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1. 03:34 AM - Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL? (Watkinsdw)
2. 05:28 AM - Retrofitting inspection rings (Lanny Fetterman)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Ducati SS)
4. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Lanny Fetterman)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Jabiru TBI (Thom Riddle)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (John Hauck)
7. 07:11 AM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Richard Girard)
8. 12:10 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/19/12 (George Bearden)
9. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Ellery Batchelder Jr)
10. 04:20 PM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (wakataka)
11. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL? |
I am thinking about relocating to the Space Coast of Florida.
Are there any Kolb listers at Arthur Dunn Apt (X21?).
It has a nice grass strip as well as a paved runway, and AirNav lists 20 "Ultralights."
Dave Watkins
Mk3 Classic
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| Subject: | Retrofitting inspection rings |
When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can
they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted?
I still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the
rings, correct? N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his restored
super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to the
ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed right
over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and
the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the
name of the product I will contact him and get it for you.
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
Thanks Ducati, I would appreciate that information.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ducati SS
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:49 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings
I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his
restored super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be
applied to the ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and
repositioned if needed right over the existing paint. I believe he said that
heat activates the glue and the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor
the list and if no one has the name of the product I will contact him and
get it for you.
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Colin,
What are your "heat problems" with the Jab running the Bing 94? I have no experience
with the TBI but have a good bit of experience with a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb
Slingshot. Perhaps I , or one of the other experienced Jabiru/Kolbers, can
help.
If you are determined to change to TBI, I suggest you ask your question on the
Jabiru Engines Forum on Yahoo Groups website. In any case, they will want to know
what you mean specifically by "heat problems". There are several on that list
who have changed to TBI or AeroCarb, some with success, some not so much.
Most of them (tractor configurations) did it to have manual control over mixture.
If that is your desire, installing a HACman on the Bing will accomplish that,
or even making your own is a fairly simple process. That said, I was able
to get the EGTs with the Bing exactly where they should be at cruise and full
power climb by installing Jabiru's economy tuning kit.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Retrofitting inspection rings |
On Behalf Of Lanny Fetterman
When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can they
be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I still
have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the rings,
correct? N598LF
Lanny/Kolbers:
Retrofit inspection rings like you would apply a patch to the fabric.
1-Prep the area (clean and scuff).
2-Polytak the inspection ring to the fabric.
3-Cut out a round patch about the size of a No. 10/gallon coffee can.
4-Polybrush the patch over inspection ring.
5-Polyspray, if you want to, and paint.
You don't have to cut out the hole in the inspection ring until you need to
gain access for inspection.
I would not try to glue the inspection ring to the fabric. It probably will
not get the job done.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
Lanny, It depends upon the result you want. For results that will make it
look like you put them there when you did your original cover you'll want
to use MEK and remove all the coats down to bare fabric in the area where
you want to put the inspection rings and install them per the manual. Treat
them as you would a patch and install them with a 50/50 mix of MEK thinned
Poly Tack, not Poly Brush.
The next best method is to install over the current coatings, again using a
thinned Poly Tack. Once you have the rings on and the cover fabric glued
down use a Tape Down sheet, a product my company sells that allows you to
use a sealing iron to melt the coatings and drive the edge of the fabric
down into the existing Poly Tone for a perfect seamless installation.
Tape Down is a high temperature fabric that allows the heat of the iron to
pass through it without allowing the heat softened coatings to stick to the
iron. Guaranteed to work or your money back. $12 for a 6 inch square sheet
that lasts a life time. I sealed over 200 feet of tape edge on Ken Holle's
Mk IIIX with a single sheet of Tape Down and it's still like new. It saves
all the work, money and mess of removing coatings and pays for itself the
first time you use it.
The least perfect method is to just glue new fabric on and coat with Poly
Brush, Poly Spray and Poly Tone to match the color with the original
coatings. The fabric edges will stick up and it will look like what it is a
scabbed on patch. It will be functional but ugly.
Contact me off list to buy Tape Down.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Lanny Fetterman <donaho1@verizon.net>wrote:
> When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can
> they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I
> still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the
> rings, correct? N598LF
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/19/12 |
> there are no "silly" questions; <snip> So ask away!
If psychiatry is the answer, what is the question?
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
Use polytak glue
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: hiwingflyer6219@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:50 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings
I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his resto
red
super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to
the
ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed r
ight
over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and
the
ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the
name
of the product I will contact him and get it for you.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
Let me preface this by saying I haven't done it this way myself yet, but I really
trust the guy who gave me the information. He's a Reno racer who's built or
rebuilt more than a dozen fabric airplanes. He say's the best way to retrofit
inspection ports is to use Liquid Nails silicone adhesive that you can buy at
Home Depot. It doesn't wrinkle the paint like Polytak will do. He puts the adhesive
on both inner and outer rings and then clamps them together using Cleco
Clamps, which are small little clamps that you can set using Cleco pliers.
You need a lot of clamps (maybe 10 or 12) to keep the rings from wrinkling. He's
been doing it this way for many years and has done test sections on spare pieces
of fabric to test the bond. He claims it's stronger than Polytak. I bought
the materials to put in some inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten
around to doing it yet.
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There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
He claims it's stronger than Polytak. I bought the materials to put in some
inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
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There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
Let us know how it works out.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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