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1. 08:00 AM - Re: CFI with KOLB? (Richard Girard)
2. 09:56 AM - Re: CFI with KOLB? (Dana Hague)
3. 02:39 PM - Re: CFI with KOLB? (Malcolm Brubaker)
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with KOLB? |
For a CFI to train you in an ELSA Kolb that he owns (there are no SLSA
Kolbs) will require him to get what is known as a Letter of Deviation
Authority from the FAA. LODA's are granted for transition training, not
primary flight training, so you might as well take the training for an
airplane SP ticket from whomever is available in your area, then make
arrangements to get the specific transition training afterward.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, alienwes <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I think the best way to learn if I want a KOLB is to find a CFI who trains
> in one. Does anyone know of a CFI with a KOLB? Also, any recommendations on
> who is the best for learning to fly a KOLB? I live in New Mexico and would
> appreciate any leads.
>
> I am a current Sport Pilot with Powered Parachute endorsement.
>
> Wesley Elliott
>
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> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390556#390556
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with KOLB? |
At 11:00 AM 12/17/2012, Richard Girard wrote:
>For a CFI to train you in an ELSA Kolb that he owns (there are no SLSA
>Kolbs) will require him to get what is known as a Letter of Deviation
>Authority from the FAA. LODA's are granted for transition training, not
>primary flight training...
Actually, a LODA can now be issued for primary training in an "ultralight
like" experimental, be it ELSA or E-AB. The hours don't count toward any
certificate. I don't know how many, if any, have actually been issued, though.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with KOLB? |
ther is another way to get the experence you need =0AI sponsor a "fly for f
un club". I was a BFI in the later days of Ultralight flying before Light s
port was created. I now have an EAB and provide people with the experience
of flying - for ultralights and some transition experience through my club,
"Malcolm's fly for fun club". When a person joins my club, they read the m
ission statement for the club and sign a waiver, after that they are a memb
er for life. The dues they pay are directly related to the activty they par
ticipate in. Because I am not a CFI their experience is not applicable to a
ny rating. I follow the ASC BFI training syllabus and really enjoy doing it
. I also go to fly-ins and give discovery flights; we really have a good ti
me. =0AThe FAA has published some information on flying clubs, the EAA has
also. I have talked to the EAA about this topic several times and feel I h
ave a good handle on the concept and process. Some industry leaders have to
ld me that the Club thing is probably the only thing that ultralights have
left as far as training goes. =0AMy original concept was to have a nationa
l organization dedicated to the idea of creating flying clubs; charging peo
ple to join as a BFI, having requirements and offering benefits like the EA
A, ASC and USUA once did. But, I have decided to take a different approach.
Now I would like to post the guidelines and concepts for free on all the
user groups. Kind of like a real grass roots flying club. It would be nice
if people used the "fly for fun club" phrase in the name of their club, as
this would lead to a recognition of the legitimacy of the program. It can
be as complicated as the sponsor wants it to be; using a corporation, findi
ng insurance, becoming a CFI or whatever the individual wants to do with it
.=0AI decided not to become a CFI because in Michigan, if I fly 50 hrs a ye
ar and charge the going rate for instruction, at $70/hr It would be hard to
gross $3,500 a year and most 2 seat airplane operators know that would nev
er come close to making a profit in this industry.=0AA club sponsor, the ow
ner of the plane, would be responsible for promoting the club concept to ev
eryone he flies with and would need to be vigilant when conducting club act
ivities, as much as any other "professional" in the aviation industry . =0A
The "Club thing" is not just a loop hole schemed up to raise havoc and chao
s in the flying community . It's not for everyone. I know if a guy does not
like the idea I'll never convince him; and I don't want to waste my time
trying. However, the skeptics have helped me develop the concept. =0ASince
the FAA has no requirement that a club be formed with a written contract,a
corporation,or insured, once the concept is fully understood by the club s
ponsor and the club member, an informal understanding between these 2 peopl
e is all that is required for participation; and the flying club is up and
running. =0AThis sounds simple, and it is. There are those who choose to i
nsist that such simple things do not exist, such as "ultralights". But, ot
hers of us realize that they do, and it is up to us to utilize them while w
e still can. =0AAn "Ultralight" story by Malcolm Brubaker =0AOne day Bigf
oot was down at the lake when the local Mermaid appeared. "It's been a whil
e since I've seen you, Big Guy!" she said. "What have you been up to?". "Le
arning to fly" was Bigfoot's response. =0A"I don't see any wings on your ba
ck, Angel..." =0A"Of course not, I built an Ultralight aircraft!"=0A"What!
Everyone knows there is no such thing as an "Ultralight."=0A"Sure there is.
Wait here, I will show you."=0ABigfoot took off down the path. As he round
ed a curve he saw Tinkerbell; she was hovering over what appeared to be a h
uman, furiously beating her wings and apparently talking to herself. Bigfoo
t thought, "what's that nutty blond doing now?" As he approached he could m
ake out her words... "I DO believe in Ultralights, I DO, I DO..." over and
over again.=0A"Tinkerbell, What are you doing! What happened to the human?"
exclaimed Bigfoot.=0ATinkerbell responded, somewhat breathlessly, "Don't y
ou know? Everytime someone says "There is no such thing as Ultralights", so
mewhere, another pilot dies!"=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport
Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/=0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AG
reat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A
=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://mich
igansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Af
or Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A_____
___________________________=0A From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>=0AT
o: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:55 PM=0ASu
bject: Re: Kolb-List: CFI with KOLB?=0A =0A=0AAt 11:00 AM 12/17/2012, Rich
ard Girard wrote:=0A=0AFor a CFI to train you in an ELSA=0AKolb that he own
s (there are no SLSA Kolbs) will require him to get what=0Ais known as a Le
tter of Deviation Authority from the FAA. LODA's are=0Agranted for transiti
on training, not primary flight=0Atraining...=0AActually, a LODA can now be
issued for primary training in an=0A"ultralight like" experimental, be it
ELSA or E-AB.- The=0Ahours don't count toward any certificate.- I don't
know how many, if=0Aany, have actually been issued, though.=0A=0A-Dana=0A
=0A-- =0AThe only correct outcome to an armed robbery attempt is a dead arm
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