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1. 07:28 AM - Re: Firestar as a Lawn Ornament (Richard Girard)
2. 11:26 AM - Re: Firestar as a Lawn Ornament (Bob)
3. 05:55 PM - Balistic reserve chute (cdupuis)
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Subject: | Re: Firestar as a Lawn Ornament |
Bob, There is no way to license the Firestar in E-LSA. That opportunity
ended 1-31-2010 when the grandfathering offered by FAR 21.91i(1) expired.
So you are limited to two types of experimental, MAYBE.
The big maybe is E-AB. Since there will be an extensive rebuild you might
be able to convince your DAR that you have done required work. Since you
are going to build up a new fuselage and could create an extensive builder
log, he might go for it. I would pursue the topic with your DAR along the
lines of, "I'm thinking of acquiring a Firestar fuselage project and I've
located a set of wings that will speed up the project, would it be eligible
for E-AB? He might say okay, but wouldn't be able to give you a repairman's
certificate for it since such a large portion of the building will not be
done by you. It's a crap shoot, but you should be able to get a decision
without risking any money.
The other option is E-E, Experimental Exhibition. This is a much more
limited certificate and, depending on your FSDO, you will have yearly hoops
to jump through and you would be limited to training flights and flying to
airshows and fly ins. Because of this the value of the aircraft would be
diminished, but how much is anyone's guess.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bob <rmurrill@cox.net> wrote:
>
> An well known aviation website lists a broken no N# Firestar for auction
> next weekend in
> Arizona. It should go really cheap. I am toying with the idea of adding
> to my still in work Mk III project. I know that several folks on the list
> have a really good knowledge of the regs and actual implementation
> regarding E-LSA and ask for
> a little insight on the applicable rules. The owner at the time of the
> mishap, who may or may not have been the initial builder, bought new cage,
> LG legs, and tail boom to repair, then decided not to proceed and the hole
> package ended up in the hands of a local club. They now have decided not
> to pursue the rebuild..... so...Can this airplane ever legally fly ? There
> appears to be clean paperwork on ownership of the original kit and the
> repair parts.
>
> Can one rebuild like a certified aircraft based on a data plate.... of
> another damaged N# Firestar aircraft and then fly off the experimental
> hours
> with the combined parts I guess is my basic question? Alternatively any
> ideas on how one would pitch the FSDO or local DAR on the new parts plus
> original kit to get a fresh Experimental certificate?
>
> Bob
>
>
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Thanks, Homer GBYM
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Subject: | Re: Firestar as a Lawn Ornament |
Thank you Richard for your response. You are pretty much confirming
what I thought I understood regarding the E-AB rules and the expiration
of the grandfathering. It amazes me that there are so many of these
airplanes around that somebody put lots of money into and lots of hours
of labor and then didn=99t spend the few hundred additional to get
it licensed. I suppose it is possible the cage and boom on this
Firestar were damaged by a hanger door mishap on the day the DAR was
coming to do the inspection. I will check with one of the local DARs
and see if he thinks there is a path to licensing, but sounds like
I=99ll be better off leaving the pile of parts gathering dust in
someone else's hanger rather than mine..Thanks
Bob
From: Richard Girard
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar as a Lawn Ornament
Bob, There is no way to license the Firestar in E-LSA. That opportunity
ended 1-31-2010 when the grandfathering offered by FAR 21.91i(1)
expired. So you are limited to two types of experimental, MAYBE.
The big maybe is E-AB. Since there will be an extensive rebuild you
might be able to convince your DAR that you have done required work.
Since you are going to build up a new fuselage and could create an
extensive builder log, he might go for it. I would pursue the topic with
your DAR along the lines of, "I'm thinking of acquiring a Firestar
fuselage project and I've located a set of wings that will speed up the
project, would it be eligible for E-AB? He might say okay, but wouldn't
be able to give you a repairman's certificate for it since such a large
portion of the building will not be done by you. It's a crap shoot, but
you should be able to get a decision without risking any money.
The other option is E-E, Experimental Exhibition. This is a much more
limited certificate and, depending on your FSDO, you will have yearly
hoops to jump through and you would be limited to training flights and
flying to airshows and fly ins. Because of this the value of the
aircraft would be diminished, but how much is anyone's guess.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bob <rmurrill@cox.net> wrote:
An well known aviation website lists a broken no N# Firestar for
auction next weekend in
Arizona. It should go really cheap. I am toying with the idea of
adding
to my still in work Mk III project. I know that several folks on the
list
have a really good knowledge of the regs and actual implementation
regarding E-LSA and ask for
a little insight on the applicable rules. The owner at the time of
the
mishap, who may or may not have been the initial builder, bought new
cage,
LG legs, and tail boom to repair, then decided not to proceed and the
hole
package ended up in the hands of a local club. They now have decided
not
to pursue the rebuild..... so...Can this airplane ever legally fly ?
There
appears to be clean paperwork on ownership of the original kit and the
repair parts.
Can one rebuild like a certified aircraft based on a data plate.... of
another damaged N# Firestar aircraft and then fly off the experimental
hours
with the combined parts I guess is my basic question? Alternatively
any
ideas on how one would pitch the FSDO or local DAR on the new parts
plus
original kit to get a fresh Experimental certificate?
Bob
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Subject: | Balistic reserve chute |
Hi Guys,
What's the best BRS? Will a soft pack fit? Where's the best place to buy?
Thanks!
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