---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/26/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder (Thom Riddle) 2. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder (b young) 3. 09:47 AM - Firestar II copit photos... (Nick Cassara) 4. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder (Gerry Visel) 5. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder (Gary Aman) 6. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder (Gary Aman) 7. 02:15 PM - Visiting Oregon.. (Nick Cassara) 8. 03:25 PM - Re: CARB HEAT// Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder (Dan) 9. 08:29 PM - Re: Firestar II copit photos... (EricS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder From: "Thom Riddle" Gary, Unless your Jab2200 is a very very early one, the Bing carb on it is a 94 (40mm). They used a 64 model (36mm) for only a short while and it didn't take them very long to determine it was not big enough. However, they are of similar design and function much the same way, I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 years I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detecting it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle idle to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in warm weather with high humidity. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386030#386030 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/carb_icing_chart_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:29 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was up ,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some funny/different noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit more noise, and landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried out and could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb. I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor configuration. boyd young mkiii 912 utah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary, I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 years I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detecting it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle idle to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in warm weather with high humidity. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:19 AM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II copit photos... Hello Kolbers, Winter is closing in, here in the far north, and it is time to get busy building again. I am trying to complete the kit that has the Kolbra "prototype fuselage." For my conversation with Jim Hauck, who built the prototype, what I have is basically a Firestar III. I have a pile of instruments, and gear that needs to find a home on the panel and in the front. If you have a Firestar and like the way you have set things up, please post a photo so that I can benefit from your knowledge. Thanks, for the help! Nick Cassara Palmer, Ak N607AK ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder From: Gerry Visel Is there a carb heat mod for the 503? --Gerry On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM, b young wrote: > > I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was > up ,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was > coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some > funny/different noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit > more noise, and landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried > out and could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb. > I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day > after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb > heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor > configuration. > > boyd young > mkiii 912 utah ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder From: Gary Aman It must be a 94.Don't see any identification on the casting,just looked lik e a 64. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:19 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder Gary, Unless your Jab2200 is a very very early one, the Bing carb on it is a 94 (40mm). They used a 64 model (36mm) for only a short while and it didn't ta ke them very long to determine it was not big enough. However, they are of sim ilar design and function much the same way, I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 year s I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detect ing it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle id le to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in warm weather wi th high humidity. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386030#386030 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/carb_icing_chart_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder From: Gary Aman The ice will build at cruise power settings,and the power loss is so gradua l that you may not catch it.But you WILL notice when the ice breaks loose a nd the engine gags on it for a couple of revolutions.It gets me at warm up speeds,1100rpm,and will almost die without heat.If you go to idle it will q uit.It must ice over those small ports just aft of the throttle plate as we ll.You've seen some pictures of the fog we get up here,great flying above t he broken stuff but icing down low. G.A. -----Original Message----- From: b young Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:48 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was u p ,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some funny/different noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit mor e noise, and landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried out an d could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb. I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor configuration. boyd young mkiii 912 utah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary, I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 year s I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detecting it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle idle to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was i n warm weather with high humidity. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:30 PM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Visiting Oregon.. Hello Oregon Kolb flyers, I will be visiting in Oregon over the Holidays. Around Xmas I will be in the Medford area, and in Portland around New Years. If you live in either of these areas and are interested in showing for your Kolb, I would enjoy meeting you and your plane. Please Email me directly off list. Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska L.E. Please do not archive this post ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:11 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: Kolb-List:CARB HEAT// Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder Yes, and simple.http://legacy.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/serviceinfo/4ul94. pdf --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Gerry Visel wrote: From: Gerry Visel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder -- Is there a carb heat mod for the 503? --Gerry =0AOn Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM, b young wrot e: =0A I had a similar episode -last spring... - about 60 65 deg f -humidity was up ,high but not extremely high, - - -I had been out about an ho ur and was coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some funny/different noises,,, -cycled the throttle a couple of tim es, a bit more noise, -and landed promptly. - when I shut the engine do wn I hurried out and could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of th e carb. =0AI have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid d ay after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. - he had to -add a ca rb heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor config uration. =0A boyd young ========================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II copit photos... From: "EricS" Hi Nick, I visited your area 4 years ago in an RV with my Dad towing my amphib. trike and we flew over the Knik glacier from a nearby ROUGH bush flying field. The one thing that sticks with you after flying in Alaska and seeing so many cool looking bush planes is all those BIG tires. I love to land out and I put BIG tires on my trike as soon as I returned to Texas. When I bought my Kold Firestar II a few months back, it had 18" tundra tires on it that were worn out and needed replacing. I bought the largest tires I could afford - 21" tires for $100 each plus $40 BIG tubes to go inside them. The next step up is real 26" Alaska Bushwheels for $1,000 each. I can land my Kolb on the roughest fields with these BIG marshmallow tires as long as my LOW wingtips on my "high" wing won't scrape the bushes (or grader terraces in some cases on gravel roads). My recommendation for any airplane flying at Kolb Firestar speeds is to get the BIGGEST tires you can afford. Here's a pic of the shadow of my Kolb flying over one of my crosswind practice areas. I love it because it highlights those BIG tires! Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386092#386092 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_big_tires_shadow_435.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.