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1. 05:16 AM - Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft (Dennis Thate)
2. 08:01 AM - Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft (Richard Pike)
3. 08:27 AM - Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft (Dennis Thate)
4. 08:51 AM - Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight (Lanny Fetterman)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight (Michael Welch)
6. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft (Dana Hague)
7. 04:46 PM - Sun 'n Fun event in Lakeland, Florida! (Dennis Thate)
8. 08:29 PM - Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft |
http://flake.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=276424
Good News !
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| Subject: | Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft |
Interesting. The FAA refers to ultralights as vehicles and uses that as it's justification
for not providing ATC services to ultralights - because they are legally
not aircraft. So now a different branch of the feds are going to refer
to them as aircraft after all. Be interesting to see how this plays out, or maybe
the feds will simply choose to ignore this particular aspect of their cognitive
dissonance.
Unfortunately, anybody flying near the border will probably learn first hand that
while the feds will turn a blind eye to illegals coming into the country, drugs
are a whole nuther ball game. Also known as follow the money...
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft |
Good point ! I guess they figure they can 'double standard' when it comes to
'THE WAR ON DRUGS'.
BTW. .... I haven't heard anyone use Cognitive Dissonance since my Freshman
College Social Psychology Class. [Wink]
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| Subject: | Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight |
I can just picture two F-18`s escorting a Quicksilver MX. Can you say
S-turns? Lanny N598LF Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight |
On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:
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> I can just picture two F-18`s escorting a Quicksilver MX. Can you say
S-turns? Lanny N598LF Do not archive
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Lanny,
I can picture those F-18 pilots screaming past them, showing one
finger for english, or two fingers for spanish.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight |
Aircraft
At 11:00 AM 3/21/2012, Richard Pike wrote:
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>Interesting. The FAA refers to ultralights as vehicles and uses that as
>it's justification for not providing ATC services to ultralights - because
>they are legally not aircraft.
A common misconception. I don't have the references handy, but the
definitions section of the FARs defines "aircraft" as anything that
flies. Part 91 applies to "aircraft other than ultralight vehicles", but
never says that an ultralight isn't an aircraft... rather, an "ultralight
vehicle" is a type of "aircraft". So this new law is stupid, language
reiterating something that is already law. But it makes politicians feel
good...
-Dana
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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to
teenage boys.
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| Subject: | Sun 'n Fun event in Lakeland, Florida! |
FAA Safety Forum Schedule :
Forum Schedule. On the schedule you will find a webinar link for each forum session.
http://qrs.ly/471nfnz
http://faasafety.gov/QR/Forums.PDF
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| Subject: | Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft |
I disagree. "Part 91 Subpart AGeneral 91.1 Applicability.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section and 91.701 and
91.703, this part prescribes rules governing the operation of aircraft (other
than moored balloons, kites, unmanned rockets, and unmanned free balloons, which
are governed by part 101 of this chapter, and ultralight vehicles operated
in accordance with part 103 of this chapter) within the United States, including
the waters within 3 nautical miles of the U.S. coast."
FAR part 103 always refers to Ultralights as vehicles, never as aircraft.
On a more personal level, I spent most of my ATC career at TRI, and (back in 1983-1987)
because of this very issue, I finally licensed my Part 103 legal Hummer
as an Experimental Homebuilt under part 91. The regional office told the tower
chief who then briefed all of us that U/L vehicles could not be given any
ATC services because there was no way of ascertaining if the operator could adhere
to ATC instructions, (no license or knowledge requirements) and since there
were no requirements for ultralight vehicles to have altimeters or compasses,
it was impossible to issue instructions requiring headings or altitudes because
there was no way to know if they could be carried out. The fact that I had
a radio and was a known licensed pilot was irrelevant.
Since my airstrip is just inside the class D, (used to be called the Airport Traffic
Area) trying to deal with the hoop-jumping-through of part 103 was a real
hassle.
If they have changed that since I retired, I would be interested to hear about
it and read the applicable regs if you have a part and paragraph quote.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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