs. Thanks, john h mkIII Titus, Alabama le, List Admin.


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    Time: 09:54:31 AM PST US
    From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net>
    Subject: Gap seal.... needed?
    ***Kolb folks, This link was posted a short time ago of a beautiful Kolb Mk III with a Beemer R1100S engine. I have about 100K sitting on a BMW R engine and love the sound. Beyond that, I noticed he was flying with no gap seal and the plane seems to be very stable and controllable. I've never tried it on my FF...** Any comments?* * Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK * >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KGLy1FCWVU


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    Time: 10:21:44 AM PST US
    From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: Gap seal.... needed?
    I know Mike.. He built this bird and flew it first of all with the std 582 engine...Back about the time the New Kolb came into existence..Bryan and Norm flew over to Springfield Airport or Rough River and checked it over..Superb workmanship.. I had gull wing doors on my MkIII rebuild several years before...Still think it is the way to go... Last I knew , it could be bought with or without the engine...Herb At 11:52 AM 1/18/2012, you wrote: >Kolb folks, > >This link was posted a short time ago of a beautiful Kolb Mk III >with a Beemer R1100S engine. I have about 100K sitting on a BMW R >engine and love the sound. Beyond that, I noticed he was flying >with no gap seal and the plane seems to be very stable and >controllable. I've never tried it on my FF... Any comments? > >Dave Kulp >Bethlehem, PA >FireFly 11DMK >>><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KGLy1FCWVU>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KGLy1FCWVU > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >


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    Time: 10:22:02 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Gap seal.... needed?
    At 12:52 PM 1/18/2012, David Kulp wrote: >...I noticed he was flying with no gap seal and the plane seems to be very >stable and controllable. I've never tried it on my FF... Any comments? I've never flown a FF, but I flew my Ultrastar without the gap seal. Once. Looooong takeoff roll, poor climb, sloppy pitch control. -Dana -- Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!


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    Time: 11:04:20 AM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Back to topic! Kolb coolness!
    Phil, Hi Nice work you and Bryan did on your Firefly! Did you see my post o n the info i got from Leon at MZ It turned out that the engine weighs 2 lbs more with the fan cooling but Leon says as Im sure he told you that he has no doubt about the free air cooling on the Firefly so the $560 for the fan cooling might be saved .I guess Ill leave up to you to be the test pilot b efore I order.=0AThat Bryan does some nice work. Is the rest the aircraft c oming along well ?I hope to be able to afford a trip to my place and my Fir efly in Florida maybe the first of March . Keep up the good work .Chris=0A -=0A-=0A-=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled f rom crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday , January 18, 2012 12:45 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Back to topic! Kolb cooln ess!=0A=0AI agree! Therefore, here's some fun Kolb Firefly schtuff:=0AEngin e and muffler mounting plate custom designed and fabricated by Bryan Melbor n at Kolb Co. specifically for my new Firefly's CRE mz201 engine:http://pha ctor.com/mtgPlates_2.jpghttp://phactor.com/eng_a.jpghttp://phactor.com/eng_ a3.jpg=0AI made the pulley myself:http://phactor.com/psp4.jpg=0AMade the co il mount myself:http://phactor.com/coil_c.jpghttp://phactor.com/coilParts.j pghttp://phactor.com/coilPlacement.jpg=0AAnd finally, I updated my mz201 we ights and pics page with Bryan's engine/muffler mount weight/pics:http://ph actor.com/Kolb/201/201.htm=0APhil HFF-11-4-0076--- On Wed, 1/18/12, John Ha uck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:=0A=0A>From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr. com>=0A>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: changes in EAA?=0A>To: kolb-list@matron ics.com=0A>Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 9:57 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>--> Kolb-L ist message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>That quotation fr om Albert Einstein >>I have looked up the page- you mentioned.*********** *********************************Kolbers:We are getting way off base here.L et's get back to the primary purpose of the Kolb List, building and flyingK olbs.Thanks,john hmkIII http://www.matronip; - - - - - - - -======================== ===========


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    Time: 12:00:14 PM PST US
    From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Back to topic! Kolb coolness!
    Nice work all around. ---- Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote: ============ I agree! Therefore, here's some fun Kolb Firefly schtuff: Engine and muffler mounting plate custom designed and fabricated by Bryan Melborn at Kolb Co. specifically for my new Firefly's CRE mz201 engine: http://phactor.com/mtgPlates_2.jpg http://phactor.com/eng_a.jpg http://phactor.com/eng_a3.jpg I made the pulley myself: http://phactor.com/psp4.jpg Made the coil mount myself: http://phactor.com/coil_c.jpg http://phactor.com/coilParts.jpg http://phactor.com/coilPlacement.jpg And finally, I updated my mz201 weights and pics page with Bryan's engine/muffler mount weight/pics: http://phactor.com/Kolb/201/201.htm Phil H FF-11-4-0076 --- On Wed, 1/18/12, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: changes in EAA? That quotation from Albert Einstein >> I have looked up the page you mentioned. ******************************************** Kolbers: We are getting way off base here. Let's get back to the primary purpose of the Kolb List, building and flying Kolbs. Thanks, john h mkIII Titus, Alabama le, List Admin. -- Ron @ KFHU


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    Time: 12:04:13 PM PST US
    From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Back to topic! Kolb coolness!
    Yes, I saw your post; good information. It confirms what I also have found by talking with CRE, and all the weights on my mz201 page are still accurat e; although they do not include the fan shroud, which I didn't opt for. http://phactor.com/Kolb/201/201.htm Yes I will certainly be the mz201-on-a-Kolb-Firefly guinea pig and share th e results; still a couple of months off. A couple of months ago I still had to move from DE to TN, sell a home, buy a home, and THEN order a Firefly. Well, got all that done! Building is going great; working on the electrical and instruments now - almost half-way through the plane. And yes, Bryan and Travis are wizards. Phil H FF-11-4-0076 --- On Wed, 1/18/12, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Back to topic! Kolb coolness! Phil, Hi Nice work you and Bryan did on your Firefly! Did you see my post o n the info i got from Leon at MZ It turned out that the engine weighs 2 lbs more with the fan cooling but Leon says as Im sure he told you that he has no doubt about the free air cooling on the Firefly so the $560 for the fan cooling might be saved .I guess Ill leave up to you to be the test pilot b efore I order. That Bryan does some nice work. Is the rest the aircraft coming along well ?I hope to be able to afford a trip to my place and my Firefly in Florida m aybe the first of March . Keep up the good work .Chris - - - Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:45 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Back to topic! Kolb coolness! I agree! Therefore, here's some fun Kolb Firefly schtuff: Engine and muffler mounting plate custom designed and fabricated by Bryan M elborn at Kolb Co. specifically for my new Firefly's CRE mz201 engine: http ://phactor.com/mtgPlates_2.jpg http://phactor.com/eng_a.jpg http://phactor. com/eng_a3.jpg I made the pulley myself: http://phactor.com/psp4.jpg Made the coil mount myself: http://phactor.com/coil_c.jpg http://phactor.co m/coilParts.jpg http://phactor.com/coilPlacement.jpg And finally, I updated my mz201 weights and pics page with Bryan's engine/m uffler mount weight/pics: http://phactor.com/Kolb/201/201.htm Phil H FF-11-4-0076 --- On Wed, 1/18/12, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: changes in EAA? uotation from Albert Einstein >> I have looked up the page- you mentioned . ******************************************** Kolbers: We are getting way off base here. Let's get back to the primary purpose of the Kolb List, buil ding and flying Kolbs. Thanks, john h mkIII http://www.matronip; - - - - - - - - - -Matt Draronics.com/contribution" ==== == =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List


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    Time: 12:45:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gap seal.... needed?
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Dave, The need for a gap seal is an open question, IF the frame below the engine is covered as it should be. Firefly's Firestar's and others don't have this so their comments will be biased toward having the gap seal. I first flew the Mk IIIX I've been working on for a year now, trying to track down and fix all the stupid things the original builder did, without either. It was an absolute disaster, the plane flew horribly. I built a gap cover, it flew somewhat better, but still wasn't right. When I covered the frame below the engine, the climb rate of the airplane instantly DOUBLED! So, if the airplane has no gap seal and has the midframe covered it MIGHT fly okay (emphasis on might, I haven't flown my IIIC or the IIIX in that configuration). The other way around it will fly badly. With both the airplane will fly wonderfully. I believe this is how the good folks at Kolb meant it to be. Hope I didn't splatter too much mud on the topic. Rick Girard On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Herb Gayheart <herbgh@nctc.com> wrote: > > I know Mike.. > > He built this bird and flew it first of all with the std 582 > engine...Back about the time the New Kolb came into existence..Bryan and > Norm flew over to Springfield Airport or Rough River and checked it > over..Superb workmanship.. > > I had gull wing doors on my MkIII rebuild several years before...Still > think it is the way to go... > > Last I knew , it could be bought with or without the engine...Herb > > > At 11:52 AM 1/18/2012, you wrote: > > *Kolb folks, > > This link was posted a short time ago of a beautiful Kolb Mk III with a > Beemer R1100S engine. I have about 100K sitting on a BMW R engine and love > the sound. Beyond that, I noticed he was flying with no gap seal and the > plane seems to be very stable and controllable. I've never tried it on my > FF... Any comments?* > * > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > FireFly 11DMK > * > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KGLy1FCWVU > > > Email Forum - > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 01:03:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Warp Drive prop
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Just as a check, do all of you WD propped flyers know what a tap test is for composites? Please don't be upset if you consider this basic, but some of you might not know. You take a quarter and tap the composite structure in question with the edge of the quarter, if you hear a nice crisp sound the structure is solid in that area, if you hear a muffled thud sort of sound there is a crack or a delamination in the area where you tapped. By tapping all around the surface of the structure and marking each spot where you got a thud, you can map the area of the problem. Like I said, it may seem basic, but I've been surprised at some people who didn't know but should. To standardize the tap test the Boeing company actually had a calibrated and certified tap test hammer made. I know this because my composites guru, Joe Person, is an engineer at the Modification Center where they do all sorts of custom adaptations of Boeing aircraft. He was doing a tap test on a part one day and was asked why he wasn't using the correct tool. The questioner then took Joe to the tool crib to check out the official Boeing tap test hammer. Before someone turns this into a $15,000 Government approved toilet seat story, the Mod Center is part of Boeing Commercial, not Boeing Military. Anyway, the tap test of a composite propeller should be on your worksheet when you do your airplane's annual conditional inspection. Cracks can open under strain and close when the strain is relieved, making them difficult to find, but the tap test works every time. Rick Girard On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>wrote: > **yes my blades are from the earlier version > > *Ellery Batchelder Jr.* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 9:57 am > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop > > > there was no signs damage or defects of the propellor blades prior > to the last flight even though I did have > one of the hub plates crack and I sent to warp and purchased new hub > plates 30 Hours prior to this > > *Ellery Batchelder Jr.* > > * * > > > Ellery B/Kolbers: > > > Correct me if I am wrong. > > > The current version of solid carbon fiber WD blades has been in production since the early 1990's. I tested a couple in the last 80's on the Firestar and started using them on my MKIII in 1993, first on the 582 and then the 912's. > > > Weren't the blades you that failed on your MKIII a set of first run blades manufactured prior to the beginning of the solid carbon fiber blades? > > > I believe there have been many improvements in WD blades since then. WD changed hands and has been run by Daryl after those initial cored blades were sold. > > > My memory is fuzzy, which is situation normal. ;-) > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > * * > > * > > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 05:58:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Kolbra video
    From: "tkben002" <tkben002@bellsouth.net>
    I took a x/c from central LA to Arkansas with some members of the local EAA club last weekend. Since I have my new camera I decided to take it along for some inflight video. I sliced a bunch of it together and posted it on youtube. It is mostly take off's and landings though and is 4 parts. The link below is to Part I. It is amazing how many people think of my kolb as an ultralight and not a (real) plane. Alot of the guys in the local EAA club were surprised I flew it that far and/or in the cold and/or near some sort of mountains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P86C3TXc3_U&feature=plcp&context=C34b3a9cUDOEgsToPDskJVBOb7cawd1UVNVLkgsFiA Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364257#364257


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    Time: 06:28:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolbra video
    From: russ kinne <russkinne@mac.com>
    Travis Tell your questioning friends to check out John Hauck's MAJOR XC trips Russ K do not archive PS tell any beekeeper historians to check on the Ark-hives On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:56 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > I took a x/c from central LA to Arkansas with some members of the local EAA club last weekend. Since I have my new camera I decided to take it along for some inflight video. I sliced a bunch of it together and posted it on youtube. It is mostly take off's and landings though and is 4 parts. The link below is to Part I. > > It is amazing how many people think of my kolb as an ultralight and not a (real) plane. Alot of the guys in the local EAA club were surprised I flew it that far and/or in the cold and/or near some sort of mountains. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P86C3TXc3_U&feature=plcp&context=C34b3a9cUDOEgsToPDskJVBOb7cawd1UVNVLkgsFiA > > Travis Bennett > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364257#364257 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:42:01 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Kolbra video
    It is amazing how many people think of my kolb as an ultralight and not a (real) plane. Alot of the guys in the local EAA club were surprised I flew it that far and/or in the cold and/or near some sort of mountains. Travis Bennett Travis B/Kolbers: Enjoyed the vids. Tell those real airplane people we fly our ultralights wherever we point the nose. International borders slow us down, but don't stop us. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama




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