---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/30/12: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: Newbie Questions? (Thom Riddle) 2. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Newbie Questions? (Gerry Visel) 3. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Newbie Questions? (Martin Koxxy) 4. 07:50 PM - Account (Brad Nation) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Newbie Questions? From: "Thom Riddle" I think it is important to differentiate between the Long Wing Challenger and the Clipped Wing version. The Long Wing is much less responsive in roll than the clipped wing and with the enclosed canopy installed can be difficult to manage in windy situations, even with the horizontal stabilizer mods. For a given amount of power, the Challenger is faster than a MkIIIC (never flown an Xtra so I can't comment from personal experience). This is largely due to the engine being hidden somewhat behind the fuselage substantially reducing drag compared to Kolbs mostly above wing engine mounting. The Clipped wing Challenger is faster than the Long Wing and much more pleasant to fly. I've instructed in both a Challenger and MkIIIC and for instruction, I prefer the MkIII. For solo flight or with a passenger, I prefer the tandem seating configuration, except for long x-country flights. If you are interested in the tandem seating, I consider a Clipped Wing Challenger to be viable but Kolb's Firestar II, Slingshot, and Kolbra are better all around airplanes. Of these tandem seat Kolbs, the Kolbra is the only one with dual controls. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386267#386267 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Newbie Questions? From: Gerry Visel Does anybody on the list here with a Mark III live around northern Illinois? It sure would be nice to see one up close before investing... Are there any support/dealers in the area? Thanks, Gerry Visel Winnebago, near Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Newbie Questions? From: Martin Koxxy As an alternative to the Challenger, you might also consider the Excalibur - reportedly the better flying plane. I looked at a kit under construction and liked it: adequate room in both seats, dual controls, amazing STOL performance, but the big wing is not that easy to take off, and there is virtually no baggage space. For me, the question is how to store the plane between flights. Here in the NW, we don't have to worry too much about frost and snow, but it does rain a lot. If you have a hangar, a plane like the Challenger or Excalibur (tube & fabric wing) makes sense. If you want to store in a partial hangar or a trailer, the Kolbs can't be beat, with their easy and fast wing folding. If you need to tie down in the elements, an all-metal wing is better. I am in that last group: I am working with Mark Beierle of Earthstar Aircraft to design me a tandem version of his eGull 2000 (electric propulsion), and I have flown his staggered-seat side-by-side Odyssey with him (HKS). All Mark's designs use a single-piece cantilevered (no struts) all-aluminum wing, similar to the Titan Tornado. If that does not work out, the Kolbra is my plan B. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > I think it is important to differentiate between the Long Wing Challenger > and the Clipped Wing version. The Long Wing is much less responsive in roll > than the clipped wing and with the enclosed canopy installed can be > difficult to manage in windy situations, even with the horizontal > stabilizer mods. For a given amount of power, the Challenger is faster than > a MkIIIC (never flown an Xtra so I can't comment from personal experience). > This is largely due to the engine being hidden somewhat behind the fuselage > substantially reducing drag compared to Kolbs mostly above wing engine > mounting. The Clipped wing Challenger is faster than the Long Wing and much > more pleasant to fly. I've instructed in both a Challenger and MkIIIC and > for instruction, I prefer the MkIII. > > For solo flight or with a passenger, I prefer the tandem seating > configuration, except for long x-country flights. If you are interested in > the tandem seating, I consider a Clipped Wing Challenger to be viable but > Kolb's Firestar II, Slingshot, and Kolbra are better all around airplanes. > Of these tandem seat Kolbs, the Kolbra is the only one with dual controls. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > > Diamond Katana DA20-A1 > Rotax 912 F3 > > Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. > - Anonymous > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386267#386267 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Account From: Brad Nation Matt, I am unable to access my account. It should be username: bnation (I think) and the email address is nationcap@comcast.net I have tried to reset it via the web page but keep getting errors that the username and or email don't match. You may have reset my account once before but I can't seem to find that information. Brad Nation On Jun 29, 2012, at 10:48 , Matt Dralle wrote: > > Web site is still up. Here's the link: > > http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=FAA-2012-0350-0001 > > Your comment matters. Let's get this passed! > > Matt Dralle > > > At 09:02 AM 6/29/2012 Friday, you wrote: >> >> Kolbers: >> >>> From what I can tell, that comment website has been closed out... >> (So much for the 02 July deadline...) >> >> You can still send it via FAX to (202) 493-2251 >> >> This IS a significant issue for general aviation pilots... >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> Beauford >> FF-076 >> Brandon, FL >> -------------------------------------- >> >> >> Have you commented on the 3rd Class medical exemption request? 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