---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/28/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:57 AM - Re: twinstar MK II info (Pat Ladd) 2. 05:16 AM - Re: twinstar MK II info (Herb Gayheart) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: twinstar MK II info (cristalclear13) 4. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: twinstar MK II info (Herb Gayheart) 5. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: twinstar MK II info (b young) 6. 09:45 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9Cgood?= guy =?ISO-8859-1?Q?law=9D?= Private Strips (Dennis Thate) 7. 01:34 PM - Wing Cradle Dimensions... (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det) 8. 01:45 PM - Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... (Michael Welch) 9. 01:59 PM - Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... (jackinkeywest) 10. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... (kinne russ) 11. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... (Robert Laird) 12. 05:03 PM - Re: Sun and Fun 2012 (tombaisley) 13. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Sun and Fun 2012 (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:52 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: twinstar MK II info what are the operating limitations on this aircraft such >> Does no one ever think of asking the manufacturers this sort of stuff?. . They have all this at their fingertips and would be delighted to have another owners name and address. to add to their data bank. They can supply or put you in touch with the suppliers of anything you may need and will help you in any way they can. They are nice people and in these straightened times could probably do with anything which may lead to a sale. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:03 AM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: twinstar MK II info Pat I think the Mk II is an orphan... The design died back at the old Kolb factory...same with the earlier Ultra Star... The last I knew the New New Kolb will build and support the Two versions of the MKIII,. the Firestar and its variants and the Firefly...Might even build a Kolbra or Slingshot? Good question for Travis...what's in the stable? Then again...they are likely at Sun N Fun... Herb At 06:57 AM 3/28/2012, you wrote: >what are the operating limitations on this aircraft such >> > >Does no one ever think of asking the manufacturers this sort of stuff?. >. They have all this at their fingertips and would be delighted to >have another owners name and address. to add to their data bank. >They can supply or put you in touch with the suppliers of anything >you may need and will help you in any way they can. They are nice >people and in these straightened times could probably do with >anything which may lead to a sale. > >Pat > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II info From: "cristalclear13" pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > what are the operating limitations on this aircraft such >> > > Does no one ever think of asking the manufacturers this sort of stuff?. > . They have all this at their fingertips > Pat > Actually I remembered last night that the scan I provided did come from the only specs documentation Travis or Dennis from The New Kolb Aircraft Co. had on the Mark II Twinstar. The New Kolb Aircraft Co. never did sell the Mark II kit (it was before their time), but they will help as much as possible since they do have information about it. They have always been very helpful with me when I had a question or needed a part. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 Private Pilot Aug 2008 ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008 Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369460#369460 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:41 AM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II info The wing is quite similar to the Firestar and Firefly version...Same ribs and same spar... 5 inch... Root rib is different, but the new Firestar version should work...Drag spar and main spar H section could be the same as the Firestar II? Near as I know there are only two rib designs in all of the Kolbs from the US forward... So...NNK can sell you ribs, spars and boom tubes for them... Aluminum tubing naturally..Cro Molly too... Landing gear legs....Wheels and brakes... Spar to lift strut bolts...H sections... for spar and tail boom... All that I can think of at the moment. Travis loves to sell parts...!! :-) Herb At 07:25 AM 3/28/2012, you wrote: > > > >pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > what are the operating limitations on this aircraft such >> > > > > Does no one ever think of asking the manufacturers this sort of stuff?. > > . They have all this at their fingertips > > Pat > > > > >Actually I remembered last night that the scan I provided did come >from the only specs documentation Travis or Dennis from The New Kolb >Aircraft Co. had on the Mark II Twinstar. > >The New Kolb Aircraft Co. never did sell the Mark II kit (it was >before their time), but they will help as much as possible since >they do have information about it. They have always been very >helpful with me when I had a question or needed a part. > >-------- >Cristal Waters >Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Sept 2007 >Private Pilot Aug 2008 >ELSA Repairman for N193Y April 2008 >Rotax 2 stroke maintenance April 2009 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369460#369460 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:33 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II info lmorgan100(at)charter.net wrote: > Hi All, > what are the operating limitations on this aircraft such as VNE and also how to calculate weight and balance. > I am sure it has been asked before but I could not locate the info. > thanks for any help, > Lee.. after reading this mornings mail, something happened and the light turned on...[ reverse senior moment] I went to my archive and found an article, I am guessing it is a reprint from ultra light flying magazine December 1993, there are 4 pages 11 X 17 on the firestar II the specifications is a small corner of the last page. Firestar II (with two seats) specifications engine rotax 447 wing span 27 ft 8 in wing area 149 sq ft length 20 ft 3 in empty weight 275 lbs gross weight 725 lbs fuel capacity 10 gal cruise speed 60 mph vne 90 mph rate of climb 650 fpm ( with 2 people) takeoff distance 250 ft (with two people ) Kolb Company Phoenixvile, pa it would take some time but I could scan the article in sections and send to any one who would need it. boyd y mkiii ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=9Cgood?= guy =?ISO-8859-1?Q?law=9D?= Private Strips From: "Dennis Thate" Yesthe bill has been introduced! It adds non-commercial aviation activities to the Recreational Use Statutes in Minnesota. The RUS is called the good guy lawbasically, if you allow people to use your land WITHOUT CHARGE and dont CREATE a problem (like digging a ditch across a runway) that you cant be sued. Heres a link to our bill in Minnesota http://theraf.org/menu/recreational-use-statutes https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=S2377.0.html&session=ls87 Get Involved ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369472#369472 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Wing Cradle Dimensions... From: "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" Hello fellow 'Kolbers', I am new to the list (first time posting...). I recently purchased a Kolb Mark III Classic (M3C) that I will have to transport in an enclosed 24' car hauler/trailer to its new home in Key West, FL. The wings have been removed from the plane and I would like to pre-build a wing dolly/cradle to safely hold the wings for the long ride. Does anyone have drawings or instructions I could build a wing dolly or cradle from? Thanks in advance, Jack Lockamy Key West, FL Kolb Mark III-C w/582 --------------------------- Ex Co-Owner: Cirrus SR-20 Ex Builder/Owner: RV-7A Ex Builder/Owner: Sonex TD Ex Builder/Owner: Sonerai II TD ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing Cradle Dimensions... From: Michael Welch Hi Jack, You might consider one of these; if this is something you are interested in, let me know and I'll see if I can come up with some dimensions for you. BTW, it makes rolling your plane around on your shop floor mighty easy, es[ecially whe you add my handy-dandy front wheel dollys, too. Mike Welch MkIII Xtra wannabe On Mar 28, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det wrote: > Hello fellow 'Kolbers', > > I am new to the list (first time posting...). I recently purchased a Kolb Mark III Classic (M3C) that I will have to transport in an enclosed 24' car hauler/trailer to its new home in Key West, FL. The wings have been removed from the plane and I would like to pre-build a wing dolly/cradle to safely hold the wings for the long ride. > > Does anyone have drawings or instructions I could build a wing dolly or cradle from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jack Lockamy > Key West, FL > Kolb Mark III-C w/582 > --------------------------- > Ex Co-Owner: Cirrus SR-20 > Ex Builder/Owner: RV-7A > Ex Builder/Owner: Sonex TD > Ex Builder/Owner: Sonerai II TD ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... From: "jackinkeywest" Hi Mike, Thanks for the pics and reply. That is a cradle I can definitely use once I get the wings hung again and start transporting the plane to/from the field. For this first transport, I am looking to build a plywood cradle for the two wings so I can strap them against the wall of the car hauler. I just need the dimensions of the wings so I can make my cut-outs in the plywood and lay down some old carpet or foam for padding against the surfaces. Something cheap, easy to build but sturdy enoughto handle the long ride. Thanks again! Jack in Key West Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369489#369489 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... From: kinne russ Jack-in-Cayo-Hueso How long is your 'long ride'? Just curious do not archive On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:58 PM, jackinkeywest wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for the pics and reply. That is a cradle I can definitely use once I get the wings hung again and start transporting the plane to/from the field. > > For this first transport, I am looking to build a plywood cradle for the two wings so I can strap them against the wall of the car hauler. I just need the dimensions of the wings so I can make my cut-outs in the plywood and lay down some old carpet or foam for padding against the surfaces. Something cheap, easy to build but sturdy enoughto handle the long ride. > > Thanks again! > > Jack in Key West > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369489#369489 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wing Cradle Dimensions... From: Robert Laird Jack -- When I transport my Kolb long distances, I use broad nylon straps to suspend them from the ceiling of the enclosed trailer I have, and then padded the wings on both sides with moving blankets (and padded the straps from the wing LE with foam rubber). They made the trip from California to Texas without a problem, and saved me the trouble of constructing cradles. -- Robert On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, kinne russ wrote: > > Jack-in-Cayo-Hueso > How long is your 'long ride'? > Just curious > do not archive > > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:58 PM, jackinkeywest wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Thanks for the pics and reply. That is a cradle I can definitely use > once I get the wings hung again and start transporting the plane to/from > the field. > > > > For this first transport, I am looking to build a plywood cradle for the > two wings so I can strap them against the wall of the car hauler. I just > need the dimensions of the wings so I can make my cut-outs in the plywood > and lay down some old carpet or foam for padding against the surfaces. > Something cheap, easy to build but sturdy enoughto handle the long ride. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Jack in Key West > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369489#369489 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2012 From: "tombaisley" any pics? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369500#369500 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2012 From: Larry Cottrell of what? On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM, tombaisley wrote: > > any pics? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369500#369500 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.