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1. 07:17 AM - Re: Eroding EAA Benefits (Thom Riddle)
2. 12:54 PM - AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS)
3. 01:13 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Dennis Thate)
4. 01:24 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Michael Welch)
5. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Eroding EAA Benefits (chris davis)
6. 03:10 PM - Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis)
7. 03:11 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (b young)
8. 03:22 PM - Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (planecrazzzy)
9. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis)
10. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (David Kulp)
11. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (David Kulp)
12. 05:08 PM - Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (George Alexander)
13. 05:12 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Beauford)
14. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis)
15. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis)
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| Subject: | Re: Eroding EAA Benefits |
So much for EAA cleaning house. Now they are looking for more employees. See
http://www.eaa.org/careers/
I think I'll move to Oshkosh and become a "janitorial worker" for EAA :-).
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | AN hardware - Cadmium plated |
Kolb Friends -
We all use AN hardware for building our airplanes.
Just this week, I learned that Cadmium is highly toxic. Common sources
categorize it as an "extremely toxic heavy metal," with very low
permissible exposure limits. In fact, the US Government issued a
directive in 2007 that forbids the use of any product containing Cadmium
for any new systems being developed. (I wonder what the Air Force uses
to hold the F-22 together?)
This is probably related to the fact that sales of NiCad rechargeable
batteries are now greatly restricted.
Yikes! I feel like I've been living in a fish bowl all these years,
because I did not know any of this.
Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in
absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that
stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford - had to
throw that in! he he he)
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated |
http://medicaljournal.blogspot.com/2007/05/cadmium-poisoning.html
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated |
Dennis,
Were you been?! Cadmium has always had a fairly well-known reputation
for being toxic to human types.
Evidently you never heard of the story of the homeless guy who was
using a refrigerator grill as a campfire
cooking grill. According to the story, every time he cooked his meals
(rats, cats, or slow dogs), he got a
decent sized dose of cadmium poisoning.
Cadmium, being one of the heavy elements, is a little like lead
poisoning. It can cause irreversible liver and
kidney damage, if you expose your innards to it long enough......like
cooking a herd of cats, and grilling them
on your favorite Whirlpool fridge grill.
Funny you mention metal poisoning. I still have a little vial of
mercury my cousin stole from high school
chemistry class. I used to play with the stuff in my hands. It doesn't
seem to have any long term ill-effects,
lucky for me. long term ill-effects, lucky for me, long term...uh,
nevermind.
But to answer your question about handling cadmium plated bolts and
screws, etc, in the construction of
our airplanes, no, there is no danger. The danger is from breathing
fumes, and eating grilled rat, evidently.
Clyde, and Jack Lockamy,
I haven't had a chance to get out to my shop. I'm working intensely
on a patent application, which I'm doing
my darnedest to get finished by Monday. In order to do you justice on
that boom stand, I was going to draw it
and give all the dimensions, etc. Please give me a day or so to get at
it, unless you just absolutely, positively
gotta have it right now! And if that's the case, I'll give up my dreams
of being a gazillionaire, and fetch them
numbers. (I promise to have them by tomorrow afternoon at the latest.
By then, I'll need a different view other
than this dopey computer, anyway.
Mike Welch
On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS
wrote:
> Kolb Friends '
>
> We all use AN hardware for building our airplanes.
>
> Just this week, I learned that Cadmium is highly toxic. Common
sources categorize it as an =93extremely toxic heavy metal,=94 with very
low permissible exposure limits. In fact, the US Government issued a
directive in 2007 that forbids the use of any product containing Cadmium
for any new systems being developed. (I wonder what the Air Force uses
to hold the F-22 together?)
> This is probably related to the fact that sales of NiCad rechargeable
batteries are now greatly restricted.
>
> Yikes! I feel like I=92ve been living in a fish bowl all these years,
because I did not know any of this.
>
> Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result
in absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that
stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford ' had to
throw that in! he he he)
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3
> New Mexico
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Eroding EAA Benefits |
looks like some great bennies I wonder if they hire the handicapped?=0A=0A
=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash build
ing Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thom Riddle <r
iddletr@gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, April 27,
2012 10:17 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Eroding EAA Benefits=0A=0A--> Kolb
-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>=0A=0ASo much fo
r EAA cleaning house. Now they are looking for more employees. See=0Ahttp:/
/www.eaa.org/careers/=0A=0AI think I'll move to Oshkosh and become a "janit
orial worker" for EAA :-).=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY (9G0)
=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 64x32=0A=0AT
ruth is what stands the test of experience.=0A- Albert Einstein=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Stewart water based aircraft finish |
Kolbers has any of you tried the Stewart water based aircraft finishes?I ma
y end up covering my Firefly in the basement and the Stitts fumes might jus
t cost me my marriage!-- Does anyone know-anything good or bad about
this company? thanks-- Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGl
ider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated |
Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in
absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that
stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford - had to
throw that in! he he he)
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3
New Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vi'e hadneled tehm a bnuch, adn im' oakyoybddo not
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
I think it's water born , not water base....
.
There's a difference ...
.
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
I am not familiar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not the s
tinky chemical's--that Stitts and all the other fabric dope companies
- use but what I would like to know is Has any Kolber used it or know any
one that has?=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled
from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASe
nt: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:22 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water
<planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>=0A=0AI think it's water born , not water base....
=0A.=0A- There's a difference ...=0A.=0A- - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - Gotta Fly...=0A=0A--------=0A.
=0A.=0A.=0A.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
Chris,
Here's a good web page about water based/waterborne paint.
http://www.center4sight.com/drr
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
On 4/27/2012 6:50 PM, chris davis wrote:
> I am not familiar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not
> the stinky chemical's that Stitts and all the other fabric dope
> companies use but what I would like to know is Has any Kolber used it
> or know anyone that has?
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
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> Dralle, List Admin.======
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
Chris,
I just spoke to my ophthalmologist and he told me it's been a long time
since he sprayed off a car. So try this page...
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0907_water_based_car_paint/viewall.html
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
On 4/27/2012 7:10 PM, David Kulp wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Here's a good web page about water based/waterborne paint.
> http://www.center4sight.com/drr
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
> FireFly 11DMK
>
>
> On 4/27/2012 6:50 PM, chris davis wrote:
>> I am not familiar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not
>> the stinky chemical's that Stitts and all the other fabric dope
>> companies use but what I would like to know is Has any Kolber used
>> it or know anyone that has?
>> Chris Davis
>> KXP 503 492 hrs
>> Glider Pilot
>> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>>
>> -->
>>
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>> Dralle, List Admin.======
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
capedavis(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Kolbers has any of you tried the Stewart water based aircraft finishes?I may
end up covering my Firefly in the basement and the Stitts fumes might just cost
me my marriage! Does anyone know anything good or bad about this company?
thanks Chris
>
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
Chris:
Am helping a friend restore a 1946 Aeronca Chief using the Stewart system.
Currently have covered one wing and have applied the first brush coat of paint.
Another will be applied at 90 deg. Work will continue on covering the remainder
of the plane to this same point. Finish coats will then be applied to the
entire a/c. So far, so good.
In addition to the issue of fumes, there is reportedly a considerable weight savings.
Will keep you apprised as we progress.
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | AN hardware - Cadmium plated |
Dennis Kirby Wrote.
Just this week, I learned that Cadmium is highly toxic
Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in
absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that stogies
and gin are just as good for you?
(Sorry, Beauford - had to throw that in! he he he)
-----------------------------------------------------
Brother Kirby.
Re: Toxins.
Not to worry, sir. The formidable Mrs. Beauford has been out of town for a
couple of weeks, but I compensate
by substituting an AN-3 bolt and a couple of 960 washers for the usual
olives in the Beefeaters. Have not
yet cracked the code on getting the AN stuff to stay lit long enough to
smoke it.likely not as tasty as a Macanudo anyway.
If you are interested, I have a four-page, single- spaced list of things,
activities and my in-laws which are guaranteed to
kill the average Kolber before the cadmium on AN hardware.
Worth what ye paid fer it.
beauford
FF-076 (it's high on the list.)
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
David , was that a joke , that web site is for a Doctor=0A=0A,or did you ju
st mean that we could protect or sight by using a water BORNE paint-=0ACh
ris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building F
irefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Kulp <undocto
r@ptd.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:
10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish=0A
=0A=0AChris,=0A=0AHere's a good web page about water based/waterborne paint
.- =0Ahttp://www.center4sight.com/drr=0A=0ADave Kulp=0ABethlehem, PA=0AFi
reFly 11DMK=0A=0A=0AOn 4/27/2012 6:50 PM, chris davis wrote: =0AI am not fa
miliar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not the stinky chemi
cal's--that Stitts and all the other fabric dope companies- use but w
hat I would like to know is Has any Kolber used it or know anyone that has?
=0A>=0A>Chris Davis=0A>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from cra
sh building Firefly=0A>=0A>=0A>-->=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish |
George thank you for that responce I will try to stay in touch with the pro
ject you are working on , the weight savings is great as i am going to try
to ,make it a legal ultralight.=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGli
der Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: George Alexander <gtalexander@att.net>=0ATo: kolb-li
st@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:08 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-Li
st: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message post
ed by: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>=0A=0A=0Acapedavis(at)yahoo.
com wrote:=0A> Kolbers has any of you tried the Stewart water based aircraf
t finishes?I may end up covering my Firefly in the basement and the Stitts
fumes might just cost me my marriage!- Does anyone know anything good or
bad about this company? thanks- Chris=0A>- =0A>- =0A>- Chris Davis
=0A> KXP 503 492 hrs=0A> Glider Pilot=0A> Disabled from crash building Fire
fly=0A=0A=0AChris:=0AAm helping a friend restore a 1946 Aeronca Chief using
the Stewart system.=0A=0ACurrently have covered one wing and have applied
the first brush coat of paint.- Another will be applied at 90 deg.- Wor
k will continue on covering the remainder of the plane to this same point.
- Finish coats will then be applied to the entire a/c.- So far, so good
.=0A=0AIn addition to the issue of fumes, there is reportedly a considerabl
e weight savings.=0A=0AWill keep you apprised as we progress.=0A=0A--------
=0AGeorge Alexander=0AFS II R503- N709FS=0Ahttp://www.oh2fly.net=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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