---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/05/12: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:25 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?It=99s?= official Governor Signed the Aviation bill Amendment (Dennis Thate) 2. 07:49 AM - More Kolb glass (Richard Girard) 3. 08:15 AM - Re: More Kolb glass (John Hauck) 4. 08:18 AM - Monument Valley Fly in-2012 (miyer2u) 5. 09:01 AM - Re: Monument Valley Fly in-2012 (John Hauck) 6. 10:22 AM - Re: More Kolb glass (william sullivan) 7. 11:56 AM - Re: More Kolb glass (John Hauck) 8. 12:23 PM - Re: More Kolb glass (Richard Girard) 9. 05:55 PM - Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 (Frankd) 10. 06:30 PM - Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 (b young) 11. 06:36 PM - Re: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 (John Hauck) 12. 06:52 PM - =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Kolb=2DList=3A_Re=3A_The_bill_passed=94on_the_way?= =?windows-1252?Q?_to_the_Minnesota_Governor=21? (Dan Liles) 13. 07:27 PM - Re: Monument Valley Fly in-2012 (miyer2u) 14. 07:37 PM - "Hypethetically" (FIRESTARII) 15. 07:56 PM - Re: "Hypethetically" (henry.voris) 16. 09:03 PM - =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_Kolb-L?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ist:_Re:_K?= =?Windows-1252?Q?olb-List:_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_The_bi?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ll_passed?= =?Windows-1252?Q?=94on_the_w?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ay_to_the_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Minnesota_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Governor!? (Sky Biker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?It=99s?= official Governor Signed the Aviation bill Amendment From: "Dennis Thate" Its official the Minnesota Governor just Signed the Aviation bill Amendmentthe Minnesota Recreational Use Statute now includes non-commercial aviation! I received this last night from Sen. John Carlsonthe Governor he waited a week to sign the omnibus bill. You can now invite the fellow pilots to land on your private strip with out any litigation concerns WONDERFUL NEWS---! :D -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372449#372449 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: More Kolb glass From: Richard Girard After the favorable results I obtained by sealing the gap between the horizontal stabilizers and the boom I wanted to make something more permanent than the duct tape I used for testing. I shaped a strip of styrofoam to fit nicely in the gap then used duct tape to protect the HS and the tube (duct tape is a great mold release). I used the poor man's vacuum bagging technique to prepare three pieces of BID fiberglass, peeled off the top layer of plastic and used the bottom layer of plastic to hold the wet glass as I molded it on to the plane. Once the plastic was peeled off it was replaced by piece of polyester cloth as a peel ply and paper towels as a bleeder ply to soak up any excess resin. This morning I pulled off the peel ply and gradually worked the seal loose from the duct tape. After I make two more, I'll mount the top and bottom seals on the boom and glass around the forward end to bond them into a single seal. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:53 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: More Kolb glass After I make two more, I'll mount the top and bottom seals on the boom and glass around the forward end to bond them into a single seal. Rick Girard Rick G/Folks: I'm sure you are aware of this, but will make a friendly reminder just in case. Unless the rudder hinge line is positioned exactly, it will have fore and aft movement of one or both horizontal stabilizers. What were the results of installing the tail boom/horizontal stabilizer gap seals. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Fly in-2012 From: "miyer2u" Kolber!s, Are we having the monument valley fly in this year? If so when? It will be great to get together! Thanks, Mahesh Firestar-2 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372454#372454 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:41 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Fly in-2012 Are we having the monument valley fly in this year? If so when? It will be great to get together! Thanks, Mahesh Firestar-2 Mahesh/Folks: Unfortunately, the old Kolb crew has discontinued the Monument Valley Flyin. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:47 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: RE: Kolb-List: More Kolb glass - John- Please clarify the fore and aft movement.- I was under the impr ession that the Mark III horizontal stabilizer was designed to move, for un known design reasons.- Also, unless Rick has something not shown in the p hotos, the tail won't fold. ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan --- On Sat, 5/5/12, John Hauck wrote: After I make two more, I'll mount the top and bottom seals on the boom and glass around the forward end to bond them into a single seal. Rick Girard Rick G/Folks: I'm sure you are aware of this, but will make a friendly reminder just in case.- Unless the rudder hinge line is positioned exactly, it will have f ore and aft movement of one or both horizontal stabilizers. What were the results of installing the tail boom/horizontal stabilizer gap seals. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:59 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: More Kolb glass John- Please clarify the fore and aft movement. I was under the impression that the Mark III horizontal stabilizer was designed to move, for unknown design reasons. Bill Sullivan "Unless the rudder hinge line is positioned exactly, it will have fore and aft movement of one or both horizontal stabilizers." Bill S/Folks: Getting old isn't an excuse for mistakes. The above should have read: "Unless the ELEVATOR HINGE LINE is positioned exactly centered, it will have fore and aft movement of one or both horizontal stabilizers." I have one pretty close that does not move, and the other a little out that moves fore and aft 1/4". Sorry for the confusion. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More Kolb glass From: Richard Girard John, The elevator hinge line is positioned in line with the hinge bolt in the boom tube ring fitting and shimmed to stay that way so there is no movement of the stabilizer when the elevator is moved. William, There are two options for folding. Remove the seal, fold as usual, or slit the top seal so that the two pieces align when the HS is folded out and seal with vinyl tape. Rick On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 1:54 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > John- Please clarify the fore and aft movement. I was under the > impression that the Mark III horizontal stabilizer was designed to move, > for > unknown design reasons. > > Bill Sullivan > > "Unless the rudder hinge line is positioned exactly, it will have fore > and aft movement of one or both horizontal stabilizers." > > > Bill S/Folks: > > Getting old isn't an excuse for mistakes. The above should have read: > > "Unless the ELEVATOR HINGE LINE is positioned exactly centered, it will > have > fore and aft movement of one or both horizontal stabilizers." > > I have one pretty close that does not move, and the other a little out that > moves fore and aft 1/4". > > Sorry for the confusion. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 From: "Frankd" Hello Kolbers, The question of noise has been raised in the past and I'm looking for anyone with a Jabiru 2200 who has been successful in reducing radio noise created by the ignition system on the Jab. My Mk3 Xtra is VERY noisy and the radio picks up a ton of static noise I believe is generated by the ignition of the engine. The engine itself is very loud decibel wise but I dealing with that with a noise canceling headset. If I could eliminate the radio interference I would be a much happier pilot, then I could hear other flyers in the pattern. My ideas include putting a metal shield in the front part of the motor over the distributors and flywheel which generates the spark.. I'm also searching for shielded spark plug cables.. Any ideas are welcome. Frankd Mk3 Xtra, 1014S 23 hrs into initial 40, no bent gear yet! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372475#372475 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:05 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 The question of noise has been raised in the past and I'm looking for anyone with a Jabiru 2200 who has been successful in reducing radio noise created by the ignition system on the Jab. Frankd Mk3 Xtra, 1014S >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cant help with the Jab... but on the 912. I put a large capacitor across the battery, double what they call for, if you are using power from the plane for the radio, a teroidal coil between the aircraft battery and the radio, both positive and negative wires. and an additional capacitor at the radio will help. also I made my wires from the cdi boxes to the kill switches out of coax, this shields the cdi noise from getting out. keep the antenna as far away as practical, mine is in the nose cone. resistor plugs or resistor plug caps may help. I have not had to do that. if you have questions ask away, maybe a Jab owner has other tips. boyd young mkiii utah ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:07 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 resistor plugs or resistor plug caps may help. I have not had to do that. boyd young Boyd Y/Folks: 912UL and 912ULS come equipped with resistor spark plug caps and plugs. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Kolb=2DList=3A_Re=3A_The_bill_passed=94on_the_way?= =?windows-1252?Q?_to_the_Minnesota_Governor=21? From: Dan Liles I fly a Kolb mk 3 xtra and I think Dennis' postings are of interest to this Kolb owner. Dennis flys a mk 3 classic and should have the right to post anything related to Kolb. And as far as I am concerned if he post fly in activities that is of interest, what's the harm? what's better.... Reading posts. Or having an empty forum? On May 4, 2012 2:24 PM, "Thom Riddle" wrote: > > I've tried very hard to restrain myself and have succeeded for the most > part, but must respond to this one. > > Dennis, you seem to be under the impression that it is OK to post whatever > is of interest to you on the KOLB list, even though it is contrary to the > guidelines. SOMETIMES your posts are indirectly related and perhaps of > interest to a few Kolbers by being is some way related to aviation. > However, the one I am responding to now, as far as I can tell, is in no way > related to KOLB AIRCRAFT. > > I know the list activity has been slow in recent weeks but that does not > change the guidelines nor should it be viewed as reason or justification > to post whatever comes to mind. As is the case for all subscribers to the > Matronics Kolb List, anything (other than personal attacks) you have to say > or ask about KOLBS is welcome here. I respectfully request that you stop > posting anything that does not meet the Matronics Kolb List guidelines, to > this list. > > If you feel a need to post this sort of thing somewhere, perhaps you > should consider FACEBOOK or Google+ (obviously too long for Twitter) so the > only people who see it are those who think whatever you have to say on ANY > subject is worth reading. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > Truth is what stands the test of experience. > - Albert Einstein > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372407#372407 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley Fly in-2012 From: "miyer2u" Thanks John. That is unfortunate and we should continue this effort! I am planning to go to Monument Valley this month end and I remember that we had the flyin around this time! Hope we all can revive it back in the coming years! It's a great way for all of us to meet in person...and of course fly with our Kolb:-)) Thanks, Mahesh FS-2 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372480#372480 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: "Hypethetically" From: "FIRESTARII" If a guy currently had a registered and N-Numbered FSII and "Happened" to Find a really good deal on an unregistered FSII, The same exact make and model, would it be possible to use the existing paper work and N-Number on the other airplane to make it legal??? Of course this is pure theroy. Just something to mull over while hanger flying. Let's also assume the unregistered FSII is WAY nicer and newer than the registered one. Then re-power the old one with say a 447 and a 5 gallon tank, 1 seat and sell as part 103 UL???? This is of course all speculation of course but the issue "May" have come across a friends desk and if its possible I know a guy who knows a guy who may be interested in moving forward with the deal? :D. Looking for yeah or neah here not a toung lashing, please also my friend of a friend is asking BEFOR doing and not the other way around. I think my friend is a good guy who flys very safe and respects the law, when the law makes logical sense and does not make an otherwise perfectly airworthy airplane un-airworthy because of a piece of paper and a few extra bucks in uncle SAMs pockets! Let me know what you think so I cal steer my friend in the correct direction. -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372481#372481 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: "Hypethetically" From: "henry.voris" Sure you could do it... and may get way with it... but it wouldn't be legal... Alzo... a FSII with a 447 and a 5 gallon tank, 1 seat still isn't a legal Part 103... -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372482#372482 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:17 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Subject: Kolb-List: =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_Kolb-L?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ist:_Re:_K?= =?Windows-1252?Q?olb-List:_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_The_bi?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ll_passed?= =?Windows-1252?Q?=94on_the_w?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ay_to_the_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Minnesota_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Governor!? I have to agree with Thom that he should be able to be posted for all to re ad. There are many miss conceptions as to what and what can not be done wit h ones private air strip. When I put mine in and had people complain about it and try to stop me=2C h ad it not been post such as his and others with the same problems. I would not have found all the information needed to back up my legal right to have one on my own property. Once I compiled my information and copies of cou rt cases addressing the same issues=2C I had the blessing of code enforceme nt and the county attorney or there facing a losing court battle. Ross Richardson Clewicton=2C Fl. Mark 111 C Rotax 912 UL Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List: Re: The bill passed=94on the way t o the Minnesota Governor! From: dansgoat@gmail.com I fly a Kolb mk 3 xtra and I think Dennis' postings are of interest to this Kolb owner. Dennis flys a mk 3 classic and should have the right to post a nything related to Kolb. And as far as I am concerned if he post fly in act ivities that is of interest=2C what's the harm? what's better.... Reading p osts. Or having an empty forum? On May 4=2C 2012 2:24 PM=2C "Thom Riddle" wrote: I've tried very hard to restrain myself and have succeeded for the most par t=2C but must respond to this one. Dennis=2C you seem to be under the impression that it is OK to post whateve r is of interest to you on the KOLB list=2C even though it is contrary to t he guidelines. SOMETIMES your posts are indirectly related and perhaps of i nterest to a few Kolbers by being is some way related to aviation. However =2C the one I am responding to now=2C as far as I can tell=2C is in no way related to KOLB AIRCRAFT. I know the list activity has been slow in recent weeks but that does not ch ange the guidelines nor should it be viewed as reason or justification to post whatever comes to mind. As is the case for all subscribers to the Matr onics Kolb List=2C anything (other than personal attacks) you have to say o r ask about KOLBS is welcome here. I respectfully request that you stop pos ting anything that does not meet the Matronics Kolb List guidelines=2C to t his list. 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