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Sun 01/29/12


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 04:51 AM - Re: Nose Skid Strip (David d.)
     2. 05:10 AM - Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Pike)
     3. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Dennis Souder)
     4. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Larry Cottrell)
     5. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912 80 hp back-fire on shutdown (Gary Aman)
     6. 12:20 PM - Re: Nose Skid Strip (Rex Rodebush)
     7. 01:05 PM - Fuel pump dripping (David Kulp)
     8. 01:13 PM - What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level (David Kulp)
     9. 01:47 PM - Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level (Gary Aman)
    10. 02:47 PM - Indiana Help (sconner)
    11. 03:05 PM - Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level (GARY JINDRA)
    12. 03:06 PM - Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level (Phil)
    13. 05:12 PM - Re: Nose Skid Strip (David d.)
    14. 06:09 PM - Re: Fuel pump dripping (Jack B. Hart)
    15. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Nose Skid Strip (Richard Girard)
    16. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer (Richard Girard)
    17. 06:44 PM - Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level (Jack B. Hart)
    18. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Nose Skid Strip (Richard Girard)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:51:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose Skid Strip
    From: "David d." <david@PaulowniaTrees.com>
    Okay, after much searching, I found the link to the hoop thingy. http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174 I dont know where the wings forum is, but all info is there except, what is the metal used? From the pictures it could be Al. Steel or Stainless? I have PM ed to Planecrazzzy, but so far no reply. Has any one else built and use one of these? Thanks, David d. -------- Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365086#365086


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    Time: 05:10:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    The Ivo spacer does have a centering boss on the prop side, and a hole cut in it for the drive flange boss, and both of them are snug fits. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365088#365088


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    Time: 05:52:38 AM PST US
    From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
    Subject: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer
    Ok, we are taking about 2 different spacers. The Ivo spacer I was referring to was just a piece of heavy wall tubing with 6 holes drilled thru in the axial direction for the prop bolts. Everything hung on the prop bolts themselves. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer The Ivo spacer does have a centering boss on the prop side, and a hole cut in it for the drive flange boss, and both of them are snug fits. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365088#365088


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    Time: 06:32:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer
    From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    I have the one that is described by Dennis. Any one have an idea as to where I can get one that might be more stable? Larry On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Dennis Souder <flykolb@pa.net> wrote: > > Ok, we are taking about 2 different spacers. The Ivo spacer I was > referring > to was just a piece of heavy wall tubing with 6 holes drilled thru in the > axial direction for the prop bolts. Everything hung on the prop bolts > themselves. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:08 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer > > > The Ivo spacer does have a centering boss on the prop side, and a hole cut > in it for the drive flange boss, and both of them are snug fits. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not > seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365088#365088 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.*


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    Time: 08:38:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912 80 hp back-fire on shutdown
    From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
    Ernest, It takes fuel, air, and a source of ignition,probably outside of the combus tion chamber.Something hot enough in the exhaust to set off the charge,too much air with fuel in it,or too low of an octane .Look for any leaks in the exhaust close to the heads. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> st@matronics.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 12:36 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: RotaxEngines-List: 912 80 hp back-fire on shutdown There are two distinct and opposing conditions that could cause your engine to backfire. Too rich an idle mixture letting unburned fuel slip by the va lves into an exhaust system already heated by high EGT's when the power is pulled back on approach. Or the mixture is too lean and it's on the verge o f running on after the ignition is shut off.(my Harley used to do this on w arm up when I pulled the choke off too early). What is your idle RPM before the stabilization run? Is it different after t he stabilization run? If your heart can stand the strain, let it backfire one last time and immed iately look at the plugs. Do the same after a stabilization run and note if there's any difference. Rick Girard On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, ejessee <eejessee@us.ibm.com> wrote: --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "ejessee" <eejessee@us.ibm.com> Hello all, I did a search in the forum with "backfire", "back-fire", and "back fire" w ith no results, So here goes.... I have an 80 hp 912 UL on a Zenith 701. When I return to my hangar after f light, unless I do a 2 -3 minute stabilization run at 2100 RPM, my 912 back fires like a shotgun when I turn it off. I have newly rebuilt carbs, perfe ctly balanced carbs, plugs at .024. The engine runs perfect, uses no oil. My exhaust stacks are heat-wrapped. As severely as it backfires, I am afr aid I am going to damage my exhaust system. Anyone else ever experience this? Anybody know what is causing it. Is som ething wrong or is this just the nature of the engine. AS always, thanks for your help. This forum is a fantastic resource. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365064#365064 -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-Li st http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 12:20:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose Skid Strip
    From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush@gmail.com>
    David, That's a nice skid but not mine. If you are on the BBS Matronics forum just hit the search at the top. I have about 4 or 5 pictures. I made mine from standard aircraft 4130 steel tubing. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365155#365155


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    Time: 01:05:53 PM PST US
    From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net>
    Subject: Fuel pump dripping
    Kolbers, I developed two concerns while flying yesterday. Maybe that's the price you pay to have weather suitable for flying in January in PA!! I do two seperate posts... I have both an electric and pulse fuel pumps and I take off with the electric pump on and switch it off when I'm at altitude. Yesterday when I was preparing to go I found fuel dripping from the hole in the bottom of the pulse pump. When I turned the electric pump off it stopped, turned it on and it dripped again. I took my last flight but had the electric pump off from TO to L. I don't know what's inside the pulse pump or the workings of the electric pump, so if any of you are familiar enough with either or both maybe you could direct me to, first, which pump is malfunctioning and second, in what way. I'd appreciate any input from anyone familiar, because I'm not. Thanks, Dave Kulp FireFly 11DMK Do Not Archive


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    Time: 01:13:41 PM PST US
    From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net>
    Subject: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level
    Hi again, Kolbers, I have a tear in the fabric circumferentially around the tube that runs diagonally from the boom tube to the tail wheel and a wrinkle up both sides to the upper tube. I don't know what goes on inside the triangular piece of vertical stab beneath the level of the elevator, so I don't know if the problem is just fabric or something with the tube inside. Does anyone have a photo of the tubing of that section of a FF uncovered so that I can see what it's like inside? Or perhaps a scan of p. 5 of the builder's blueprint? I don't want to cut the fabric if it's only a fabric malfunction, but I don't want to land with a broken tail wheel assy, either. Thanks for any enlightenment. Something most of us can use from time to time... Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Do Not Archive


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    Time: 01:47:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level
    From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
    Dave, The tail wheel spring slides into the steel tubing of the tail post assy.Bu t that tube is only about 3-4" long and a piece of aluminum tube is riveted to it and goes up the rest of the way to the fuselage tube.That aluminum t ube has more than likely broken at the end of the steel.The twisting loads that the tail wheel puts on this assy. when you turn sharply does this.Grab the vertical fin and shake the tail side to side and you can see this .Joh n Hauck made a nice fix for this issue and a lot of us have made the modifi cation .I have a picture or two. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:13 pm Subject: Kolb-List: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level Hi again, Kolbers, I have a tear in the fabric circumferentially around the tube that runs diagonally from the boom tube to the tail wheel and a wrinkle up both sides to the upper tube. I don't know what goes on inside the triangular piece of vertical stab beneath the level of the elevator, so I don't know if the problem is just fabric or something with the tube inside. Does anyone have a photo of the tubing of that section of a FF uncovered so that I can see what it's like inside? Or perhaps a scan of p. 5 of the builder's blueprint? I don't want to cut the fabric if it's only a fabric malfunction, but I don't want to land with a broken tail wheel assy, either. Thanks for any enlightenment. Something most of us can use from time to time... Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Do Not Archive


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    Time: 02:47:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Indiana Help
    From: "sconner" <subs@brandy-scott.com>
    Looking at purchasing a partially complete M3Xtra. I have never built a plane or even tried. Just looking for someone in Indidana, preferably North central that I could meet up with, check out their plane and get a feel of what I will need to do to finish this project. Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365166#365166


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    Time: 03:05:37 PM PST US
    From: GARY JINDRA <gajindra@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level
    Gary I put the tail wheel spring clamp from JBM that you suggested on my =0Aplane.It's amazing how much it tightens up the tail wheel spring in the vertical =0Astab.Also installed Johns vertical stab braces.Sure strengthens side motion on =0Athe Mark 3.The list is certainly a wealth of knowledge. =0A-=0AGary Jindra=0AMark 3=0Areceived airworthiness 11-18-11=0A14 hours =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol. com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, January 29, 2012 4:44:03 PM =0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator l evel=0A=0ADave,=0AThe tail wheel spring slides into the steel tubing of the tail post assy.But =0Athat tube is only about 3-4" long and a piece of alu minum tube is riveted to it =0Aand goes up the rest of the way to the fusel age tube.That aluminum tube has more =0Athan likely broken at the end of th e steel.The twisting loads that the tail =0Awheel puts on this assy. when y ou turn sharply does this.Grab the vertical fin =0Aand shake the tail side to side and you can see this .John Hauck made a nice fix =0Afor this issue and a lot of us have made the modification .I have a picture or =0Atwo. =0A =0AG.Aman=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: David Kulp <undoctor@p td.net>=0ATo: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:13 pm=0ASubject: Kolb-List: What's inside the vertical stab below elevat net> Hi again, =0AKolbers, I have a tear in the fabric circumferentia lly around the tube that =0Aruns diagonally from the boom tube to the tai l wheel and a wrinkle up both =0Asides to the upper tube. I don't know w hat goes on inside the triangular =0Apiece of vertical stab beneath the l evel of the elevator, so I don't know if =0Athe problem is just fabric or something with the tube inside. Does anyone =0Ahave a photo of the tubi ng of that section of a FF uncovered so that I can see =0Awhat it's like inside? Or perhaps a scan of p. 5 of the builder's blueprint? =0AI don' t want to cut the fabric if it's only a fabric malfunction, but I don't =0Awant to land with a broken tail wheel assy, either. Thanks for any =0Aenlightenment. Something most of us can use from time to time... D ave Kulp =0ABethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Do Not Archive =0Aget="_b lank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =0Atp://forums.matronic s.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A


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    Time: 03:06:50 PM PST US
    From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level
    Dave - you mean inside? Here we go: http://phactor.com/Dave1.jpg http://phactor.com/Dave2.jpg Building my Firefly now. Phil H. FF11-4-00076 --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote: From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level Dave, The tail wheel spring slides into the steel tubing of the tail post assy.But that tube is only about 3-4" long and a piece of aluminum tube is riveted to it and goes up the rest of the way to the fuselage tube.That aluminum tube has more than likely broken at the end of the steel.The twisting loads that the tail wheel puts on this assy. when you turn sharply does this.Grab the vertical fin and shake the tail side to side and you can see this .John Hauck made a nice fix for this issue and a lot of us have made the modification .I have a picture or two. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 4:13 pm Subject: Kolb-List: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level Hi again, Kolbers, I have a tear in the fabric circumferentially around the tube that runs diagonally from the boom tube to the tail wheel and a wrinkle up both sides to the upper tube. I don't know what goes on inside the triangular piece of vertical stab beneath the level of the elevator, so I don't know if the problem is just fabric or something with the tube inside. Does anyone have a photo of the tubing of that section of a FF uncovered so that I can see what it's like inside? Or perhaps a scan of p. 5 of the builder's blueprint? I don't want to cut the fabric if it's only a fabric malfunction, but I don't want to land with a broken tail wheel assy, either. Thanks for any enlightenment. Something most of us can use from time to time... Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Do Not Archive get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 05:12:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose Skid Strip
    From: "David d." <david@PaulowniaTrees.com>
    Thanks Rex, but yours was installed as your plane was built. I have a Mk III that I recently purchased and want the add on type. And it can be removed easily later. With out knowing I will build it with steel or stainless. David d. -------- Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365174#365174


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    Time: 06:09:48 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel pump dripping
    At 04:02 PM 1/29/12 -0500, you wrote: > >Kolbers, > > ........................ >I don't know what's inside the pulse pump or the workings of the >electric pump, so if any of you are familiar enough with either or both >maybe you could direct me to, first, which pump is malfunctioning and >second, in what way. I'd appreciate any input from anyone familiar, >because I'm not. > Dave, Looks like the pulse pump diaphragm is starting to leak a little. Time to rebuild or replace your pulse pump. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester IN


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    Time: 06:21:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose Skid Strip
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Had one on my Mk IIIC. Lasted about .5 seconds when the runway was about 3 feet too high. About the only thing I can imagine it might be good for is preventing a nose over if you get a little anxious with the throttle, otherwise it's just dead weight. Rick Girard On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:48 AM, David d. <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote: > > Okay, after much searching, I found the link to the hoop thingy. > > http://wingsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=174 > > I dont know where the wings forum is, but all info is there except, what > is the metal used? From the pictures it could be Al. Steel or Stainless? > > I have PM ed to Planecrazzzy, but so far no reply. > > Has any one else built and use one of these? > > Thanks, > David d. > > -------- > Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365086#365086 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 06:31:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Larry, I make the spindle style prop spacer of 2024-T3 aircraft alloy, furnish them with with metric socket head cap screws for spacer and prop mounts and I sell them for 1/2 what Warp Drive charges. Rick Girard On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>wrote: > I have the one that is described by Dennis. Any one have an idea as to > where I can get one that might be more stable? > Larry > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Dennis Souder <flykolb@pa.net> wrote: > >> >> Ok, we are taking about 2 different spacers. The Ivo spacer I was >> referring >> to was just a piece of heavy wall tubing with 6 holes drilled thru in the >> axial direction for the prop bolts. Everything hung on the prop bolts >> themselves. >> >> Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike >> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:08 AM >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 2.5" IVO prop spacer >> >> >> The Ivo spacer does have a centering boss on the prop side, and a hole cut >> in it for the drive flange boss, and both of them are snug fits. >> >> -------- >> Richard Pike >> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org >> Kingsport, TN 3TN0 >> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not >> seen. >> Hebrews 11:1 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365088#365088 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx


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    Time: 06:44:34 PM PST US
    From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
    Subject: Re: What's inside the vertical stab below elevator level
    Dave, I copied part of page 4 of the FireFly assembly book, and I have sent it as an attachment. To help explain the assembly, I marked all of the steel welded components that make up the boom tube attachment ring and vertical stabilizer post with a red dot. All components not marked are assembled aluminum parts. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN At 04:10 PM 1/29/12 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi again, Kolbers, > >I have a tear in the fabric circumferentially around the tube that runs >diagonally from the boom tube to the tail wheel and a wrinkle up both >sides to the upper tube. I don't know what goes on inside the >triangular piece of vertical stab beneath the level of the elevator, so >I don't know if the problem is just fabric or something with the tube >inside. Does anyone have a photo of the tubing of that section of a FF >uncovered so that I can see what it's like inside? Or perhaps a scan of >p. 5 of the builder's blueprint? I don't want to cut the fabric if it's >only a fabric malfunction, but I don't want to land with a broken tail >wheel assy, either. > >Thanks for any enlightenment. Something most of us can use from time to >time... > >Dave Kulp >Bethlehem, PA >FireFly 11DMK > >Do Not Archive


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    Time: 07:15:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nose Skid Strip
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    David, Stainless is tough but not strong, depending on alloy, you'd have to get into the precipitation hardened alloys to get close to what 4130 gives. Paint can make it as pretty as stainless and it might actually do some good. I still think if you use a judicious hand on the throttle and don't mash the brakes they are dead weight and drag. Rick Girard On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:09 PM, David d. <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote: > > Thanks Rex, but yours was installed as your plane was built. I have a Mk > III that I recently purchased and want the add on type. And it can be > removed easily later. With out knowing I will build it with steel or > stainless. > David d. > > -------- > Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365174#365174 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx




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