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1. 02:18 AM - Re: Fw: Small aircraft in big places (Pat Ladd)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Thom Riddle)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Girard)
4. 07:30 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Eugene Zimmerman)
5. 07:52 AM - Ivo service bulletin (Lanny Fetterman)
6. 08:12 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Pike)
7. 08:53 AM - Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? (FIRESTARII)
8. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Herb Gayheart)
9. 09:17 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Larry Cottrell)
10. 09:31 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Herb Gayheart)
11. 10:58 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Girard)
12. 11:11 AM - Re: Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? (Richard Girard)
13. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Girard)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Girard)
15. 11:31 AM - Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web (Richard Girard)
16. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: FAA registration renewal (Richard Girard)
17. 11:55 AM - Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web (Lanny Fetterman)
18. 01:17 PM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (b young)
19. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Herb Gayheart)
20. 01:52 PM - Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web (Richard Girard)
21. 02:45 PM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (John Hauck)
22. 02:46 PM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
23. 02:53 PM - Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web (John Hauck)
24. 03:19 PM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (John Hauck)
25. 03:27 PM - Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web (Richard Girard)
26. 05:30 PM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Larry Cottrell)
27. 06:55 PM - Re: Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? (Ozarkflyer)
28. 09:17 PM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Ron @ KFHU)
29. 10:06 PM - Re: Re: Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? (TheWanderingWench)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Small aircraft in big places |
Got no image, just a window with LOOP DIGITAL MEDIA ON IT
But thanx for trying>>
I will see what others report and if they have problems I will get back
to the bloke.
If anyone is interested that is. No response except from you up to now.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Tom,
The 447 engine and "B" gearbox that you got with the project had all you needed
for mounting a new prop. No extra spacer was required for the prop that was on
it before. You should be able to get the correct bolts, nuts, and washers from
the prop supplier or from Kolb Aircraft, I would think. The prop manufacturer
can also tell you the proper torque for their prop.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Your 447 has threaded and unthreaded holes on a 75mm bolt circle. The
threaded holes are 8mm - 1.25 mm pitch. You want to use 8.8 spec bolts and
it's easier to use lock nuts to secure them rather than trying to find
bolts with drilled heads, or drilling them yourself.
The spacer is required because Ivo blades will flex forward during full hp
operations.
Also, I know people like Ivo props, but their manufacturing standards for
them are pretty poor. The spacer blocks are too thick and cause the crush
plate to bend (the blocks are .015 to .020" too thick. On the last prop I
installed for a customer I had to put the blocks on my Bridgeport to flycut
them to match the blade thickness). If you put a prop protractor on the
blades after you get them adjusted you'll find there's a .5 to 1 degree
difference between blades because of variations in either the welding of
the adjustment arms on the torsion rod or how the rod is attached in the
blade.
Last, do not neglect the torque spec requirement. You have to run the
engine for one minute, then retorque the bolts, run it for two minutes,
retorque, run four minutes, retorque, run eight minutes, retorque....and so
on until you reach two hours of running. After that you're supposed to
retorque every two hours of running time.
Read Ivo's service bulletin here; http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm about
using stainless steel tape to detect movement of the blades that can lead
to blade loss or cracking.
My not so humble opinion is to get rid or it and get another brand.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:44 PM, tombaisley <tombaisley@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Can anybody describe this?
> steel or aluminum?
> Thru holes with long bolts? Or is the spacer bolted to the engine hub and
> then drilled and tapped for the propeller?
> What bolts are used?
> Source for bolts?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364389#364389
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Tom,
Why regard the advice of one not so humble person who has had nothing
but a boat load of trouble with his Kolb projects, when there are lots
of other satisfied users who have had thousands of trouble free hours
with the same products?
On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> My not so humble opinion is to get rid or it and get another brand.
>
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| Subject: | Ivo service bulletin |
That is the first I have seen the service bulletin. My original
instructions, (which I still have) called for 150 in/lbs on the
mounting bolts. I just e-mailed Ivo and asked if I need to retorque
them to the new (to me) 200 in/lbs as stated in the bulletin. I will
post their answer if and when I receive a reply. Lanny FSII
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
[quote="rickofudall"] Last, do not neglect the torque spec requirement. You have
to run the engine for one minute, then retorque the bolts, run it for two minutes,
retorque, run four minutes, retorque, run eight minutes, retorque....and
so on until you reach two hours of running. After that you're supposed to retorque
every two hours of running time. [quote]
Never heard of that, never done it, not had any problems.
[quote] Read Ivo's service bulletin here; http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm (http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm)about using stainless steel tape to detect movement of the blades that can lead to blade loss or cracking.[quote]
That is for 3:1 gearboxes, 3 cylinder engines, direct drives or other applications
that create harmonic vibrations. If you are using a 447 with a 2.58:1 ratio,
or other reduction that does not create harmonics, it doesn't apply to you.
[quote] My not so humble opinion is to get rid of it and get another brand.
Rick Girard [quote]
My not so humble opinion is that I have been using my 2 blade 68" Ivo for many
years and hundreds of hours on my 582 powered MKIII, and I like it just fine.
I would be quite surprised if an Ivo on a 447 is going to be any cause of grief.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? |
:D Hey every body, have not posted in a while but I got my FSII all torne apart
and the engine pulled. I have a 503DCDI with 290 hours on it and Rotax says
300 hour TBO so I need to have it rebuilt. Heavanbound Aviation is about an hour
down the road from my house. I was curious if any body has worked with this
company before and weather or not they would go back for service/rebuild.
The guy advertises 400 buck plus parts for overhaul on the 503, seemed fair to
me? The website is
www.Heavanboundaviation.com. Let me know what ya'all think.
Thanks again for your help/input and fly safe
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Low and Slow FireStar II
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
I like IVO's also...never had a problem...less
than 200 hours using them however..
The spacers are cosmetic anyhow...Think that
came from the horses mouth.? Herb
At 10:09 AM 1/21/2012, you wrote:
>
>[quote="rickofudall"] Last, do not neglect the
>torque spec requirement. You have to run the
>engine for one minute, then retorque the bolts,
>run it for two minutes, retorque, run four
>minutes, retorque, run eight minutes,
>retorque....and so on until you reach two hours
>of running. After that you're supposed to
>retorque every two hours of running time. [quote]
>
>Never heard of that, never done it, not had any problems.
>
>[quote] Read Ivo's service bulletin here;
>http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm
>(http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm)about
>using stainless steel tape to detect movement of
>the blades that can lead to blade loss or cracking.[quote]
>
>That is for 3:1 gearboxes, 3 cylinder engines,
>direct drives or other applications that create
>harmonic vibrations. If you are using a 447 with
>a 2.58:1 ratio, or other reduction that does not
>create harmonics, it doesn't apply to you.
>
>[quote] My not so humble opinion is to get rid of it and get another brand.
>Rick Girard [quote]
>
>My not so humble opinion is that I have been
>using my 2 blade 68" Ivo for many years and
>hundreds of hours on my 582 powered MKIII, and I
>like it just fine. I would be quite surprised if
>an Ivo on a 447 is going to be any cause of grief.
>
>--------
>Richard Pike
>Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
>Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,
>the evidence of things not seen.
>Hebrews 11:1
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364446#364446
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your 447 has threaded and unthreaded holes on a 75mm bolt circle. The
> threaded holes are 8mm - 1.25 mm pitch. You want to use 8.8 spec bolts and
> it's easier to use lock nuts to secure them rather than trying to find
> bolts with drilled heads, or drilling them yourself.
>
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For what its worth, I needed some 8.8 bolts for my IVO and couldn't find
them anywhere. I eventually found them at a John Deere tractor supply.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
When I needed some 8.8's , I found them at Advanced Auto , of all
places....They stock the long ones for some reason and can usually
have them next day...Herb
At 11:14 AM 1/21/2012, you wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Richard Girard
><<mailto:aslsa.rng@gmail.com>aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>Your 447 has threaded and unthreaded holes on a 75mm bolt circle.
>The threaded holes are 8mm - 1.25 mm pitch. You want to use 8.8 spec
>bolts and it's easier to use lock nuts to secure them rather than
>trying to find bolts with drilled heads, or drilling them yourself.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>For what its worth, I needed some 8.8 bolts for my IVO and couldn't
>find them anywhere. I eventually found them at a John Deere tractor supply.
>Larry
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Gene, I inherited a very poorly built, damaged aircraft that had been
through 4 owners previous. It had 29 hours on a new engine, most of them
accumulated by the fellow who never assembled the airplane but who would
start it up to hear the vroom, vroom noises. It could not fly the way it
was rigged, in fact its second owner was nearly killed on his first flight
in the plane when it went into a left turn from which he couldn't recover.
Had he not been on the Black Rock desert of Nevada he most likely would not
have survived. Now, after being restored to a mostly plans built airplane
it is a splendid flying aircraft thats only fault is that it is overweight.
I have only documented it here so that others can avoid making the same
mistakes the builder of this one did. Pardon me, but I thought that was the
purpose of this forum.
My comments on the Ivo are based upon what I have encountered with every
one I have had the displeasure to have owned or installed. There are many
well built propellers out there, Ivo IMO is not one of them and I have
documented it.
Since a poorly coupled engine and properly leads to a poorly performing
airplane, for which the airplane gets the unfair blame, I would thing it
prudent to help a new owner get to a harmonious outcome and avoid the
displeasure and danger that can come by following a previous owner's trip
down a rat hole. If that is what you are alleging, then guilty as charged.
Rick
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Why regard the advice of one not so humble person who has had nothing but
> a boat load of trouble with his Kolb projects, when there are lots of
> other satisfied users who have had thousands of trouble free hours with
> the same products?
>
> On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> My not so humble opinion is to get rid or it and get another brand.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? |
Firestar, Is your 503 doing anything that tells you it's time for an
overhaul. The 300 hour TBO is a recommendation only and a properly
maintaned and flown engine will easily go several times that number. The
president of my EAA chapter has 800 hours on his which he calculates as
over 45,000 miles of XC flying.
I don't know Heavenbound Aviation, but you need to know what he is doing
for that $400, what parts he is replacing and where he sources those parts.
Unless you have had a cold seizure, the only thing thing your 503 MIGHT
require is a decarboning. To see for yourself, pull off the exhaust
manifold and check the sides of the pistons for scuffing or galling, that
there isn't a thick layer of carbon on the piston tops and that the rings
are free to move in and out (they won't turn because they are pinned in
place, unlike a four stroke engine) If you don't see anything wrong, put
the exhaust back on and fly.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:49 AM, FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com> wrote:
>
> :D Hey every body, have not posted in a while but I got my FSII all torne
> apart and the engine pulled. I have a 503DCDI with 290 hours on it and
> Rotax says 300 hour TBO so I need to have it rebuilt. Heavanbound Aviation
> is about an hour down the road from my house. I was curious if any body
> has worked with this company before and weather or not they would go back
> for service/rebuild. The guy advertises 400 buck plus parts for overhaul
> on the 503, seemed fair to me? The website is
> www.Heavanboundaviation.com. Let me know what ya'all think.
> Thanks again for your help/input and fly safe
>
> --------
> Low and Slow FireStar II
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364448#364448
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Richard, Those instructions came with both an ultralite Ivo and Magnum that
came to me in 2007. I shipped the Magnum back and never mounted it on my
HKS, but the ultralite was put on a 2.58 B box 447. I used the same
settings on a three blade of unknown year on a 337 powered MiniMax I had
for awhile.
Rick
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote
:
>
> [quote="rickofudall"] Last, do not neglect the torque spec requirement
.
> You have to run the engine for one minute, then retorque the bolts, run i
t
> for two minutes, retorque, run four minutes, retorque, run eight minutes,
> retorque....and so on until you reach two hours of running. After that
> you're supposed to retorque every two hours of running time. [quote]
>
> Never heard of that, never done it, not had any problems.
>
> [quote] Read Ivo's service bulletin here;=EF=BD
> http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm (
> http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm)=EF=BDabout using stainless ste
el tape
> to detect movement of the blades that can lead to blade loss or
> cracking.[quote]
>
> That is for 3:1 gearboxes, 3 cylinder engines, direct drives or other
> applications that create harmonic vibrations. If you are using a 447 with
a
> 2.58:1 ratio, or other reduction that does not create harmonics, it doesn
't
> apply to you.
>
> [quote] My not so humble opinion is to get rid of it and get another bran
d.
> Rick Girard [quote]
>
> My not so humble opinion is that I have been using my 2 blade 68" Ivo for
> many years and hundreds of hours on my 582 powered MKIII, and I like it
> just fine. I would be quite surprised if an Ivo on a 447 is going to be a
ny
> cause of grief.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things no
t
> seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364446#364446
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Herb, When I tried to install a two blade Ivo on a B box 447 on a trike, I
could see the 1/4 inch thick crush plate bending because the spacers were
too thick. If I only torqued the screws that went through the blocks I
could slip an .015" feeler gage between the plate and the blade. I didn't
want to make the assumption that the blocks crush over time so I machined
them to match the blades, end of problem.
Rick
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Richard, Those instructions came with both an ultralite Ivo and Magnum
> that came to me in 2007. I shipped the Magnum back and never mounted it o
n
> my HKS, but the ultralite was put on a 2.58 B box 447. I used the same
> settings on a three blade of unknown year on a 337 powered MiniMax I had
> for awhile.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>wrot
e:
>
>>
>> [quote="rickofudall"] Last, do not neglect the torque spec requiremen
t.
>> You have to run the engine for one minute, then retorque the bolts, run
it
>> for two minutes, retorque, run four minutes, retorque, run eight minutes
,
>> retorque....and so on until you reach two hours of running. After that
>> you're supposed to retorque every two hours of running time. [quote]
>>
>> Never heard of that, never done it, not had any problems.
>>
>> [quote] Read Ivo's service bulletin here;=EF=BD
>> http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm (
>> http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm)=EF=BDabout using stainless st
eel tape
>> to detect movement of the blades that can lead to blade loss or
>> cracking.[quote]
>>
>> That is for 3:1 gearboxes, 3 cylinder engines, direct drives or other
>> applications that create harmonic vibrations. If you are using a 447 wit
h a
>> 2.58:1 ratio, or other reduction that does not create harmonics, it does
n't
>> apply to you.
>>
>> [quote] My not so humble opinion is to get rid of it and get another
>> brand.
>> Rick Girard [quote]
>>
>> My not so humble opinion is that I have been using my 2 blade 68" Ivo fo
r
>> many years and hundreds of hours on my 582 powered MKIII, and I like it
>> just fine. I would be quite surprised if an Ivo on a 447 is going to be
any
>> cause of grief.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
>> not seen.
>> Hebrews 11:1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364446#364446
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp
y.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web |
Lanny, Here's a pic of the spacers I make. Rotax made their propeller
flanges to a size they thought proper to support the propeller. I make my
spacers with flanges to match.
Rick
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>wrote:
>
> Emacs!
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: FAA registration renewal |
Since my s.o. works for a VA engineering dept. and I get to hear all about
the contract problems they have, I'd guess that the FAA had to bid out the
software and either the spec was poorly written or the contractor cut
corners. I took a tour of the enroute facility in Auburn, WA once and got
to hear an earfull about the then failed contract to update software. That
one cost us taxpayers 4+ billion dollars and then the contractor defaulted.
As another aside, I once had a project in a programming class to create a
calendar program that would give the correct day of the week for any date
put in for the common era (what us oldies used to call Anno Dominiae), i.e.
for 2000 years. It was truly a pain in the tush to account for all the
obscure rules about leap years (I never knew about the 400 year rule for
century years before that) and then recode it so it wasn't a spaghetti
program. I got it, but I spent many extra hours getting it just right to
keep my A average going. When I turned it in the instructor told me he
usually gave full credit if the program could account for a single century.
He was nice enough to buy me a shot of my favorite scotch as an extra
credit award when we went to the local watering hole at the end of the
semester, so I guess it was worth it.
Rick
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Howcum these 'errors' are always in their favor?
> do not archve
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> >
> > Richard,
> > Thanks for doing that. The reply, if you get one, should be interesting
> even if not helpful. Or they could surprise us and recognize their error,
> and correct it for you. Then comes the onslaught from others whose
> "renewal" was mis-figured.
> >
> > I suspect the automatic process of on-line renewal was programmed wrong,
> out of ignorance or mis-understanding on the part of the programmer. If
> this is the case, then it would be fairly simple to fix.
> >
> > --------
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> > Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> > Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> > Jabiru 2200A #1574
> > Tennessee Prop 64x32
> >
> > Truth is what stands the test of experience.
> > - Albert Einstein
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> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web |
Rick, That`s a very nice looking spacer. The one on my FSII looks
more like the picture I posted from the Internet. I don`t know if
mine was supplied by IVO or the Old Kolb company, as it was included
with the prop when I bought the FSII kit in 1996. On another note, is
the spacer you make, drilled and tapped for metric bolts or SAE? It
seems from reading other posts that the metric bolts are difficult to
find. Lanny FSII
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
When I needed some 8.8's , I found them at Advanced Auto , of all
places....They stock the long ones for some reason and can usually have
them next day...Herb
At 11:14 AM 1/21/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
when I needed prop bolts for my warp drive on the 912... aircraft
spruce did not show them in the catalog... however when they were
called they had them.
boyd young
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
I dispensed with the spacers last time I used a
two blade... Long time ago...and I think I ran
into the same problem... Herb
At 01:20 PM 1/21/2012, you wrote:
>Herb, When I tried to install a two blade Ivo on
>a B box 447 on a trike, I could see the 1/4 inch
>thick crush plate bending because the spacers
>were too thick. If I only torqued the screws
>that went through the blocks I could slip an
>.015" feeler gage between the plate and the
>blade. I didn't want to make the assumption that
>the blocks crush over time so I machined them to
>match the blades, end of problem.
>
>Rick
>
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Girard
><<mailto:aslsa.rng@gmail.com>aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>Richard, Those instructions came with both an
>ultralite Ivo and Magnum that came to me in
>2007. I shipped the Magnum back and never
>mounted it on my HKS, but the ultralite was put
>on a 2.58 B box 447. I used the same settings on
>a three blade of unknown year on a 337 powered MiniMax I had for awhile.
>
>Rick
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Richard Pike
><<mailto:richard@bcchapel.org>richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
><<mailto:richard@bcchapel.org>richard@bcchapel.org>
>
>[quote="rickofudall"] =C2 Last, do not neglect the
>torque spec requirement. You have to run the
>engine for one minute, then retorque the bolts,
>run it for two minutes, retorque, run four
>minutes, retorque, run eight minutes,
>retorque....and so on until you reach two hours
>of running. After that you're supposed to
>retorque every two hours of running time. [quote]
>
>Never heard of that, never done it, not had any problems.
>
>[quote] Read Ivo's service bulletin here;=EF=BD
><http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm>http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.
htm
>(http://www.ivoprop.com/servicebul2.htm)=EF=BDabout
>using stainless steel tape to detect movement of
>the blades that can lead to blade loss or cracking.[quote]
>
>That is for 3:1 gearboxes, 3 cylinder engines,
>direct drives or other applications that create
>harmonic vibrations. If you are using a 447 with
>a 2.58:1 ratio, or other reduction that does not
>create harmonics, it doesn't apply to you.
>
>[quote] My not so humble opinion is to get rid of it and get another brand.
>Rick Girard [quote]
>
>My not so humble opinion is that I have been
>using my 2 blade 68" Ivo for many years and
>hundreds of hours on my 582 powered MKIII, and I
>like it just fine. I would be quite surprised if
>an Ivo on a 447 is going to be any cause of grief.
>
>--------
>Richard Pike
>Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
>Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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>the evidence of things not seen.
>Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web |
Lanny, I found an outfit in Maryland that has metric fasteners of all
types, even the socket head type that I prefer. The downside is that you
have to buy boxes of 25. The upside is you can get lengths in 5mm
increments so you can fit them up like AN bolts.
http://www.metricmcc.com/catalog/catalog.aspx
Rick
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>wrote:
>
> Rick, That`s a very nice looking spacer. The one on my FSII looks more
> like the picture I posted from the Internet. I don`t know if mine was
> supplied by IVO or the Old Kolb company, as it was included with the prop
> when I bought the FSII kit in 1996. On another note, is the spacer you
> make, drilled and tapped for metric bolts or SAE? It seems from reading
> other posts that the metric bolts are difficult to find. Lanny FSII
>
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
For what its worth, I needed some 8.8 bolts for my IVO and couldn't find
them anywhere. I eventually found them at a John Deere tractor supply.
Larry
Larry C/Kolbers:
I get my 8.8 prop bolts at the local fastener store. Drill the heads myself
for safety wire.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
I agree with you Tom I have a lot more hours with a IVO than a Warp and I h
ad a warp fail me in a short period of flying time
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:31 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2.5" IVO prop spacer
Tom,
Why regard the advice of one not so humble person who has had nothing but
a boat load of trouble with his Kolb projects, when there are lots of othe
r satisfied users who have had thousands of trouble free hours with the sa
me products?
On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
My not so humble opinion is to get rid or it and get another brand.
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| Subject: | Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web |
Lanny, Here's a pic of the spacers I make. Rotax made their propeller
flanges to a size they thought proper to support the propeller. I make my
spacers with flanges to match.
Drive lugs?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
I agree with you Tom I have a lot more hours with a IVO than a Warp and I
had a warp fail me in a short period of flying time
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
I have 3,000+ hours on Warp Drive solid carbon fiber blades over the last 18
years. Never had any kind of problem with WD products, even after sending
exhaust pipes, bolts, etc., through them.
Believe we determined recently the Warp Drive blades Ellery was using at the
time of their failure were probably first generation cored blades built by
the initial Warp Drive Company. Daryl has been the owner/manager of WD for
more than 20 years. His company, the second generation company, has only
produced solid carbon fiber blades. WD is a big producer of solid carbon
fiber blades for the airboat industry, using the same technique to build
them as the UL/light plane community blades. Some of those six blade WD
props are being turned by 350/454 Chevy's, 6 cylinder aircraft engines, and
other high powered exotic hot rod airboat engines. I am sure none of the
air boat gang are using cored WD blades.
I have also flown factory Kolbs with IVO props. They performed well. Only
problem I can remember was the SS tape pulling loose and cutting my fingers
trying to repair and replace.
Remember seeing Ivo walking around Sun and Fun many, many years ago with an
IVO prop over his shoulder. That was his first visit to Lakeland, with his
prop. He was trying to generate interest to get his prop shop up and
running. Cannot remember what year that was, but probably mid-80's.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo spacer, found this picture on the web |
Not for the two stroke version. I have a 912 prop shaft and flange to fit
one up, though. All I'd need to know is how high the drive lugs stick up
above the surface of the flange.
Rick
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> * *
>
> Lanny, Here's a pic of the spacers I make. Rotax made their propeller
> flanges to a size they thought proper to support the propeller. I make my
> spacers with flanges to match.****
>
> ** **
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Drive lugs?****
>
> ** **
>
> john h****
>
> mkIII****
>
> Titus, Alabama****
>
> ** **
>
> *
>
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Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Ellery, if I understand correctly the "warp drive Prop that you had trouble
with was made by a company that doesn't exist anymore, in fact taken over
or purchased by Daryl, the current warp drive manufacturer. Is that
correct? I am a bit confused, in that I have a Warp Drive prop from Daryl
that I recently managed to send a hefty pair of side cutters through, and
it didn't even leave a mark on the blades. I know that they went through
them, because they hit the roof of my hanger and that is 15 feet off the
ground.
If my information is correct and Daryl had nothing to do with the
manufacture of your defective prop, fairness would require me to
differentiate between the two when a discussion of Warp drive props was
mentioned.
Larry
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:17 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> * *
>
> I agree with you Tom I have a lot more hours with a IVO than a Warp and I
> had a warp fail me in a short period of flying time****
>
> *Ellery Batchelder Jr.*****
>
> * *
>
> ** **
>
> I have 3,000+ hours on Warp Drive solid carbon fiber blades over the last
18 years. Never had any kind of problem with WD products, even after send
ing exhaust pipes, bolts, etc., through them.****
>
> ** **
>
> Believe we determined recently the Warp Drive blades Ellery was using at
the time of their failure were probably first generation cored blades built
by the initial Warp Drive Company. Daryl has been the owner/manager of WD
for more than 20 years. His company, the second generation company, has o
nly produced solid carbon fiber blades. WD is a big producer of solid carb
on fiber blades for the airboat industry, using the same technique to build
them as the UL/light plane community blades. Some of those six blade WD
props are being turned by 350/454 Chevy's, 6 cylinder aircraft engines, and
other high powered exotic hot rod airboat engines. I am sure none of the
air boat gang are using cored WD blades.****
>
> ** **
>
> I have also flown factory Kolbs with IVO props. They performed well. On
ly problem I can remember was the SS tape pulling loose and cutting my fing
ers trying to repair and replace.****
>
> ** **
>
> Remember seeing Ivo walking around Sun and Fun many, many years ago with
an IVO prop over his shoulder. That was his first visit to Lakeland, with
his prop. He was trying to generate interest to get his prop shop up and r
unning. Cannot remember what year that was, but probably mid-80's.****
>
> ** **
>
> john h****
>
> mkIII****
>
> Titus, Alabama****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? |
Think you had a typo....try this:
www.heavenboundaviation.com
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1@cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer |
Ace has a good selection of metric bolts, 8.8 and the stronger ones of 10.9 which
is what I buy for the Kolb Suzuki motor.
---- Herb Gayheart <herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
============
When I needed some 8.8's , I found them at Advanced Auto , of all
places....They stock the long ones for some reason and can usually
have them next day...Herb
At 11:14 AM 1/21/2012, you wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Richard Girard
><<mailto:aslsa.rng@gmail.com>aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>Your 447 has threaded and unthreaded holes on a 75mm bolt circle.
>The threaded holes are 8mm - 1.25 mm pitch. You want to use 8.8 spec
>bolts and it's easier to use lock nuts to secure them rather than
>trying to find bolts with drilled heads, or drilling them yourself.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>For what its worth, I needed some 8.8 bolts for my IVO and couldn't
>find them anywhere. I eventually found them at a John Deere tractor supply.
>Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Reputable Rotax engine rebuilders? |
I'm not familiar with heavenboundaviation. However, I have nothing but prai
se for the repair guys at Lockwood Aviation in Florida. They've done work o
n my 503 and 582 and are professional to the core. I use them even though I
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