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1. 08:04 AM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (Jack B. Hart)
2. 10:20 AM - Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not. (TomD2)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (Phil)
4. 12:12 PM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (Michael Welch)
5. 12:37 PM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (Richard Girard)
6. 12:40 PM - Re: Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not. (Richard Girard)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: Condition inspection task list. (stogie6)
8. 02:03 PM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (Phil)
9. 02:33 PM - (chris davis)
10. 03:10 PM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (Dana Hague)
11. 03:52 PM - Re: Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not. (Kirk Smith)
12. 04:10 PM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (John Hauck)
13. 04:28 PM - Re: CARB ICING 912 (John Hauck)
14. 04:53 PM - Re: (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: CARB ICING 912 |
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
>.................My Jabiru is the most readily icing I have experienced. It
is well removed from all heat sources and really gets your attention at ANY
throttle setting when it happens. If there is DEW, I got the heat on. My
heat source is a conductive element attached to the throttle shaft boss on
the Bing 64. It is the size of a stack of silver dollars an inch and a
quarter high, attached by two screws,and externally grounded with two
terminals, one for 30 watts and both for 60 I think. Super simple and
effective................
>
Kolbers,
I have experienced icing with both the Bing and Tillotson carburetors. This
looked like another solution to the problem.
I searched the web until I found it at:
http://www.motionaero.com/Products-Accessories.html
The Tillotson carburetor uses a throttle butterfly and so the carburetor is
prone to icing. As the idle jet fuel flow exit is just past the butterfly
when it is in the closed position. This makes it a prime location for ice
formation which blocks the idle fuel flow.
I searched the web and found some small stud bolt heaters that are used on
carburetors of KTM motorcycles.
http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-950-adventure-carburetor-de-icing-kit
The kit for the twin includes a temperature switch and two heaters plus some
connecting wire. I copied out the order info below:
Item Sku Qty Subtotal
KTM 950 Adventure Carburetor De-Icing Kit 60031003044 1 $30.00
Subtotal $30.00
Shipping & Handling $12.00
Grand Total $42.00
I believe the heaters are rated at 10 watts, so they will draw leas than one
ampere. I drilled the bottom of the Tillotson carburetor just one down wind
of the idle fuel flow port to accept one of these heaters. This position
puts the heat at the point were the ice would form and block the fuel flow.
If the weather remains cold, I will put up a page on how it was done.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not. |
Gentlemen and any ladies,
After a long hiatus due to medical reasons and a new email address I have returned!
(Who is this guy anyways?)
I am in the market for a cage to continue my dusty mkiii classic project. Why not
buy from Kolb you ask? I don't have 10 grand I reply. Well then perhaps you
shouldn't be building an experimental aircraft you may retort. That being aside
it would be greatly appreciated if anyone understanding my plight might take
a look out in the barn over their unfinished or damaged project and consider
parting for a reasonable price.
My best to all,
TomD :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365896#365896
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| Subject: | Re: CARB ICING 912 |
Hi Jack: I'm holding my Tillotson in my hand. I would love to know exactly
where you drilled :)
A few months ago I bought a few 12v 50 Watt Halogen lamps (eBay item #12064
9527177 - they're cheap) and thought I might like to explore placing one of
them, wrapped in foil or some other insulator and securely attached to the
carb body near the idle fuel port, wired to an On/Off switch plus LED indi
cator (to tell whenever the bulb burns out) located somewhere near my contr
ols.
I just measured the current flow at around 3.45amps, which is "close enough
" (41 watts) for what I'm doing (amps x volts = watts). I'm amazed at the
free, still-air temperature of around 450 degrees F I just registered on m
y kitchen counter:
http://phactor.com/50w.jpg
Then, I guess it's "Carb Heat On!" as a normal part of any landing, departu
re, or any other flight event where loss of power is very undesirable.
But I'm still building my new FireFly so I can only play with stuff on the
kitchen counter right now...
Phil H
FF11-4-076
--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CARB ICING 912
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
>.................My Jabiru is the most readily icing I have experienced. I
t
is well removed from all heat sources and really gets your attention at ANY
throttle setting when it happens. If there is DEW, I got the heat on. My
heat source is a conductive element attached to the throttle shaft boss on
the Bing 64. It is the size of a stack of silver dollars an inch and a
quarter high, attached by two screws,and externally grounded with two
terminals, one for 30 watts and both for 60 I think. Super simple and
effective................
>
Kolbers,
I have experienced icing with both the Bing and Tillotson carburetors.- T
his
looked like another solution to the problem.
I searched the web until I found it at:
http://www.motionaero.com/Products-Accessories.html
The Tillotson carburetor uses a throttle butterfly and so the carburetor is
prone to icing.- As the idle jet fuel flow exit is just past the butterfl
y
when it is in the closed position. This makes it a prime location for ice
formation which blocks the idle fuel flow.
I searched the web and found some small stud bolt heaters that are used on
carburetors of KTM motorcycles.
http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-950-adventure-carburetor-de-icing-kit
The kit for the twin includes a temperature switch and two heaters plus som
e
connecting wire.- I copied out the order info below:
-
Item- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Sku- - - ---Qty Subtotal- -
KTM 950 Adventure Carburetor De-Icing Kit 60031003044- 1- $30.00- -
--
Subtotal- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - $30.00---
Shipping & Handling- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - ---$12.00---
Grand Total- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - ---$42.00---
I believe the heaters are rated at 10 watts, so they will draw leas than on
e
ampere.- I drilled the bottom of the Tillotson carburetor just one down w
ind
of the idle fuel flow port to accept one of these heaters.- This position
puts the heat at the point were the ice would form and block the fuel flow.
If the weather remains cold, I will put up a page on how it was done.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: CARB ICING 912 |
Phil,
Using a light bulb wrapped in foil may be a horrible idea, at least as
far as a carb de-icer goes.
There's no telling how long that bulb would last, and it darn sure isn't
something you aren't concerned
if it burned out, just when you need it most.
A light bulb 'expects' to lose all the heat by radiating it away from
the bulb. If a guy were to wrap
that little sucker, he 'may' be reducing it's lifespan by a HUGE amount.
Flying in known icing conditions
might be the wrong time to find out your foil coated bulb has design
flaws.
Ever notice that light bulbs in your house in enclosed spaces burn out
quicker than those in open air?
Heat is the light bulb's biggest enemy.
Obviously, the MUCH better choice would be to copy Jack's M/C carb ice
gizmo.
Time for Jack to take photos.
Regarding carb icing; I evaded the likeliness of icing up by going
with fuel injection and a turbocharger.
I have to 'cool down' my intake air (with an intercooler)!! I also have
a manual method for Air/Fuel
Ratio changes, augmenting the ECU.
The only ice I want jingles in liquid libation.
Mike Welch
On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Phil wrote:
> Hi Jack: I'm holding my Tillotson in my hand. I would love to know
exactly where you drilled :)
>
> A few months ago I bought a few 12v 50 Watt Halogen lamps (eBay item
#120649527177 - they're cheap) and thought I might like to explore
placing one of them, wrapped in foil or some other insulator and
securely attached to the carb body near the idle fuel port, wired to an
On/Off switch plus LED indicator (to tell whenever the bulb burns out)
located somewhere near my controls.
>
> I just measured the current flow at around 3.45amps, which is "close
enough" (41 watts) for what I'm doing (amps x volts = watts). I'm
amazed at the free, still-air temperature of around 450 degrees F I just
registered on my kitchen counter:
> http://phactor.com/50w.jpg
>
> Then, I guess it's "Carb Heat On!" as a normal part of any landing,
departure, or any other flight event where loss of power is very
undesirable.
>
> But I'm still building my new FireFly so I can only play with stuff on
the kitchen counter right now...
>
> Phil H
> FF11-4-076
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/8/12, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CARB ICING 912
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
>
<jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:22:39 -0500 (EST)
>
> >.................My Jabiru is the most readily icing I have
experienced. It
> is well removed from all heat sources and really gets your attention
at ANY
> throttle setting when it happens. If there is DEW, I got the heat on.
My
> heat source is a conductive element attached to the throttle shaft
boss on
> the Bing 64. It is the size of a stack of silver dollars an inch and a
> quarter high, attached by two screws,and externally grounded with two
> terminals, one for 30 watts and both for 60 I think. Super simple and
> effective................
> >
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I have experienced icing with both the Bing and Tillotson carburetors.
This
> looked like another solution to the problem.
>
> I searched the web until I found it at:
>
> http://www.motionaero.com/Products-Accessories.html
>
> The Tillotson carburetor uses a throttle butterfly and so the
carburetor is
> prone to icing. As the idle jet fuel flow exit is just past the
butterfly
> when it is in the closed position. This makes it a prime location for
ice
> formation which blocks the idle fuel flow.
>
> I searched the web and found some small stud bolt heaters that are
used on
> carburetors of KTM motorcycles.
>
> http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-950-adventure-carburetor-de-icing-kit
>
> The kit for the twin includes a temperature switch and two heaters
plus some
> connecting wire. I copied out the order info below:
>
> Item Sku Qty Subtotal
> KTM 950 Adventure Carburetor De-Icing Kit 60031003044 1 $30.00
> Subtotal $30.00
> Shipping & Handling $12.00
> Grand Total $42.00
>
> I believe the heaters are rated at 10 watts, so they will draw leas
than one
> ampere. I drilled the bottom of the Tillotson carburetor just one
down wind
> of the idle fuel flow port to accept one of these heaters. This
position
> puts the heat at the point were the ice would form and block the fuel
flow.
>
> If the weather remains cold, I will put up a page on how it was done.
>
> Jap; -->
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CARB ICING 912 |
Not to mention that if the glass on the bulb breaks, for the instant that
it survives it's a yellow hot gasoline detonator.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Using a light bulb wrapped in foil may be a horrible idea, at least as
> far as a carb de-icer goes.
> There's no telling how long that bulb would last, and it darn sure isn't
> something you aren't concerned
> if it burned out, just when you need it most.
>
> A light bulb 'expects' to lose all the heat by radiating it away from
> the bulb. If a guy were to wrap
> that little sucker, he 'may' be reducing it's lifespan by a HUGE amount.
> Flying in known icing conditions
> might be the wrong time to find out your foil coated bulb has design flaws.
>
> Ever notice that light bulbs in your house in enclosed spaces burn out
> quicker than those in open air?
> Heat is the light bulb's biggest enemy.
>
> Obviously, the MUCH better choice would be to copy Jack's M/C carb ice
> gizmo.
>
> Time for Jack to take photos.
>
> Regarding carb icing; I evaded the likeliness of icing up by going with
> fuel injection and a turbocharger.
> I have to 'cool down' my intake air (with an intercooler)!! I also have a
> manual method for Air/Fuel
> Ratio changes, augmenting the ECU.
>
> The only ice I want jingles in liquid libation.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Phil wrote:
>
> Hi Jack: I'm holding my Tillotson in my hand. I would love to know exactly
> where you drilled :)
>
> A few months ago I bought a few 12v 50 Watt Halogen lamps (eBay item
> #120649527177 - they're cheap) and thought I might like to explore placing
> one of them, wrapped in foil or some other insulator and securely attached
> to the carb body near the idle fuel port, wired to an On/Off switch plus
> LED indicator (to tell whenever the bulb burns out) located somewhere near
> my controls.
>
> I just measured the current flow at around 3.45amps, which is "close
> enough" (41 watts) for what I'm doing (amps x volts = watts). I'm amazed at
> the free, still-air temperature of around 450 degrees F I just registered
> on my kitchen counter:
> http://phactor.com/50w.jpg
>
> Then, I guess it's "Carb Heat On!" as a normal part of any landing,
> departure, or any other flight event where loss of power is very
> undesirable.
>
> But I'm still building my new FireFly so I can only play with stuff on the
> kitchen counter right now...
>
> Phil H
> FF11-4-076
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/8/12, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CARB ICING 912
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
>
> >
>
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com<http://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zeprep251@aol.com>
> >
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:22:39 -0500 (EST)
>
> >.................My Jabiru is the most readily icing I have experienced.
> It
> is well removed from all heat sources and really gets your attention at
> ANY
> throttle setting when it happens. If there is DEW, I got the heat on. My
> heat source is a conductive element attached to the throttle shaft boss on
> the Bing 64. It is the size of a stack of silver dollars an inch and a
> quarter high, attached by two screws,and externally grounded with two
> terminals, one for 30 watts and both for 60 I think. Super simple and
> effective................
> >
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I have experienced icing with both the Bing and Tillotson carburetors.
> This
> looked like another solution to the problem.
>
> I searched the web until I found it at:
>
> http://www.motionaero.com/Products-Accessories.html
>
> The Tillotson carburetor uses a throttle butterfly and so the carburetor
> is
> prone to icing. As the idle jet fuel flow exit is just past the butterfly
> when it is in the closed position. This makes it a prime location for ice
> formation which blocks the idle fuel flow.
>
> I searched the web and found some small stud bolt heaters that are used on
> carburetors of KTM motorcycles.
>
> http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-950-adventure-carburetor-de-icing-kit
>
> The kit for the twin includes a temperature switch and two heaters plus
> some
> connecting wire. I copied out the order info below:
>
> Item Sku Qty Subtotal
> KTM 950 Adventure Carburetor De-Icing Kit 60031003044 1 $30.00
> Subtotal $30.00
> Shipping & Handling $12.00
> Grand Total $42.00
>
> I believe the heaters are rated at 10 watts, so they will draw leas than
> one
> ampere. I drilled the bottom of the Tillotson carburetor just one down
> wind
> of the idle fuel flow port to accept one of these heaters. This position
> puts the heat at the point were the ice would form and block the fuel
> flow.
>
> If the weather remains cold, I will put up a page on how it was done.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not. |
Tom, A new cage from Kolb is only $3800. Still a lot of money, but better
than $10K.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM, TomD2 <zabydoo89@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen and any ladies,
> After a long hiatus due to medical reasons and a new email address I have
> returned! (Who is this guy anyways?)
>
> I am in the market for a cage to continue my dusty mkiii classic project.
> Why not buy from Kolb you ask? I don't have 10 grand I reply. Well then
> perhaps you shouldn't be building an experimental aircraft you may retort.
> That being aside it would be greatly appreciated if anyone understanding my
> plight might take a look out in the barn over their unfinished or damaged
> project and consider parting for a reasonable price.
>
> My best to all,
> TomD :)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365896#365896
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Condition inspection task list. |
Dennis,
I sent you a checklist to your email account. I am using this for my condition
inspection.
--------
David F. Jones
Kolb KXP
N71RB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365914#365914
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| Subject: | Re: CARB ICING 912 |
All true, and $42 is cheap. But if one designs the enclosure "properly", ov
erheating, broken glass, burning out, etc. is all factored in. Duct tape is
out. So is Elmer's glue. And I should not have suggested "foil".
Plus, I'm interested in manual control, and a visual that it's operating pr
operly (LED). I'll bet you could hook up an LED to that ktm-950 gizmo, too.
That would rule.
Plus, isn't that half the fun, creating and testing your own gadgets? Subje
cting them to torture and testing on the bench (for hours, days, etc.), and
not in the plane?
But, yes, would still love to see pics, Jack.
Phil H
--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CARB ICING 912
Not to mention that if the glass on the bulb breaks, for the instant that i
t survives it's a yellow hot gasoline detonator.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wro
te:
Phil,
- Using a light bulb wrapped in foil may be a horrible idea, at least as
far as a carb de-icer goes.
There's no telling how long that bulb would last, and it darn sure isn't so
mething you aren't concerned
if it -burned out, just when you need it most.
- A light bulb 'expects' to lose all the heat by radiating it away from t
he bulb. -If a guy were to wrap-
that little sucker, he 'may' be reducing it's lifespan by a HUGE amount.
-Flying in known icing conditions
might be the wrong time to find out your foil coated bulb has design flaws.
- Ever notice that light bulbs in your house in enclosed spaces burn out
quicker than those in open air?-
Heat is the light bulb's biggest enemy.-
- Obviously, the MUCH better choice would be to copy Jack's M/C carb ice
gizmo.
--
- Time for Jack to take photos.
- Regarding carb icing; -I evaded the likeliness of icing up by going w
ith fuel injection and a turbocharger.
I have to 'cool down' my intake air (with an intercooler)!! -I also have
a manual method for Air/Fuel-
Ratio changes, augmenting the ECU.
- The only ice I want jingles in liquid libation.
Mike Welch
On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Phil wrote:
Hi Jack: I'm holding my Tillotson in my hand. I would love to know exactly
where you drilled :)
A few months ago I bought a few 12v 50 Watt Halogen lamps (eBay item #12064
9527177 - they're cheap) and thought I might like to explore placing one of
them, wrapped in foil or some other insulator and securely attached to the
carb body near the idle fuel port, wired to an On/Off switch plus LED indi
cator (to tell whenever the bulb burns out) located somewhere near my contr
ols.
I just measured the current flow at around 3.45amps, which is "close enough
" (41 watts) for what I'm doing (amps x volts = watts). I'm amazed at the
free, still-air temperature of around 450 degrees F I just registered on m
y kitchen counter:
http://phactor.com/50w.jpg
Then, I guess it's "Carb Heat On!" as a normal part of any landing, departu
re, or any other flight event where loss of power is very undesirable.
But I'm still building my new FireFly so I can only play with stuff on the
kitchen counter right now...
Phil H
FF11-4-076
--- On Wed, 2/8/12, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CARB ICING 912
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
>.................My Jabiru is the most readily icing I have experienced. I
t
is well removed from all heat sources and really gets your attention at ANY
throttle setting when it happens. If there is DEW, I got the heat on. My
heat source is a conductive element attached to the throttle shaft boss on
the Bing 64. It is the size of a stack of silver dollars an inch and a
quarter high, attached by two screws,and externally grounded with two
terminals, one for 30 watts and both for 60 I think. Super simple and
effective................
>
Kolbers,
I have experienced icing with both the Bing and Tillotson carburetors.- T
his
looked like another solution to the problem.
I searched the web until I found it at:
http://www.motionaero.com/Products-Accessories.html
The Tillotson carburetor uses a throttle butterfly and so the carburetor is
prone to icing.- As the idle jet fuel flow exit is just past the butterfl
y
when it is in the closed position. This makes it a prime location for ice
formation which blocks the idle fuel flow.
I searched the web and found some small stud bolt heaters that are used on
carburetors of KTM motorcycles.
http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-950-adventure-carburetor-de-icing-kit
The kit for the twin includes a temperature switch and two heaters plus som
e
connecting wire.- I copied out the order info below:
-
Item- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Sku- - - ---Qty Subtotal- -
KTM 950 Adventure Carburetor De-Icing Kit 60031003044- 1- $30.00- -
--
Subtotal- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - $30.00---
Shipping & Handling- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - ---$12.00---
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I believe the heaters are rated at 10 watts, so they will draw leas than on
e
ampere.- I drilled the bottom of the Tillotson carburetor just one down w
ind
of the idle fuel flow port to accept one of these heaters.- This position
puts the heat at the point were the ice would form and block the fuel flow.
If the weather remains cold, I will put up a page on how it was done.
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Kolbers , I dont believe this is off suject as I have it to fly my Kolb and
I cant afford it since I crashed in a Kolb and can no longer earn the mone
y I used to . =0A------ I have a place for sale it is listed on
"Barstormers" under "airport property "search for"old Florida flyin" and i
t will take you to the ad for 4 acres a hanger , a house , and a 3000 ft gr
ass runway . l if you are interested and cant find the ad email me off list
and I will send it to you , Thanks Chris----- email capedavis@ya
hoo.com=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from c
rash building Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: CARB ICING 912 |
I looked at the numbers for electric carburetor heat a couple of years ago.
Using the FAA specification of 90=B0F temperature rise of the incoming air
at
75% power, and calculating the airflow into the Cuyuna engine on my
Ultrastar, I calculated that it would require 1500W (a 912, of course,
would require more)... meaning that a 50W bulb in the air intake would do
little or nothing.
If you're heating the carburetor body to prevent ice from adhering, perhaps
it might require less heat, but I don't think that much less.
Remember, your "free still air" temperature is going to be a lot higher
than a carburetor of a running engine with air flowing inside and outside
it, and active cooling from air acceleration and fuel atomization.
-Dana
At 01:16 PM 2/8/2012, Phil wrote:
>Hi Jack: I'm holding my Tillotson in my hand. I would love to know exactly
>where you drilled :)
>
>A few months ago I bought a few 12v 50 Watt Halogen lamps (eBay item
>#120649527177 - they're cheap) and thought I might like to explore placing
>one of them, wrapped in foil or some other insulator and securely attached
>to the carb body near the idle fuel port, wired to an On/Off switch plus
>LED indicator (to tell whenever the bulb burns out) located somewhere near
>my controls.
>
>I just measured the current flow at around 3.45amps, which is "close
>enough" (41 watts) for what I'm doing (amps x volts = watts). I'm amazed
>at the free, still-air temperature of around 450 degrees F I just
>registered on my kitchen counter:
><http://phactor.com/50w.jpg>http://phactor.com/50w.jpg
>
>Then, I guess it's "Carb Heat On!" as a normal part of any landing,
>departure, or any other flight event where loss of power is very
undesirable.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not. |
Sent you a private email with pics.
-----Original Message-----
From: TomD2
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for MKIIIC cage; airworthy or not.
Gentlemen and any ladies,
After a long hiatus due to medical reasons and a new email address I have
returned! (Who is this guy anyways?)
I am in the market for a cage to continue my dusty mkiii classic project.
Why not buy from Kolb you ask? I don't have 10 grand I reply. Well then
perhaps you shouldn't be building an experimental aircraft you may retort.
That being aside it would be greatly appreciated if anyone understanding my
plight might take a look out in the barn over their unfinished or damaged
project and consider parting for a reasonable price.
My best to all,
TomD :)
Read this topic online here:
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Then, I guess it's "Carb Heat On!" as a normal part of any landing,
departure, or any other flight event where loss of power is very
undesirable.
Phil H
Doubt you are going to need carb heat during takeoff or other full throttle
operation.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Regarding carb icing; I evaded the likeliness of icing up by going with
fuel injection and a turbocharger.
I have to 'cool down' my intake air (with an intercooler)!! I also have a
manual method for Air/Fuel
Ratio changes, augmenting the ECU.
The only ice I want jingles in liquid libation.
Mike Welch
Don't have to worry about ice on the ground.
When is that bird going to fly so you can look for ice?
Please note: This is in jest.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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Chris/Kolbers:
Is the airstrip part of your property, or a flyin community?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Kolbers , I dont believe this is off suject as I have it to fly my Kolb and
I cant afford it since I crashed in a Kolb and can no longer earn the money
I used to .
I have a place for sale it is listed on "Barstormers" under "airport
property "search for"old Florida flyin" and it will take you to the ad for 4
acres a hanger , a house , and a 3000 ft grass runway . l if you are
interested and cant find the ad email me off list and I will send it to you
, Thanks Chris email capedavis@yahoo.com
Chris Davis
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