---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/25/12: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:40 AM - Re: rotax377 (Thom Riddle) 2. 06:37 AM - Kolb Mark III or Slingshot wing on Firestar II (SAILNROCK) 3. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: rotax377 (chris davis) 4. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: rotax377 (chris davis) 5. 01:30 PM - KAWASAKI (chris davis) 6. 04:03 PM - Re: KAWASAKI (Dennis Souder) 7. 05:09 PM - Re: KAWASAKI (Rick Neilsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: rotax377 From: "Thom Riddle" I've owned two early Firestars. The first one was built very light and ran a 377. Its climb performance was as good or better than the 2nd one which was built heavy and ran a 447. A suspect a light Firefly would have excellent performance with a 377. BTW, for reasons unknown to me, the 377 was far less persnickety regarding prop pitch and mixture tweaks to get proper EGT readings under various flight regimes, than the 447. I think others have had similar experience. If I didn't need the extra 5 hp, the 377 would be my preference. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367217#367217 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:24 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III or Slingshot wing on Firestar II From: "SAILNROCK" Happy new year to one and all. Has any one put Mark III or Slingshot wings on a firestar II ? If so how did it go? Able to get gross Wt. up and use the Mark III Flaps? How did they attach to FSII cage. How did it fly. Just thinking and asking. Out west we are getting some great Fly'n in between the wind. Happy and safe Fly'n Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367224#367224 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:10 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: rotax377 Thanks for that Dennis I respect you opinion. Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AK XP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dennis Souder =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:34 PM =0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: rotax377=0A=0A=0AChris,=0A-=0AAs best I ca n recall, there was not much difference between the 377 and 447.=0A-=0ADe nnis=0A-=0A-=0AFrom:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis=0ASent: Friday, Fe bruary 24, 2012 10:35 AM=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Kolb- List: Re: rotax377=0A-=0AThank you Mike=0A=0A=0AHow does the 377 perform ,what is your climb rate? take off distance etc / thanks again you are the first 377 flyer of any aircraft that- I-have heard from!-=0AChris Dav is=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0AFrom:mburdge39 =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:12 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: rota net>=0A=0AI have a 377 on my Firefly. The provision 4 takes an "A" gearbox while the provision 8 takes a "B" gearbox(plus others). The Ski-doo snowmob iles have neither provision and you must use a belt reduction drive.=0A=0A- -------=0AMike=0AFirefly=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367094#367094=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAtt achments: =0A=0Ahttp://forummatronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List" target=_bl ank>http://www.matronics.com=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - &nbs=================== =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A ============= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:00 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: rotax377 Thanks Thom I will put that in my book !=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0AFrom: Thom Riddle =0ATo: kolb -list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:40 AM=0ASubject: " =0A=0AI've owned two early Firestars. The first one w as built very light and ran a 377. Its climb performance was as good or bet ter than the 2nd one which was built heavy and ran a 447. A suspect a light Firefly would have excellent performance with a 377. =0A=0ABTW, for reason s unknown to me, the 377 was far less persnickety regarding prop pitch and mixture tweaks to get proper EGT readings under various flight regimes, tha n the 447. I think others have had similar experience. If I didn't need the extra 5 hp, the 377 would be my preference.=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0A Buffalo, NY (9G0)=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 64x32=0A=0ATruth is what stands the test of experience.=0A- Albert Ein stein=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matroni - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:27 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: KAWASAKI KOLBERS, Has anyone flown a Kolb with a KAWASAKI 440 air cooled ? or do you know anyone who has? Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:54 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: KAWASAKI Chris, Good engines as I recall, Sky Cycle uses them. Trying to remember, but I think some have been using the Kawis all along. I think they are lighter than Rotax. As a manufacturer we went with the proven Rotax w. gearbox, but now that Rotax is fading from the 2-stroke scene. I would prefer the separate V-belt drives. A well designed redrive using the newer 3VX belts would be my preference over the poly-v belt. Less tension is needed. If a poly-V looses a little tension you can loose a lot of power. But a V-belt drive uses less tension and less likely to looses substantial power suddenly. A well designed V-belt reduction is only slightly less efficient than a synchronous belt with much less chance of torsional vibration issues. Dennis From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: KAWASAKI KOLBERS, Has anyone flown a Kolb with a KAWASAKI 440 air cooled ? or do you know anyone who has? Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KAWASAKI From: Rick Neilsen Hay Dennis Last time I talked to you it seems like you were working on the design of a new airplane. Anything new to report? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Dennis Souder wrote: > Chris,**** > > ** ** > > Good engines as I recall, Sky Cycle uses them. Trying to remember, but I > think some have been using the Kawis all along. I think they are lighter > than Rotax. As a manufacturer we went with the proven Rotax w. gearbox, > but now that Rotax is fading from the 2-stroke scene=85**** > > I would prefer the separate V-belt drives. A well designed redrive using > the newer 3VX belts would be my preference over the poly-v belt. Less > tension is needed. If a poly-V looses a little tension you can loose a l ot > of power. But a V-belt drive uses less tension and less likely to looses > substantial power suddenly. A well designed V-belt reduction is only > slightly less efficient than a synchronous belt with much less chance of > torsional vibration issues.**** > > ** ** > > Dennis**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *chris davis > *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:29 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: KAWASAKI**** > > ** ** > > KOLBERS, Has anyone flown a Kolb with a KAWASAKI 440 air cooled ? or do > you know anyone who has? > > **** > > **** > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly**** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.