---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/23/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:08 AM - Re: BRS soft pack and gap seal conundrum (vic) 2. 11:52 AM - Kolb Firestar cockpit enclosure (Dennis Thate) 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar cockpit enclosure (John Hauck) 4. 12:43 PM - Re: BRS soft pack and gap seal conundrum (Charlie England) 5. 03:42 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar cockpit enclosure (Dennis Thate) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:24 AM PST US From: "vic" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS soft pack and gap seal conundrum Dave They make velcro for high heat. One is called Dashboard. Google it Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kulp To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: Kolb-List: BRS soft pack and gap seal conundrum OK Kolbers, Got one for you! Brother Don built an aluminum gap seal when he built my FlagFly. I bought a BRS soft pack, which fits in the gap and takes the shape of the wing from the leading edge back about 10". In order for the rocket, which is behind the gap seal, to pull the 'chute from the soft pack, which is beneath the gap seal, I cut some of the aluminum that covered it and replaced it with Dacron, held down with Velcro. If the circumstance arose that I needed to use it, the rocket would blast off and drag the 'chute through the Dacron, which would give way due to the Velcro. Unfortunately, the hot sun has melted the glue on the Velcro and it's pretty much a gooey mess any more, so I got a sheet of plexiglass to make another gap seal, and bent it to fit, intending to attach it with short bungies to the BRS frame. Although the rocket is behind the plexiglass, the 'chute is beneath it. What I'm figuring on doing is tracing the area of the plexiglass that needs to give if the 'chute is pulled and cut it almost completely off, but leaving a few tabs of uncut material, like two in front and one on each side at the very rear. If the 'chute is pulled the nylon strap that attaches the ballistic projectile from the rocket to the 'chute should break off the rear tabs and when the "trapdoor" opens the front two tabs will either hinge or break away, as well. Then I can drift slowly back to earth. If anyone has another idea, or has done it a different way, I'd really like to hear from you. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK PS Another consideration is that the nylon strap may easily lift and bend the gap seal from the rear and to simply use small gauge bungies to hold it down. It would likely remain in place with nothing holding it since the wind actually pushes the gap seal tighter into place, and all the bungies would do is hold the back edge down so it doesn't vibrate or flap in the wind. Another way might be to cut slots from side to side at the front of the soft pack to make a hinge in case the whole gap seal doesn't detach from the leading edge of the wing... I'd like more minds to mull this over. Thanks. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar cockpit enclosure From: "Dennis Thate" I'm considering extending my Kolb Firestar's flying season by enclosing the cockpit area. I would like to see some original cockpit enclosure designs others have built. From cheap and quick to more elaborate designs. I've seen some very creative designs locally, but would like to see a wider sampling of other Firestars across the country. Please list type of materials used also. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381638#381638 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar cockpit enclosure Travis Brown, at Kolb Aircraft, is a good source for info and materials for building a full enclosure. john h mkIII Sargents, Colorado I'm considering extending my Kolb Firestar's flying season by enclosing the cockpit area. I would like to see some original cockpit enclosure designs others have built. From cheap and quick to more elaborate designs. I've seen some very creative designs locally, but would like to see a wider sampling of other Firestars across the country. Please list type of materials used also. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:10 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: BRS soft pack and gap seal conundrum Or just buy some without adhesive, & attach it to the frame with epoxy & the fabric with thread (sewing machine). Charlie On 08/23/2012 07:34 AM, vic wrote: > Dave > They make velcro for high heat. One is called Dashboard. Google it > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Kulp > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:00 PM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: BRS soft pack and gap seal conundrum > > > > > OK Kolbers, > > Got one for you! Brother Don built an aluminum gap seal when he > built > my FlagFly. I bought a BRS soft pack, which fits in the gap and > takes > the shape of the wing from the leading edge back about 10". In order > for the rocket, which is behind the gap seal, to pull the 'chute from > the soft pack, which is beneath the gap seal, I cut some of the > aluminum > that covered it and replaced it with Dacron, held down with > Velcro. If > the circumstance arose that I needed to use it, the rocket would > blast > off and drag the 'chute through the Dacron, which would give way > due to > the Velcro. > > Unfortunately, the hot sun has melted the glue on the Velcro and it's > pretty much a gooey mess any more, so I got a sheet of plexiglass to > make another gap seal, and bent it to fit, intending to attach it > with > short bungies to the BRS frame. Although the rocket is behind the > plexiglass, the 'chute is beneath it. What I'm figuring on doing is > tracing the area of the plexiglass that needs to give if the > 'chute is > pulled and cut it almost completely off, but leaving a few tabs of > uncut > material, like two in front and one on each side at the very > rear. If > the 'chute is pulled the nylon strap that attaches the ballistic > projectile from the rocket to the 'chute should break off the rear > tabs > and when the "trapdoor" opens the front two tabs will either hinge or > break away, as well. Then I can drift slowly back to earth. > > If anyone has another idea, or has done it a different way, I'd > really > like to hear from you. > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > FireFly 11DMK > > PS Another consideration is that the nylon strap may easily lift and > bend the gap seal from the rear and to simply use small gauge > bungies to > hold it down. It would likely remain in place with nothing > holding it > since the wind actually pushes the gap seal tighter into place, > and all > the bungies would do is hold the back edge down so it doesn't > vibrate or > flap in the wind. Another way might be to cut slots from side to > side > at the front of the soft pack to make a hinge in case the whole > gap seal > doesn't detach from the leading edge of the wing... > > I'd like more minds to mull this over. p; Navigator > Photoshare, and > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp; > via the Web > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar cockpit enclosure From: "Dennis Thate" Here is one photo of a original top notch example. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. 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