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1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight Aircraft (Dana Hague)
2. 01:49 PM - Amelia Earhart, evidence "circumstantial" but &qu (Dennis Thate)
3. 03:49 PM - Re: Amelia Earhart, evidence "circumstantial" but &qu (kinne russ)
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| Subject: | Re: Gabrielle Gifford's Drug Bill Targets Ultralight |
Aircraft
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
=A7 1.1 General definitions.
Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in
the air.
91.1(a) says it it applies to "aircraft other than... ultralight
vehicles". It doesn't say that an "ultralight vehicle" isn't an aircraft,
just that it's not subject to Part 91.
The FAA has ruled that ultralights are a legitimate "aeronautical activity"
and must be allowed at any airport receiving federal funds, except where it
would be unsafe to do so. Ultralights DO need prior permission to enter
Class D, unlike an N-numbered plane which merely has to "establish
contact-- this usually means a phone call first, not a radio call 5 miles
out--- but it's generally allowed if it's not too busy. I know of guys who
regularly fly PPGs into towered fields.
I used to fly PPG with a group operating from a sod farm that was barely
(about 1/4 mile) inside a class D. We had no radios, and just had to call
the tower first. The rules were stay below 200' and depart the class
D. We lost it because some clown in a PPC (not one of our group) was
flying there without permission, and flying low over the town. When I
talked [unsuccessfully] with the local FSDO about restoring permission, I
asked about flying in to the airport itself in my Ultrastar, and was told
no problem, just call the tower first.
-Dana
At 11:29 PM 3/21/2012, Richard Pike wrote:
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>I disagree. "Part 91 Subpart A=94General =C2=A7 91.1 Applicability.
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>(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section and
>=C2=A7=C2=A791.701 and 91.703, this part prescribes rules governing the
operation
>of aircraft (other than moored balloons, kites, unmanned rockets, and
>unmanned free balloons, which are governed by part 101 of this chapter,
>and ultralight vehicles operated in accordance with part 103 of this
>chapter) within the United States, including the waters within 3 nautical
>miles of the U.S. coast."
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>FAR part 103 always refers to Ultralights as vehicles, never as aircraft.
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>On a more personal level, I spent most of my ATC career at TRI, and (back
>in 1983-1987) because of this very issue, I finally licensed my Part 103
>legal Hummer as an Experimental Homebuilt under part 91. The regional
>office told the tower chief who then briefed all of us that U/L vehicles
>could not be given any ATC services because there was no way of
>ascertaining if the operator could adhere to ATC instructions, (no license
>or knowledge requirements) and since there were no requirements for
>ultralight vehicles to have altimeters or compasses, it was impossible to
>issue instructions requiring headings or altitudes because there was no
>way to know if they could be carried out. The fact that I had a radio and
>was a known licensed pilot was irrelevant.
>
>Since my airstrip is just inside the class D, (used to be called the
>Airport Traffic Area) trying to deal with the hoop-jumping-through of part
>103 was a real hassle.
>
>If they have changed that since I retired, I would be interested to hear
>about it and read the applicable regs if you have a part and paragraph
quote.
>
>--------
>Richard Pike
>Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
>Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
>seen.
>Hebrews 11:1
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>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369111#369111
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>
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| Subject: | Amelia Earhart, evidence "circumstantial" but &qu |
Now, some folks from the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery have
enhanced a photo from 1937 that they say shows what may be the landing gear
of her plane near the island of Nikumaroro, in what is now the nation of Kiribati.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-amelia-earhart-20120321,0,7442466.story
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369165#369165
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| Subject: | Re: Amelia Earhart, evidence "circumstantial" but &qu |
Denis
Jut FYI I have met & talked with Gillespie of the TIGHAR, and got the impression
that, frankly, he saw whatever he wanted to see.
I'm not impressed with this "new' old pic, and I frankly doubt if AE's Lockheed
really landed on the reef and then was washed off into 1600' of water.
But that's me. I'm a suspicious sort.
But I do wish him luck.
Russ K
On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Thate wrote:
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> Now, some folks from the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery have
enhanced a photo from 1937 that they say shows what may be the landing gear
of her plane near the island of Nikumaroro, in what is now the nation of Kiribati.
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> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-amelia-earhart-20120321,0,7442466.story
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