---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/27/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:17 AM - Re: Eroding EAA Benefits (Thom Riddle) 2. 12:54 PM - AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS) 3. 01:13 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Dennis Thate) 4. 01:24 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Michael Welch) 5. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Eroding EAA Benefits (chris davis) 6. 03:10 PM - Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis) 7. 03:11 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (b young) 8. 03:22 PM - Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (planecrazzzy) 9. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis) 10. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (David Kulp) 11. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (David Kulp) 12. 05:08 PM - Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (George Alexander) 13. 05:12 PM - Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated (Beauford) 14. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis) 15. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish (chris davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Eroding EAA Benefits From: "Thom Riddle" So much for EAA cleaning house. Now they are looking for more employees. See http://www.eaa.org/careers/ I think I'll move to Oshkosh and become a "janitorial worker" for EAA :-). -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371889#371889 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: AN hardware - Cadmium plated From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" Kolb Friends - We all use AN hardware for building our airplanes. Just this week, I learned that Cadmium is highly toxic. Common sources categorize it as an "extremely toxic heavy metal," with very low permissible exposure limits. In fact, the US Government issued a directive in 2007 that forbids the use of any product containing Cadmium for any new systems being developed. (I wonder what the Air Force uses to hold the F-22 together?) This is probably related to the fact that sales of NiCad rechargeable batteries are now greatly restricted. Yikes! I feel like I've been living in a fish bowl all these years, because I did not know any of this. Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford - had to throw that in! he he he) Dennis Kirby Mark-3 New Mexico ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:35 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: AN hardware - Cadmium plated From: "Dennis Thate" http://medicaljournal.blogspot.com/2007/05/cadmium-poisoning.html -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371916#371916 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AN hardware - Cadmium plated From: Michael Welch Dennis, Were you been?! Cadmium has always had a fairly well-known reputation for being toxic to human types. Evidently you never heard of the story of the homeless guy who was using a refrigerator grill as a campfire cooking grill. According to the story, every time he cooked his meals (rats, cats, or slow dogs), he got a decent sized dose of cadmium poisoning. Cadmium, being one of the heavy elements, is a little like lead poisoning. It can cause irreversible liver and kidney damage, if you expose your innards to it long enough......like cooking a herd of cats, and grilling them on your favorite Whirlpool fridge grill. Funny you mention metal poisoning. I still have a little vial of mercury my cousin stole from high school chemistry class. I used to play with the stuff in my hands. It doesn't seem to have any long term ill-effects, lucky for me. long term ill-effects, lucky for me, long term...uh, nevermind. But to answer your question about handling cadmium plated bolts and screws, etc, in the construction of our airplanes, no, there is no danger. The danger is from breathing fumes, and eating grilled rat, evidently. Clyde, and Jack Lockamy, I haven't had a chance to get out to my shop. I'm working intensely on a patent application, which I'm doing my darnedest to get finished by Monday. In order to do you justice on that boom stand, I was going to draw it and give all the dimensions, etc. Please give me a day or so to get at it, unless you just absolutely, positively gotta have it right now! And if that's the case, I'll give up my dreams of being a gazillionaire, and fetch them numbers. (I promise to have them by tomorrow afternoon at the latest. By then, I'll need a different view other than this dopey computer, anyway. Mike Welch On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS wrote: > Kolb Friends ' > > We all use AN hardware for building our airplanes. > > Just this week, I learned that Cadmium is highly toxic. Common sources categorize it as an =93extremely toxic heavy metal,=94 with very low permissible exposure limits. In fact, the US Government issued a directive in 2007 that forbids the use of any product containing Cadmium for any new systems being developed. (I wonder what the Air Force uses to hold the F-22 together?) > This is probably related to the fact that sales of NiCad rechargeable batteries are now greatly restricted. > > Yikes! I feel like I=92ve been living in a fish bowl all these years, because I did not know any of this. > > Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford ' had to throw that in! he he he) > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3 > New Mexico > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:10 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Eroding EAA Benefits looks like some great bennies I wonder if they hire the handicapped?=0A=0A =0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash build ing Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thom Riddle =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:17 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Eroding EAA Benefits=0A=0A--> Kolb -List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" =0A=0ASo much fo r EAA cleaning house. Now they are looking for more employees. See=0Ahttp:/ /www.eaa.org/careers/=0A=0AI think I'll move to Oshkosh and become a "janit orial worker" for EAA :-).=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY (9G0) =0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 64x32=0A=0AT ruth is what stands the test of experience.=0A- Albert Einstein=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. == ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:07 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: Stewart water based aircraft finish Kolbers has any of you tried the Stewart water based aircraft finishes?I ma y end up covering my Firefly in the basement and the Stitts fumes might jus t cost me my marriage!-- Does anyone know-anything good or bad about this company? thanks-- Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGl ider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:00 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: AN hardware - Cadmium plated Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford - had to throw that in! he he he) Dennis Kirby Mark-3 New Mexico >>>>>>>>>>>>>>vi'e hadneled tehm a bnuch, adn im' oakyoybddo not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish From: "planecrazzzy" I think it's water born , not water base.... .. There's a difference ... .. Gotta Fly... -------- .. .. .. .. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371931#371931 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:11 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish I am not familiar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not the s tinky chemical's--that Stitts and all the other fabric dope companies - use but what I would like to know is Has any Kolber used it or know any one that has?=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom : planecrazzzy =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASe nt: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:22 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water =0A=0AI think it's water born , not water base.... =0A.=0A- There's a difference ...=0A.=0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gotta Fly...=0A=0A--------=0A. =0A.=0A.=0A.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums. -======================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:33 PM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish Chris, Here's a good web page about water based/waterborne paint. http://www.center4sight.com/drr Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK On 4/27/2012 6:50 PM, chris davis wrote: > I am not familiar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not > the stinky chemical's that Stitts and all the other fabric dope > companies use but what I would like to know is Has any Kolber used it > or know anyone that has? > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > --> > > > Dralle, List Admin.====== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:39 PM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish Chris, I just spoke to my ophthalmologist and he told me it's been a long time since he sprayed off a car. So try this page... http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0907_water_based_car_paint/viewall.html Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK On 4/27/2012 7:10 PM, David Kulp wrote: > Chris, > > Here's a good web page about water based/waterborne paint. > http://www.center4sight.com/drr > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > FireFly 11DMK > > > On 4/27/2012 6:50 PM, chris davis wrote: >> I am not familiar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not >> the stinky chemical's that Stitts and all the other fabric dope >> companies use but what I would like to know is Has any Kolber used >> it or know anyone that has? >> Chris Davis >> KXP 503 492 hrs >> Glider Pilot >> Disabled from crash building Firefly >> >> --> >> >> >> >> >> Dralle, List Admin.====== >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish From: "George Alexander" capedavis(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Kolbers has any of you tried the Stewart water based aircraft finishes?I may end up covering my Firefly in the basement and the Stitts fumes might just cost me my marriage! Does anyone know anything good or bad about this company? thanks Chris > > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly Chris: Am helping a friend restore a 1946 Aeronca Chief using the Stewart system. Currently have covered one wing and have applied the first brush coat of paint. Another will be applied at 90 deg. Work will continue on covering the remainder of the plane to this same point. Finish coats will then be applied to the entire a/c. So far, so good. In addition to the issue of fumes, there is reportedly a considerable weight savings. Will keep you apprised as we progress. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371940#371940 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:11 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: AN hardware - Cadmium plated Dennis Kirby Wrote. Just this week, I learned that Cadmium is highly toxic Does anyone know if frequent handling of AN bolts and nuts can result in absorbing these toxins? Or do we not worry about it, knowing that stogies and gin are just as good for you? (Sorry, Beauford - had to throw that in! he he he) ----------------------------------------------------- Brother Kirby. Re: Toxins. Not to worry, sir. The formidable Mrs. Beauford has been out of town for a couple of weeks, but I compensate by substituting an AN-3 bolt and a couple of 960 washers for the usual olives in the Beefeaters. Have not yet cracked the code on getting the AN stuff to stay lit long enough to smoke it.likely not as tasty as a Macanudo anyway. If you are interested, I have a four-page, single- spaced list of things, activities and my in-laws which are guaranteed to kill the average Kolber before the cadmium on AN hardware. Worth what ye paid fer it. beauford FF-076 (it's high on the list.) Brandon, FL Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:04 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish David , was that a joke , that web site is for a Doctor=0A=0A,or did you ju st mean that we could protect or sight by using a water BORNE paint-=0ACh ris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building F irefly=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Kulp =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7: 10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish=0A =0A=0AChris,=0A=0AHere's a good web page about water based/waterborne paint .- =0Ahttp://www.center4sight.com/drr=0A=0ADave Kulp=0ABethlehem, PA=0AFi reFly 11DMK=0A=0A=0AOn 4/27/2012 6:50 PM, chris davis wrote: =0AI am not fa miliar with the nomenclature but basically it is water not the stinky chemi cal's--that Stitts and all the other fabric dope companies- use but w hat I would like to know is Has any Kolber used it or know anyone that has? =0A>=0A>Chris Davis=0A>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from cra sh building Firefly=0A>=0A>=0A>-->=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:01 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish George thank you for that responce I will try to stay in touch with the pro ject you are working on , the weight savings is great as i am going to try to ,make it a legal ultralight.=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGli der Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: George Alexander =0ATo: kolb-li st@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:08 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-Li st: Re: Stewart water based aircraft finish=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message post ed by: "George Alexander" =0A=0A=0Acapedavis(at)yahoo. com wrote:=0A> Kolbers has any of you tried the Stewart water based aircraf t finishes?I may end up covering my Firefly in the basement and the Stitts fumes might just cost me my marriage!- Does anyone know anything good or bad about this company? thanks- Chris=0A>- =0A>- =0A>- Chris Davis =0A> KXP 503 492 hrs=0A> Glider Pilot=0A> Disabled from crash building Fire fly=0A=0A=0AChris:=0AAm helping a friend restore a 1946 Aeronca Chief using the Stewart system.=0A=0ACurrently have covered one wing and have applied the first brush coat of paint.- Another will be applied at 90 deg.- Wor k will continue on covering the remainder of the plane to this same point. - Finish coats will then be applied to the entire a/c.- So far, so good .=0A=0AIn addition to the issue of fumes, there is reportedly a considerabl e weight savings.=0A=0AWill keep you apprised as we progress.=0A=0A-------- =0AGeorge Alexander=0AFS II R503- N709FS=0Ahttp://www.oh2fly.net=0A=0A=0A =0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop == ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.