---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/17/12: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Re: Friendly Airport People (Thom Riddle) 2. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar (Gary Aman) 3. 06:17 AM - Re: CG on a MK II twinstar (Richard Pike) 4. 10:59 AM - MK II twinstar plans and drawings (Malcolm Brubaker) 5. 11:07 AM - Re: "Hypothetically" (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det) 6. 11:07 AM - Re: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det) 7. 03:27 PM - another Twinstar Mark II question (Lee Morgan) 8. 03:59 PM - Re: "Hypothetically" (George Myers) 9. 06:09 PM - Re: another Twinstar Mark II question (Herb Gayheart) 10. 07:28 PM - Re: MK II twinstar plans and drawings (Richard Pike) 11. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: MK II twinstar plans and drawings (Malcolm Brubaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Friendly Airport People From: "Thom Riddle" Denis, That is a wonderful Kolb story. I know most aviators are nice folks but that one actually knocked a few chunks of cynicism off my crusty exterior :-). -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373213#373213 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar From: Gary Aman Gene, I really believe adjusting the controls to overcome a CG problem does a ter rible disservice to a normally good handling airplane.The weight and balanc e is the way to go.Someone will give you the info you need Lee,How about it Crystal,do you still have that info? G.Aman MK3C -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Zimmerman Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 9:20 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar Lee, I don't have the specific info you ask for but if you are intending to fly the Mark II two up, I can tell you you do not want any extra weight up front as the elevator on the Mark II is rather underpowered for keeping the nose up at s lower flight speeds with two up. If it was up to me I'd fly it as is. I can assur e you it will fly just fine with your weight. If you have any doubts just make th e first flight with half a tank of fuel, and you will be more than pleased wi th how she flies. If it flies like the nose is light and must be held down, adjust the ailero ns down a tad. Gene Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373193#373193 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar From: "Richard Pike" zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: > Gene, > I really believe adjusting the controls to overcome a CG problem does a terrible disservice to a normally good handling airplane.The weight and balance is the way to go. Someone will give you the info you need Lee, How about it Crystal,do you still have that info? > G.Aman MK3C > -- I think "adjusting the controls to overcome a CG problem" is an oversimplification when it comes to fine tuning the Kolb wing and how it works. The normal procedure is to get the CG right where it needs to be, and then fly it. If it flies like it wants to keep nosing up, you can either put a trim tab on the elevator to hold the nose down, or droop the ailerons. (or flaps) If it flies like it wants to keep nosing down, once again, you can adjust a trim tab to raise the elevators, or raise the ailerons. (or flaps) The airplane responds well to moving the center of lift aft or forwards across the wing and is the accepted way of fine tuning the aircraft for trim once the CG is correct and everything else is suitable. That is why I modified my flap lever with 3 positions close together at the nominally up position, to fine tune how the airplane behaves in conjunction with the normal MKIII trim system. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373220#373220 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:17 AM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kolb-List: MK II twinstar plans and drawings i came acrost my set of plans and drawings from my mk11 that i sold 15 year s ago- =0A-there up for grabs please contact me off list for moor info --- mal=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Richard Pike =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:17 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar=0A =0A--> Kolb-Li st message posted by: "Richard Pike" =0A=0A=0Azeprep2 51(at)aol.com wrote:=0A> Gene,=0A>- I really believe adjusting the contro ls to overcome a CG problem does a terrible disservice to a normally good h andling airplane.The weight and balance is the way to go. Someone will give you the info you need Lee, How about it Crystal,do you still have that inf o? =0A>- - - G.Aman MK3C- =0A>- - --=0A=0A=0AI think "adjustin g the controls to overcome a CG problem" is an oversimplification when it c omes to fine tuning the Kolb wing and how it works. The normal procedure is to get the CG right where it needs to be, and then fly it. If it flies lik e it wants to keep nosing up, you can either put a trim tab on the elevator to hold the nose down, or droop the ailerons. (or flaps) If it flies like it wants to keep nosing down, once again, you can adjust a trim tab to rais e the elevators, or raise the ailerons. (or flaps) The airplane responds we ll to moving the center of lift aft or forwards across the wing and is the accepted way of fine tuning the aircraft for trim once the CG is correct an d everything else is suitable.=0A=0AThat is why I modified my flap lever wi th 3 positions close together at the nominally up position, to fine tune ho w the airplane behaves in conjunction with the normal MKIII trim system.=0A =0A--------=0ARichard Pike=0AKolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0Arichard (at) b cchapel(dot)org=0AKingsport, TN 3TN0=0ANow faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. =0AHebrews 11:1=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php = ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: "Hypothetically" From: "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" Is it legal? No. (Serial numbers have to match) Can you do it? Yes! And you could fly it for the next 20-30 years and no one would ever know the difference UNLESS you get in accident and the investigator learns your secret. Lots of bad things happen in that scenario. Jack in Key West Kolb M3C (N33040) Rotax 582 and PJ floats -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FIRESTARII Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 22:38 Subject: Kolb-List: "Hypethetically" If a guy currently had a registered and N-Numbered FSII and "Happened" to Find a really good deal on an unregistered FSII, The same exact make and model, would it be possible to use the existing paper work and N-Number on the other airplane to make it legal??? Of course this is pure theroy. Just something to mull over while hanger flying. Let's also assume the unregistered FSII is WAY nicer and newer than the registered one. Then re-power the old one with say a 447 and a 5 gallon tank, 1 seat and sell as part 103 UL???? This is of course all speculation of course but the issue "May" have come across a friends desk and if its possible I know a guy who knows a guy who may be interested in moving forward with the deal? :D. Looking for yeah or neah here not a toung lashing, please also my friend of a friend is asking BEFOR doing and not the other way around. I think my friend is a good guy who flys very safe and respects the law, when the law makes logical sense and does not make an otherwise perfectly airworthy airplane un-airworthy because o! f a piece of paper and a few extra bucks in uncle SAMs pockets! Let me know what you think so I cal steer my friend in the correct direction. -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372481#372481 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 From: "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" Hi Frank, You may already have the answer to your question since I am late in responding.... however, you might want to check out the AERO ELECTRONICS List on the Matronics website. Search 'ignition noise filter' and you will see hundreds if not thousands of responses to your query. Some very smart fellers on that list when it comes electronics. Pretty sure you will find you are not the first person to have the problem and you will find a cheap (and easy...) solution to fix it. Just my advice. Worth what you paid for it.... nothing. V/R, Jack in Key West Kolb M3C (N33040) Rotax 582 and PJ Floats -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frankd Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 20:55 Subject: Kolb-List: Ignition noise suppression on Jabiru 2200 Hello Kolbers, The question of noise has been raised in the past and I'm looking for anyone with a Jabiru 2200 who has been successful in reducing radio noise created by the ignition system on the Jab. My Mk3 Xtra is VERY noisy and the radio picks up a ton of static noise I believe is generated by the ignition of the engine. The engine itself is very loud decibel wise but I dealing with that with a noise canceling headset. If I could eliminate the radio interference I would be a much happier pilot, then I could hear other flyers in the pattern. My ideas include putting a metal shield in the front part of the motor over the distributors and flywheel which generates the spark.. I'm also searching for shielded spark plug cables.. Any ideas are welcome. Frankd Mk3 Xtra, 1014S 23 hrs into initial 40, no bent gear yet! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372475#372475 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:36 PM PST US From: "Lee Morgan" Subject: Kolb-List: another Twinstar Mark II question first, thanks Gene for the response, I will do some hops before I fly to get a feel for what it wants to do. My next question is about getting in and out of this thing. I am not as nimble as I used to be and lifting a leg and bending my head at the same time is quite a workout. Has anyone tried splitting the windshield in half with a piano hinge so the windshield could be opened up more ? orany other ideas for easier access ? thanks, Lee.. Time: 12:29:16 PM PST US From: "Lee Morgan" Subject: Kolb-List: CG on a MK II twinstar Hi all, I am looking for info on the CG for a MK II Twinstar. My measurements were done with the bottom of the wing at 9% I am using a weight and balance sheet from a Kolb Firestar but I think the calculations are the same for a MK II Twinstar. I am coming up with a CG of 37 % with me in it, I am 175 pounds, Has anyone else had to add weight to the front to get the CG within limits ? thanks, Lee.. Time: 06:20:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar From: "Eugene Zimmerman" Lee, I don't have the specific info you ask for but if you are intending to fly the Mark II two up, I can tell you you do not want any extra weight up front as the elevator on the Mark II is rather underpowered for keeping the nose up at slower flight speeds with two up. If it was up to me I'd fly it as is. I can assure you it will fly just fine with your weight. If you have any doubts just make the first flight with half a tank of fuel, and you will be more than pleased with how she flies. If it flies like the nose is light and must be held down, adjust the ailerons down a tad. Gene ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:51 PM PST US From: "George Myers" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: "Hypothetically" Normally the serial number is on a tag, pop riveted to the frame, or boom...................................... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: "Hypothetically" Is it legal? No. (Serial numbers have to match) Can you do it? Yes! And you could fly it for the next 20-30 years and no one would ever know the difference UNLESS you get in accident and the investigator learns your secret. Lots of bad things happen in that scenario. Jack in Key West Kolb M3C (N33040) Rotax 582 and PJ floats -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FIRESTARII Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 22:38 Subject: Kolb-List: "Hypethetically" If a guy currently had a registered and N-Numbered FSII and "Happened" to Find a really good deal on an unregistered FSII, The same exact make and model, would it be possible to use the existing paper work and N-Number on the other airplane to make it legal??? Of course this is pure theroy. Just something to mull over while hanger flying. Let's also assume the unregistered FSII is WAY nicer and newer than the registered one. Then re-power the old one with say a 447 and a 5 gallon tank, 1 seat and sell as part 103 UL???? This is of course all speculation of course but the issue "May" have come across a friends desk and if its possible I know a guy who knows a guy who may be interested in moving forward with the deal? :D. Looking for yeah or neah here not a toung lashing, please also my friend of a friend is asking BEFOR doing and not the other way around. I think my friend is a good guy who flys very safe and respects the law, when the law makes logical sense and does not make an otherwise perfectly airworthy airplane un-airworthy because o! f a piece of paper and a few extra bucks in uncle SAMs pockets! Let me know what you think so I cal steer my friend in the correct direction. -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372481#372481 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:04 PM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: another Twinstar Mark II question Gull wing doors worked on my MkIII.... Single tube down the middle...and a frame on each side to support the Lexan...Herb At 05:26 PM 5/17/2012, you wrote: > >first, > thanks Gene for the response, I will do some hops before I fly to get a >feel for what it wants to do. > >My next question is about getting in and out of this thing. I am not as >nimble as I used to be and lifting a leg and bending my head at the same >time is quite a workout. Has anyone tried splitting the windshield in half >with a piano hinge so the windshield could be opened up more ? orany other >ideas for easier access ? >thanks, >Lee.. > > >Time: 12:29:16 PM PST US >From: "Lee Morgan" >Subject: Kolb-List: CG on a MK II twinstar > >Hi all, I am looking for info on the CG for a MK II Twinstar. > >My measurements were done with the bottom of the wing at 9% > >I am using a weight and balance sheet from a Kolb Firestar but I think the >calculations are the same for a MK II Twinstar. > >I am coming up with a CG of 37 % with me in it, I am 175 pounds, Has anyone >else had to add weight to the front to > >get the CG within limits ? > >thanks, > >Lee.. > > >Time: 06:20:31 PM PST US >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: CG on a MK II twinstar >From: "Eugene Zimmerman" > > >Lee, > >I don't have the specific info you ask for but if you are intending to fly >the >Mark II two up, I can tell you you do not want any extra weight up front as >the >elevator on the Mark II is rather underpowered for keeping the nose up at >slower >flight speeds with two up. If it was up to me I'd fly it as is. I can assure >you it will fly just fine with your weight. If you have any doubts just make >the first flight with half a tank of fuel, and you will be more than pleased >with how she flies. >If it flies like the nose is light and must be held down, adjust the >ailerons down >a tad. > >Gene > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK II twinstar plans and drawings From: "Richard Pike" Dude: Why don't you scan them and put them on the list? That is something that deserves to be archived, and you would be doing something that many would appreciate! Yeah, it's a lot of work, but still... -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373258#373258 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:36 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MK II twinstar plans and drawings i would consider that, any body wanta pay for it? I cant scan that large a stuff=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0A http://michigansportpilotrepair.com =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sail maker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Richard Pike =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:2 7 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: MK II twinstar plans and drawings=0A =0A--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" =0A=0ADu de: Why don't you scan them and put them on the list? That is something tha t deserves to be archived, and you would be doing something that many would appreciate! Yeah, it's a lot of work, but still...=0A=0A--------=0ARichard Pike=0AKolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)=0Arichard (at) bcchapel(dot)org=0AKin gsport, TN 3TN0=0ANow faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evide nce of things not seen. =0AHebrews 11:1=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onlin e here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373258#373258=0A =========================0A =================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.