---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/11/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (Thom Riddle) 2. 09:10 AM - Re: what size IVO prop for a 582 (Richard Girard) 3. 09:32 AM - Re: STOL Speed VG's (Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS) 4. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (b young) 5. 12:26 PM - Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (Carolina Flyer) 6. 12:38 PM - Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (Carolina Flyer) 7. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (David Peters) 8. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (Larry Cottrell) 9. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (Larry Cottrell) 10. 02:02 PM - Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (Carolina Flyer) 11. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra (vic) 12. 07:16 PM - Re: Aileron trim tab (Rick Neilsen) 13. 07:43 PM - Firestar wanted i (Malcolm Brubaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: "Thom Riddle" When I bought my Slingshot it had the 8.00x6 tires on Matco wheels and they were pretty well balanced w/o any weights on the wheels. No noticeable vibration before getting airborne, so apparently mine were some of the good ones. I had no issues with those tires except they were meant for grass and I am based at a paved airport. I downsized to 15x6-6 tires which required a lot of tape-a-weights to get them vibration free. So luck of the draw can be certainly a factor. FWIW, the self-adhesive on the weights was not sufficient for the job so I used rtv to stick the weights in place and then taped over them with electrical tape. Sort of ugly but since I have wheel pants it does not show. I used a go-kart type wheel balancer which worked quite well. In the future, I would follow John Hauck's advise and pay extra for real aircraft tires which generally need no balancing on the wheel. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382858#382858 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: what size IVO prop for a 582 From: Richard Girard Tom, Up front, I don't like IVO Props. In my opinion they are poorly made and the tolerance they allow when welding the hook on the blade adjustment rod has been off by at least one degree on every IVO I've ever measured. Do yourself a favor. Borrow a prop protractor, measure a few IVO's for pitch variations between blades and make your own informed decision. If you have a friend with a two blade IVO, ask them to loosen and retorque the prop while you watch the prop cover plate BEND. The last one I installed for a customer had to have the spacers machined to prevent this. Last, choose your prop by what gearbox you will run on your 582. If you have a "B" box the prop inertia limit will help direct your selection. MHO. Rick Girard On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:03 PM, tombaisley wrote: > > What size IVO prop should I be looking for to use on my MKIII w/582 grey > head? > two or three blades? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382832#382832 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: STOL Speed VG's From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" kinne russ asked: << Who suggested putting them in the trailing edge of the hor. stab? >> Russ - Placing VG's on the underside of the H.stabilizer - just ahead of the elevator hinge line - has been an oft-suggested bit of advice for a long time. The idea is, since your plane now stalls at a lower speed, you'll likely be at a somewhat higher angle of attack, just before stall. Many folks have observed that, at this high AoA, they begin to lose up-elevator effectiveness at the airplane approaches stall speed. Airflow flowing aft from the stab is separating at the hinge line because of the steep deflection of your elevator. Placing several VGs just ahead of the elevator keeps the airflow "connected" as it flows past the elevator hinge line, thus maintaining elevator authority all the way down to below stall speed. I installed VGs on my Mark-3 last fall, including on the stab. Although I was not losing elevator authority prior to installing them, I did notice that, after installing VGs there, my pitch authority just before touchdown was now a bit more sensitive. Not a bad thing - forces me to be more precise in my elevator movements to get that smooth touchdown! Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912 New Mexico ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:44 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra Talking about the wavy-tread 8.00 tires, that Kolb Factory usually equips with their Kolbras. Cheap, made in China tires. During the takeoff roll, when my plane got to 30 mph, the instrument panel would vibrate so badly I could not even read the instruments. Unfortunately, the Matco rims they were on could not be balanced. Not designed to take rim weights. Dennis Kirby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis I went to a local tire shop and asked if they had the stick on weights,,, they fit on the inside of the rim near where the valve stem comes out. worked ok for me. boyd young mkiii utah ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: "Carolina Flyer" Now and again a topic on here comes up that I know a little about. The Tires that alot of people refer to as Tundra Tires are no where near to being anything like the original Alaskan Tundra Tires. The only characteristic the tires have that are similar to the real thing is being big, and actually they are not really all that big either. I have been selling a Tundra Tire set-up for a few years now, and they have many of the characteristic of the real ones. 1) Big 21"x 12" x 8" 2) light weight 3) soft and pliable. 4) smooth so they can slide and be more forgiving.... They are just like the real Tundra Tires, but just cost a friction of the cost of the original Bush Tires. If anyone needs any just send me a message. I can fix you up with the whole set-up. Tires, Wheels, and Brakes, or any individual item. The Wheels are Custom Made and Heat Treated, 8" Diameter and your choice of width. I use a Wheel that has a 9" width. I have even shipped out of the County,and I have them being used on Kolbs, Challenger's, KitFox., Avids, Rans, Ridge Runners, Phantoms even on some Trikes....l. Rotax Rick down in Naples Florida was my 1st Customer, and he Loved his -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382891#382891 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tires1_large_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00448_large_209.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00454_large_133.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: "Carolina Flyer" In this Picture you can see the wheels with two different off-sets -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382894#382894 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_075_large_186.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: David Peters Do you have a web-site? Thank you. On Sep 11, 2012 12:28 PM, "Carolina Flyer" wrote: > > Now and again a topic on here comes up that I know a little about. The > Tires that alot of people refer to as Tundra Tires are no where near to > being anything like the original Alaskan Tundra Tires. The only > characteristic the tires have that are similar to the real thing is being > big, and actually they are not really all that big either. I have been > selling a Tundra Tire set-up for a few years now, and they have many of the > characteristic of the real ones. 1) Big 21"x 12" x 8" 2) light weight 3) > soft and pliable. 4) smooth so they can slide and be more forgiving.... > They are just like the real Tundra Tires, but just cost a friction of the > cost of the original Bush Tires. If anyone needs any just send me a > message. I can fix you up with the whole set-up. Tires, Wheels, and Brakes, > or any individual item. The Wheels are Custom Made and Heat Treated, 8" > Diameter and your choice of width. I use a Wheel that has a 9" width. I > have even shipped out of the County,and I have them! > being used on Kolbs, Challenger's, KitFox., Avids, Rans, Ridge Runners, > Phantoms even on some Trikes....l. Rotax Rick down in Naples Florida was my > 1st Customer, and he Loved his > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382891#382891 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tires1_large_108.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00448_large_209.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00454_large_133.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: Larry Cottrell Why don't you give us some prices of the set up? Larry On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > Now and again a topic on here comes up that I know a little about. The > Tires that alot of people refer to as Tundra Tires are no where near to > being anything like the original Alaskan Tundra Tires. The only > characteristic the tires have that are similar to the real thing is being > big, and actually they are not really all that big either. I have been > selling a Tundra Tire set-up for a few years now, and they have many of the > characteristic of the real ones. 1) Big 21"x 12" x 8" 2) light weight 3) > soft and pliable. 4) smooth so they can slide and be more forgiving.... > They are just like the real Tundra Tires, but just cost a friction of the > cost of the original Bush Tires. If anyone needs any just send me a > message. I can fix you up with the whole set-up. Tires, Wheels, and Brakes, > or any individual item. The Wheels are Custom Made and Heat Treated, 8" > Diameter and your choice of width. I use a Wheel that has a 9" width. I > have even shipped out of the County,and I have them! > being used on Kolbs, Challenger's, KitFox., Avids, Rans, Ridge Runners, > Phantoms even on some Trikes....l. Rotax Rick down in Naples Florida was my > 1st Customer, and he Loved his > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382891#382891 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tires1_large_108.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00448_large_209.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00454_large_133.jpg > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: Larry Cottrell I would be interested in the weight of all the necessary ingredients as well. Larry On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > In this Picture you can see the wheels with two different off-sets > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382894#382894 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_075_large_186.jpg > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra From: "Carolina Flyer" Here is a Picture of 1 Wheel with a Tire and the Black Max Wheel Hub on a weight scale at our local Post Office........... The price of the complete set-up is $779.00 plus Shipping Cost... I have always shipped the tires already mounted on the rims, that way I know the buyer will not have any problems. The complete set-up can be fitted on in less than an hour. -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382901#382901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tirewheel_and_wheel_hub_on_scale_large_180.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:47 PM PST US From: "vic" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 8.5 X 6 tires on a Kolbra Nice ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron trim tab From: Rick Neilsen Aileron trim tabs are good and will hide the effects of poorly rigged wings but why not fix the wing rigging. Kolb makes a optional fixture that allows the trailing edge of one or both wings to be moved up or down to correct most miss rigging issues. Again trim tabs can hide the effects of poorly rigged wings but there is more drag when a aileron needs to change the direction of a wing, when it can just be pointed where it should be. Richard Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM, David Peters wrote: > If the plane flies straight and level in cruise flight you din't need it. > > > On Friday, September 7, 2012, David Kulp wrote: > > I have tabs on all 3 axis. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 7, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Larry Cottrell > wrote: > > > > I do on both! > > Larry > > > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:22 AM, tombaisley wrote: > >> > >> > >> How many people have a trim tab on their aileron? Should it be there at > all? or on the rudder? 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