---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/20/12: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:34 AM - Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL? (Watkinsdw) 2. 05:28 AM - Retrofitting inspection rings (Lanny Fetterman) 3. 05:50 AM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Ducati SS) 4. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Lanny Fetterman) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: Jabiru TBI (Thom Riddle) 6. 07:06 AM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (John Hauck) 7. 07:11 AM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Richard Girard) 8. 12:10 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/19/12 (George Bearden) 9. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (Ellery Batchelder Jr) 10. 04:20 PM - Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (wakataka) 11. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL? From: "Watkinsdw" I am thinking about relocating to the Space Coast of Florida. Are there any Kolb listers at Arthur Dunn Apt (X21?). It has a nice grass strip as well as a paved runway, and AirNav lists 20 "Ultralights." Dave Watkins Mk3 Classic Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390733#390733 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:23 AM PST US From: "Lanny Fetterman" Subject: Kolb-List: Retrofitting inspection rings When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the rings, correct? N598LF ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings From: "Ducati SS" I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his restored super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to the ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed right over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the name of the product I will contact him and get it for you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:49 AM PST US From: "Lanny Fetterman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings Thanks Ducati, I would appreciate that information. -----Original Message----- From: Ducati SS Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:49 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his restored super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to the ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed right over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the name of the product I will contact him and get it for you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:56 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru TBI From: "Thom Riddle" Colin, What are your "heat problems" with the Jab running the Bing 94? I have no experience with the TBI but have a good bit of experience with a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Slingshot. Perhaps I , or one of the other experienced Jabiru/Kolbers, can help. If you are determined to change to TBI, I suggest you ask your question on the Jabiru Engines Forum on Yahoo Groups website. In any case, they will want to know what you mean specifically by "heat problems". There are several on that list who have changed to TBI or AeroCarb, some with success, some not so much. Most of them (tractor configurations) did it to have manual control over mixture. If that is your desire, installing a HACman on the Bing will accomplish that, or even making your own is a fairly simple process. That said, I was able to get the EGTs with the Bing exactly where they should be at cruise and full power climb by installing Jabiru's economy tuning kit. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390740#390740 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:44 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Retrofitting inspection rings On Behalf Of Lanny Fetterman When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the rings, correct? N598LF Lanny/Kolbers: Retrofit inspection rings like you would apply a patch to the fabric. 1-Prep the area (clean and scuff). 2-Polytak the inspection ring to the fabric. 3-Cut out a round patch about the size of a No. 10/gallon coffee can. 4-Polybrush the patch over inspection ring. 5-Polyspray, if you want to, and paint. You don't have to cut out the hole in the inspection ring until you need to gain access for inspection. I would not try to glue the inspection ring to the fabric. It probably will not get the job done. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Retrofitting inspection rings From: Richard Girard Lanny, It depends upon the result you want. For results that will make it look like you put them there when you did your original cover you'll want to use MEK and remove all the coats down to bare fabric in the area where you want to put the inspection rings and install them per the manual. Treat them as you would a patch and install them with a 50/50 mix of MEK thinned Poly Tack, not Poly Brush. The next best method is to install over the current coatings, again using a thinned Poly Tack. Once you have the rings on and the cover fabric glued down use a Tape Down sheet, a product my company sells that allows you to use a sealing iron to melt the coatings and drive the edge of the fabric down into the existing Poly Tone for a perfect seamless installation. Tape Down is a high temperature fabric that allows the heat of the iron to pass through it without allowing the heat softened coatings to stick to the iron. Guaranteed to work or your money back. $12 for a 6 inch square sheet that lasts a life time. I sealed over 200 feet of tape edge on Ken Holle's Mk IIIX with a single sheet of Tape Down and it's still like new. It saves all the work, money and mess of removing coatings and pays for itself the first time you use it. The least perfect method is to just glue new fabric on and coat with Poly Brush, Poly Spray and Poly Tone to match the color with the original coatings. The fabric edges will stick up and it will look like what it is a scabbed on patch. It will be functional but ugly. Contact me off list to buy Tape Down. Rick Girard On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can > they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I > still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the > rings, correct? N598LF > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:56 PM PST US From: "George Bearden" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/19/12 > there are no "silly" questions; So ask away! If psychiatry is the answer, what is the question? :-) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings From: Ellery Batchelder Jr Use polytak glue Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: hiwingflyer6219@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:50 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his resto red super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to the ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed r ight over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the name of the product I will contact him and get it for you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings From: "wakataka" Let me preface this by saying I haven't done it this way myself yet, but I really trust the guy who gave me the information. He's a Reno racer who's built or rebuilt more than a dozen fabric airplanes. He say's the best way to retrofit inspection ports is to use Liquid Nails silicone adhesive that you can buy at Home Depot. It doesn't wrinkle the paint like Polytak will do. He puts the adhesive on both inner and outer rings and then clamps them together using Cleco Clamps, which are small little clamps that you can set using Cleco pliers. You need a lot of clamps (maybe 10 or 12) to keep the rings from wrinkling. He's been doing it this way for many years and has done test sections on spare pieces of fabric to test the bond. He claims it's stronger than Polytak. I bought the materials to put in some inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten around to doing it yet. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390759#390759 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:23 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings He claims it's stronger than Polytak. I bought the materials to put in some inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten around to doing it yet. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Let us know how it works out. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.