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1. 04:44 AM - no hits om the extra ?? (Malcolm Brubaker)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: no hits om the extra ?? (Daniel Myers)
3. 05:15 AM - Re: no hits om the extra ?? (william sullivan)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question (Pat Ladd)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/30/12 (James, Ken)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question (Pat Ladd)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/30/12 (Phil)
8. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question (Pat Ladd)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: no hits om the extra ?? (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det)
10. 08:50 AM - Any Old Sandbar Will Do (John Hauck)
11. 10:20 AM - Re: Any Old Sandbar Will Do (Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det)
12. 03:41 PM - Re: no hits om the extra ?? (kinne russ)
13. 04:22 PM - Experimental in USA vs Europe and other parts of the world (Thom Riddle)
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Subject: | no hits om the extra ?? |
can-some -body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we
have not had any hits?=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport
Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AG
reat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A
- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Richard Pi
ke <richard@bcchapel.org>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday,
May 30, 2012 9:12 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and a
ke" <richard@bcchapel.org>=0A=0A=0Apj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:=0A> The
builder is the manufacturer.>>=0A> =0A> =0A> What is the situation if the
manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer =0A> produces a plane which is
obviously not airworthy. How do you get insurance? =0A> Does the insurance
company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they know without inspectio
n or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I =0A> understand that
unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved design =0A> in the US.
Who applies what standards in that case?=0A> Curious=0A> Pat=0A=0A=0AYears
ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went about dete
rmining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic design.
His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, but the
n you have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Assumin
g you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they can
issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes you
flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately
above the runway. =0A=0AIn other words, if they don't think it will fly, th
ey can restrict your flying to a minimum.=0A=0ANever seen such a situation,
but it makes sense to me -=0A=0A--------=0ARichard Pike=0AKolb MKIII N420P
(420ldPoops)=0Arichard (at) bcchapel(dot)org=0AKingsport, TN 3TN0=0ANow fa
ith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
=0AHebrews 11:1=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru
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Subject: | Re: no hits om the extra ?? |
Looks good to me. Just wait it out
Thanks,
Daniel Myers
Cell: 407 920 7700
SouthEastAmphibs.com
On May 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com> wrote:
> can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we hav
e not had any hits?
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
>
>
>
> pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> > The builder is the manufacturer.>>
> >
> >
> > What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacture
r
> > produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insura
nce?
> > Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they k
now without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
> > understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved desi
gn
> > in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
> > Curious
> > Pat
>
>
> Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went abo
ut determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic de
sign. His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, bu
t then you have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Ass
uming you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they c
an issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes yo
u flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately a
bove the runway.
>
> In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your fl
ying to a minimum.
>
> Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374336#374336http://www.matr
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Subject: | Re: no hits om the extra ?? |
- The only thing I see is that it's the highest priced one on the list.
- Not an unreasonable amount, but maybe just because there are others rig
ht now.
--- On Thu, 5/31/12, Daniel Myers <h20maule@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Daniel Myers <h20maule@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: no hits om the extra ??
Looks good to me. Just wait it out-
Thanks,Daniel MyersCell: 407 920 7700SouthEastAmphibs.com
On May 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com> wrote
:
can-some -body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we
have not had any hits?-Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com=0ALSRM-A
, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> The builder is the manufacturer.>>
>
>
> What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer
> produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insuran
ce?
> Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they kn
ow without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
> understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved desig
n
> in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
> Curious
> Pat
Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went abou
t determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a=0A problematic
design. His answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want
, but then you have to build it according to approved methods and practices
. Assuming you build it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said
they can issue you an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that prec
ludes you flying it more than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than imm
ediately above the runway.
In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your fly
ing to a minimum.
Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Read this topic online=0A here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374336#374336http://www.matro
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Subject: | Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question |
limitations that precludes you flying it more than 2' off the ground, or
anywhere other than immediately above the runway. >>
Yeah! I guess that would do it as far as the Airworthiness Cert is concerned
but would any insurance company touch it?
You may roll it into a ball from 2 feet but suppose you flew it into a crowd
of people or parked aircraft at 2 feet.
Pat.
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Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/30/12 |
Hi all
Long story short, I'm looking for a link to a builder's page that had a jig set
up for doing hinges for ailerons and rudder/vert stab etc.
Thanks
Ken James
MK III extra
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Subject: | Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question |
Hi Thom,
obviously you can get insurance flying a Kolb as you can point to a well
tried design and the Insurers can asses the risk from their records. What
happens if you put a jet engine on it, turn it into a twin, redesign and fit
a twin fin and rudder.? Even if you are the manufacturer and can set what
parameters you like you may have no aerodesign or engineering skill
whatever. I would have thought the insurers wouldn`t touch it with a barge
pole. Then you fly it into someone, or their plane. . You could be in Sing
Sing for the rest of your natural. Certainly in Bankruptcy Court.
Shudder!
Pat
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Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/30/12 |
I pretty much followed page 10 of the Firefly plans.
http://phactor.com/HingeDrilling.jpg
http://phactor.com/HingeJig.jpg
http://phactor.com/HingeJig2.jpg
http://phactor.com/HingeJig3.jpg
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Phil H
FF11-4-00076
--- On Thu, 5/31/12, James, Ken <KDJames@berkscareer.com> wrote:
From: James, Ken <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 05/30/12
Hi all
Long story short, I'm looking for a link to a builder's page that had a jig
set up for doing hinges for ailerons and rudder/vert stab etc.
Thanks
Ken James
MK III extra
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Subject: | Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question |
their attitude is to reject claims if at all possible>>
Hi Russ,
I am sure that is true but speak as I find. When I flew into the barn
through starting the engine when the throttle was open the insurance
Company sent an assessor .It was obvious that the starboard wing had to
be rebuilt. There was some discussion over possible twisting of the cage
due to the backwards movement of the wing. This was decided in
consultation with the Inspector and the cage was condemned. This meant a
total strip of instruments etc and rebuild of the whole front end.
Including the car I managed to drive the nose cone into I think that the
bill was in excess of 20,000 pounds. The insurers paid up with no
quibble.
On the other hand my partner, when we had the Aerostar, was always
worried because if the two of us took off with a full fuel load we were
above the certified weight. The problem was not that the plane wouldn`t
handle it but because if we took off overweight we were no longer
classed as a `microlight` and we were into a whole new ballgame. We were
a Light Aircraft and therefore outside our insured category
He was afraid that if we crunched it was a fairly simple matter to back
calculate what our take off weight had been and that would be used to
let the insurers of the hook.
Incidentally I employed a couple of guys from the local carwash to wash
my plane yesterday. Just to smarten it up before the prospective buyers
start lining up to view it.
There are hundreds of teams of men all over the UK who have moved into
disused garage sites and set up car washes. Of course the garages had
sumps already built to in to stop oil and muck going down the drains.
Electricity and water were laid on. Just waiting for someone to find a
use for them. These guys are usually Polish. I know one lot who are
Lithuanians and the guys I used are, would you believe it from Iraq.
They all do a fast and reasonably priced job.It is not easy as they are
in the cold and wet all day, usually no resting facilities or shelter if
it pours. I am sure the income tax is being wangled as no one knows how
much money they take in a day.. Probably all sorts of `elf and safety
issues being ignored as well.
We have several million unemployed in the UK but I have not found a
team of car washers who are English. Makes you think.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | no hits om the extra ?? |
From: | "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" |
<jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
Sorry to be blunt... but you asked.... IMHO the plane is OVER PRICED!
I recently purchased a completed, 2009 Mark III Classic, air worthiness certificated,
N-numbered, (w/Rotax 582 Gray head), brand new Warp drive 3-bladed prop,
MATCO hydraulic disk brakes, Ameri-King ELT, ICOM A-6 VHF handheld transceiver,
Sportys 2-place portable intercom, excellent logs both airframe and engine
with only 11 hours TTAE... for $5,000 (on the same Barnstormers.com website)!
Jack in Key West
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Brubaker
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:44
Subject: Kolb-List: no hits om the extra ??
can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we have not
had any hits?
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com <http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/>
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless question
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> The builder is the manufacturer.>>
>
>
> What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as manufacturer
> produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get insurance?
> Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do they know without
inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or at all? I
> understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved design
> in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
> Curious
> Pat
Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went about determining
how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a problematic design. His
answer was to the effect that you can design anything you want, but then you
have to build it according to approved methods and practices. Assuming you build
it well, but it is still a problematic design, he said they can issue you
an Airworthiness Certificate with limitations that precludes you flying it more
than 2' off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately above the runway.
In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict your flying
to a minimum.
Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Any Old Sandbar Will Do |
On a beautiful winter day, any old sand bar will do for an exciting landing
spot on the Tallapoosa River between Wetumpka and Montgomery, Alabama, 2010.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Any Old Sandbar Will Do |
From: | "Lockamy, Jack CIV Atlantic Targets Marine Ops, AD.5.3.3 / Key West Det" |
<jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
John,
When I first saw your photos, I thought to myself... a set of Puddlejumper floats
would look REAL NICE on that bird sitting next to a sandbar!
Jack in Key West
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:48
Subject: Kolb-List: Any Old Sandbar Will Do
On a beautiful winter day, any old sand bar will do for an exciting landing spot
on the Tallapoosa River between Wetumpka and Montgomery, Alabama, 2010.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: no hits om the extra ?? |
One reason might be that there are no Kolbs! -- (is this Kolb-related?)
Nice website tho; I'm surprised no hits
Good luck.
Russ K
On May 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> can some body look at my barnstormers add and give a sugestion why we
have not had any hits?
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:12 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: twinstar MK II thanks and another endless
question
>
>
>
> pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> > The builder is the manufacturer.>>
> >
> >
> > What is the situation if the manufacturer, or the builder as
manufacturer
> > produces a plane which is obviously not airworthy. How do you get
insurance?
> > Does the insurance company not apply any yardstick at all? How do
they know without inspection or testing if it will fly well, badly, or
at all? I
> > understand that unlike the UK there is no such thing as an approved
design
> > in the US. Who applies what standards in that case?
> > Curious
> > Pat
>
>
> Years ago I talked to a FAA man in that department about how they went
about determining how to issue an Airworthiness Certificate to a
problematic design. His answer was to the effect that you can design
anything you want, but then you have to build it according to approved
methods and practices. Assuming you build it well, but it is still a
problematic design, he said they can issue you an Airworthiness
Certificate with limitations that precludes you flying it more than 2'
off the ground, or anywhere other than immediately above the runway.
>
> In other words, if they don't think it will fly, they can restrict
your flying to a minimum.
>
> Never seen such a situation, but it makes sense to me -
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374336#374336http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Experimental in USA vs Europe and other parts of the world |
This is not strictly Kolb related, but should be of interest to all builders and
pilots of experimental aircraft.
http://macsblog.com/2012/05/european-rules-coming-to-homebuilts/
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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