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1. 01:52 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel (Ted)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Tail Post supports (Dennis Thate)
3. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel (John Hauck)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: clasic or extra for sale$$ (vic)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel (Dennis Thate)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel (John Hauck)
7. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Tail Post supports (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
8. 02:32 PM - Re: Tail Post supports (Dennis Thate)
9. 04:57 PM - Re: Flyin at Houghton Lake (ces308)
10. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Tail Post supports (Rick Neilsen)
11. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Tail Post supports (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
12. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Tail Post supports (John Hauck)
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel |
I installed a matco tailwheel on my slingshot. Had a lot of trouble ground looping
cause the wheel would 'break' too easily. In the archives it describes how
to fix this and make it custom to your desires. It just requires you to grind
the channel longer where the ball bearing rides. Works great. The slingshot
with big wheels has a high stance with short coupling. Makes for a wild ride
if the wheel breaks and you start sliding. Just my opinion. Ted Cowan slingshot
912ul zoomzoom
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> 1. 02:01 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/17/12 (George Bearden)
> 2. 02:03 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/17/12 (George Bearden)
> 3. 10:39 AM - Re: A swivel tailwheel question (Dennis Thate)
> 4. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: A swivel tailwheel question (Gary Aman)
> 5. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: A swivel tailwheel question (David Peters)
> 6. 06:38 PM - Re: Tail Post supports (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
> 7. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: New Firestar II owner - question about elevator oscillations
(Richard Girard)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 02:01:46 AM PST US
> From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/17/12
>
>
>> The 50 ohm dummy load is not going to do you any good with your antenna.
>
> Of course not. I used it to take the antenna away as a variable. A
> dummy-load can be useful to your antenna *SYSTEM* though.
>
>> It is only designed to help you with your transmitter.
>
> My screwdriver is designed to turn screws but I use it for all kinds of
> things. What I suggested isn't good for this situation, as I noted, since
> the asker isn't a radio person (neither am I) but since other folks read
> these posts I mentioned how it COULD be used.
>
> I thought the rest of your post was wonderful, however.
>
> GeoB
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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> Time: 02:03:38 AM PST US
> From: "George Bearden" <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/17/12
>
>
>> an antenna analyzer is an other good tool.....
>
> Yes! IMHO the analyzer is a much better tool for this.
>
> GeoB
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
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> Time: 10:39:59 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A swivel tailwheel question
> From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman@frontier.com>
>
>
> Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I went with a Matco. The Kolb handles so
much
> better....more like a real taildragger.
> on my narrow strip.
>
> " I would recommend installing the tail post brackets on all Kolbs I just
>
> Ellery Batchelder Jr. "
>
> Can you show a picture of this tail post brackets ?
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
> the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381160#381160
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_tailwheel_143.jpg
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> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
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> Time: 04:59:36 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A swivel tailwheel question
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 1:40 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A swivel tailwheel question
>
>
>
> Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I went with a Matco. The Kolb handles
> so
> much better....more like a real taildragger.
> on my narrow strip.
>
> " I would recommend installing the tail post brackets on all Kolbs I just
>
>
> Ellery Batchelder Jr. "
>
> Can you show a picture of this tail post brackets ?
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve
> nts
> the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381160#381160
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_tailwheel_143.jpg
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>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
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> Time: 05:16:40 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: A swivel tailwheel question
> From: David Peters <dpeters160@gmail.com>
>
> Could you provide the part number of the Marco tailwheel assembly pictured;
> I don't seem to be able to find the same on the internet. Thank you.
> On Aug 18, 2012 5:03 PM, "Gary Aman" <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> [image: tail braces 003.JPG]
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
>> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 1:40 pm
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A swivel tailwheel question
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I went with a Matco. The Kolb handles so
>> much better....more like a real taildragger.
>> on my narrow strip.
>>
>> " I would recommend installing the tail post brackets on all Kolbs I just
>>
>> Ellery Batchelder Jr. "
>>
>> Can you show a picture of this tail post brackets ?
>>
>> --------
>> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
>> the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381160#381160
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_tailwheel_143.jpg
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>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
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> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:38:02 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Post supports
> From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld@aol.com>
>
>
> here is a PIC of the tail post supports that I think John Hauck came up wit
> h the tail wheel is much better than that Pizza cutter and it does make it
> handle more like a tail dragger
>
>
> Ellery Batchelder Jr.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 1:40 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: A swivel tailwheel question
>
>
>
> Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I went with a Matco. The Kolb handles
> so
> much better....more like a real taildragger.
> on my narrow strip.
>
> " I would recommend installing the tail post brackets on all Kolbs I just
>
>
> Ellery Batchelder Jr. "
>
> Can you show a picture of this tail post brackets ?
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve
> nts
> the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381160#381160
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_tailwheel_143.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:18:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Firestar II owner - question about elevator oscillations
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>
> Eric, That's great, and shows just how well this forum can work. I hope you
> have many safe and happy flying hours.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM, EricS <eric_savener@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I called Kolb and talked to Brian and he had the same suggestions as those
>> above. I tried them all and eventually what worked is the trim tab.
>>
>> I built the trim tab so that it adds nose up pitch per Brian's
>> instructions. My 503 Firestar now trims out around 54 mph and 5,400 RPM
>> versus 63 mph and 5,800 prior to adding the trim tab. The elevator has
>> never fluttered at this slow speed.
>>
>> Now when I pitch forward to increase speed, there is additional control
>> cable tension and stick pressure. Basically, the pilot HAS to keep a hand
>> on the stick to maintain 63-65 mph - the area where the elevator used to
>> occasionally flutter in turbulence.
>>
>> I am slowly building my "bump" tolerance for winds and thermals, but the
>> elevator has not fluttered in any conditions since adding the trim tab, so
>> for now at least, I consider the problem solved.
>>
>> Thanks again for everyone's input,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381106#381106
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail Post supports |
Thanks for the photo Ellery.
I beefed up to a thicker aluminum wall tubing and a larger and thicker steel welded
gusset and it's all covered up......
I've put it to the test and it seems to have done the trick.
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel |
I installed a matco tailwheel on my slingshot. Had a lot of
trouble ground looping cause the wheel would 'break' too
easily. Ted C
Ted C/Kolbers:
Do you have differential braking?
I'd have a difficult time flying my mkIII without
differential brakes.
john h
Sargents, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: clasic or extra for sale$$ |
I have a ELSA Extra finished in 2008 85 hrs, 350 hrs 912ul. 1260 lotus
floats with rudders, some rigging available,
was never fit to this craft. They need a little inexpensive repair.
Also have a set of 1650's for parts. $25K
Vic
In Maine
207-723-8441
---- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Brubaker
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: clasic or extra for sale$$
were looking for a 4 stroke kolb xtra or clasic . cheking
barnstormers adds all thi time. have been hopping the rite deal comes
along. feel free to call if anyone has something they would consider
selling. mal call any time
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Icom External Antenna
Thanks Boyd,
That's pretty much the way I installed it.So far I have'nt found a SWR
to tune it with,but it did.not interfere with flying because i just
switch the coax at the radio,a quick change from one antenna to the
other.
Thanks for all the pics.I appreciate all your efforts. G.Aman, P S
Marj says say hi to Becky!
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:05 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Icom External Antenna
Gary Aman wrote "This is actually covered in a March post from Boyd
Young, but I need some more particulars if you don't mind.Looks like
RG58, but what lengths do I start with before tuning with the SWR meter
Boyd?
Thanx G.Aman "
Gary Aman and the group
Gary had posted this picture of my antenna attached
'boyd-antenna.jpg'
I got to the airport yesterday and what I measured was, the center
conductor seemed as best as I could measure "21 1/2 inches" the braid
should be just as long but I would have had to remove all the floor
panels to measure it.
attached are some more pictures of the installation.
'Braid-location.jpg' shows the coax which is RG58 with bnc
connector,,, as it goes to the left front of the nose cone. ( the
length of the coax is not critical, long enough to reach without kinks
and pulls but the shorter the better, the length of the center
conductor and braid is critical. with the center conductor length being
most critical) also it shows the braid of the coax angling back to
under the floor panels. (I had to try different angles to get the best
swr.
'antenna-center.jpg' shows the center conductor going up vertical
along the left side of the nose cone. and the braid doubling back
through the fabric.
antennaleft.jpg shows the mid section of the antenna center
conductor vertical up the left side and across the top.
'antennaend.jpg' shows the antenna going across the top of the
nosecone. the antenna end in the photo coming from the right side is
my elt antenna, and the black long rubber duck in the front is my ham
radio tracker. with the tracker running, my wife can check my progress
on long trips so she does not have to worry. and if the track stops in
the middle of nowhere, she knows where to send the search.
you can see I mounted the center conductor as well as the braid in
short sections of drinking straw siliconed to the inside of the nose
cone. sections of duct tape were used in the trials. but with time
would fall off.
the 21 1/2 inches is the finished measurement + or - my measuring
skills while standing on my head, over under around and through the
rudders peddles and nose cone. I started with 25 inches and cut to
length and changed position of both the center conductor and braid,
while using an antenna analyzer that our ham radio club owns. it is
not the perfect location and I am sure I could improve radio coverage
with an external antenna and a better ground plane. but it works well
enough for my needs.
boyd young
kolb mkiii n1225y
ham radio extra n7wfm
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel |
John,
The only time I use my brakes in flight is just after lift-off. My wheel are
spinning so fast that they set up a strong vibration which shakes the whole plane.
My tires are worn down considerable, hopefully this annoyance will cease when
I get new better balanced tires on my Kolb.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: tail wheel |
<retroman@frontier.com>
The only time I use my brakes in flight is just after
lift-off. My wheel are spinning so fast that they set up a
strong vibration which shakes the whole plane.
Kolbers:
Golf cart, lawn mower, and other off road/slow speed tires
are not trued and balanced prior to leaving the factory.
Aircraft quality tires are trued and balanced prior to
delivery. Even then, aircraft tires and wheels will require
balancing after mounting.
john h
mkIII
Sargents, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Tail Post supports |
in your pic you dont have the supports that show in my pic, thicker aluminu
m tubing will not help the area of failure you had better take another look
at my pic the supports I am talking about are attached to the big Ring tha
t slips over the end of the tail boom tube under the elevators attachment p
oints and attach to the bottom tube that your tail wheel rod slides into th
is will help this vertical Tube from breaking under side load pressure
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:54 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tail Post supports
Thanks for the photo Ellery.
I beefed up to a thicker aluminum wall tubing and a larger and thicker ste
el
welded gusset and it's all covered up......
I've put it to the test and it seems to have done the trick.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve
nts
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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Subject: | Re: Tail Post supports |
Ellery,
I respectfully disagree. The non-turnable Pizza Cutter tail wheel puts a side torque
on the lower tail-fin midway, so when forced into a tight turn, it will
break, where as a swivel wheel eliminates this problem.
Take note where mine broke in two places. I don't believe your concept would offer
any solution to this, because you are reinforcing it in the wrong location.
Hope this photo helps clarify things.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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Subject: | Re: Flyin at Houghton Lake |
Rick....
I pulled the plug on this Thursday night when the weatherman predicted 20-30 mph
winds with lake effect rain showers though Saturday night.Friday was crappy,but
Saturday was nothing like they said it would be... Imagine that....I will
be out of town this coming weekend.Maybe this fall I will try it again,but it
will be a Saturday event.
I was really looking forward to this and will certainly try it again.I will let
you know in advance !
chris ambrose
M3X / Jabiru A-2200
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: Tail Post supports |
Dennis
I have never seen that kind of breakage. I have to ask if plane was built
to specifications. My MKIIIC has a fairly strong .125 wall bottom tube
that has in most Kolbs kept that kind of breakage from happening. Normally
we see side loads causing the problems Ellery has described the fix for. I
have had the turning bogie wheel and now the locking/swivel tail wheel on
my MKIIIC both of these wheels can produce the side loads that can cause
long term failure of the tail post without the fix.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote:
>
> Ellery,
>
> I respectfully disagree. The non-turnable Pizza Cutter tail wheel puts a
> side torque on the lower tail-fin midway, so when forced into a tight turn,
> it will break, where as a swivel wheel eliminates this problem.
>
> Take note where mine broke in two places. I don't believe your concept
> would offer any solution to this, because you are reinforcing it in the
> wrong location.
>
> Hope this photo helps clarify things.
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381274#381274
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/two_fractures_101.jpg
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tail Post supports |
Thank You Rick I have just repaired my second Tail post on a different kol
b in the same place and this is no longer a problem area with the side loa
d supports just my experience but results may differ from other views
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tail Post supports
Dennis
I have never seen that kind of breakage. I have to ask if plane was built t
o specifications. My MKIIIC has a fairly strong .125 wall bottom tube that
has in most Kolbs kept that kind of breakage from happening. Normally we s
ee side loads causing the problems Ellery has described the fix for. I have
had the turning bogie wheel and now the locking/swivel tail wheel on my MK
IIIC both of these wheels can produce the side loads that can cause long te
rm failure of the tail post without the fix.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dennis Thate <retroman@frontier.com> wrote
:
Ellery,
I respectfully disagree. The non-turnable Pizza Cutter tail wheel puts a si
de torque on the lower tail-fin midway, so when forced into a tight turn, i
t will break, where as a swivel wheel eliminates this problem.
Take note where mine broke in two places. I don't believe your concept woul
d offer any solution to this, because you are reinforcing it in the wrong l
ocation.
Hope this photo helps clarify things.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve
nts the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381274#381274
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arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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Subject: | Re: Tail Post supports |
Thank You Rick I have just repairedmy second Tail post on
a different kolb in the same place and this is no longer a
problem area with the side load supports just my experience
but results may differ from other views
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
Kolbers:
We can thank Dan Horton, one of my flying buddies, for
coming up with the tail post fix. Can't remember how many
times we repaired and modified my mkIII tail post until Dan
came up with the idea of adding external bracing. Haven't
had any problem with mine since.
john h
mkIII
Sargents, Colorado
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