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1. 07:17 AM - Re: Time of Day (racerjerry)
2. 08:08 AM - q (kinne russ)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: q (John Hauck)
4. 10:54 AM - Re: Time of Day (alienwes)
5. 11:18 AM - Re: Time of Day (GeoB)
6. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Time of Day (Sky Biker)
7. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Time of Day (John Hauck)
8. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Time of Day (John Hauck)
9. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Time of Day (Larry Cottrell)
10. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Time of Day (Dana Hague)
11. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Time of Day (John Hauck)
12. 02:14 PM - Re: Time of Day (GeoB)
13. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Time of Day (Pat Ladd)
14. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Time of Day (Pat Ladd)
15. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Time of Day (Dana Hague)
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Wes,
I hear that winds in the Midwest really howl during the day. Even in the east,
where the winds are generally lighter during the day, most powered parachute
flying is still done near dawn or dusk. Sure, a 152 bounces around more than
a 172 and a Kolb bounces more than a 152 etc. Here, ultralights are flown all
day long. You will soon learn the limits of what you can tolerate and enjoy.
I am sure that, at the very least, your flying hours will be greatly extended
with a Kolb.
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List, is there a Kolb pilot in coastal Maine or nearby NH? I'd like to make contact.
Russ
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Russ/Kolbers:
If you don't get results here, try searching the FAA Data Base for Kolbs in
the registered aircraft section.
You could also do a Google search for "Kolb aircraft Maine, NH.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
List, is there a Kolb pilot in coastal Maine or nearby NH? I'd like to make
contact.
Russ
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Thanks group for all the responses.
I want to use a Fixed Wing to help scout Elk and Deer here in New Mexico in addition
to flying for fun. The Kolb seems like the best of both worlds for this
as I can fold the wings and still have a STOL aircraft. How does the KOLB handle
the backcountry takeoff/landings at high elevations?
Wes
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> we fly our Kolbs generally when we want to
I have an '80's Firestar. Before I can fly it I need to finish re-covering it.
I am not a pilot, have a few lessons so far. Do you guys feel a lil apprehension
when flying in bumpy air? Do you start to wonder about just how strong are
those attachment points? Do you fly with a parachute? Do you sometimes long for
one? In bumpy air, could you idle the engine and soar? Assuming you aren't really
headed anywhere in particular.
A Wannabee just wondering, which is what I do best.
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I can't speak for the high elevations being I am at sea level. I will say t
he Kolb has been good to me. Here I have the cow pastures=2C back roads and
sandy beaches to play with. Depending on which one you are looking at I wo
uld look closely at the steel legs=2C over sized tires and VG's
as they do make a big difference.
Skybiker MK3/912/ul
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Time of Day
> From: elliott.wesley@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon=2C 24 Dec 2012 10:54:24 -0800
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
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> Thanks group for all the responses.
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> I want to use a Fixed Wing to help scout Elk and Deer here in New Mexico
in addition to flying for fun. The Kolb seems like the best of both worlds
for this as I can fold the wings and still have a STOL aircraft. How does t
he KOLB handle the backcountry takeoff/landings at high elevations?
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> Wes
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How does the KOLB handle the backcountry takeoff/landings at high
elevations?
Wes
Wes/Kolbers:
Done a little bit of flying out West, as well as my old buddy John
Williamson. Many years ago John and I were flying from Alamosa, CO, to
Farmington, NM. Best way to get there was direct over the Rockies. John
hit 15,000 feet and I was at 14,500 feet when we decided we had plenty
altitude to clear the mountains.
I have flown West from Alabama every year since 2003, except 2010. Those
flights have seen 12,000 to 13,000 feet many times.
In 2008 John W and I flew some of the Idaho back country airstrips. One of
those was Soldiers Bar. It is pretty much back country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqPLT1z4c
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STEEP CANYON WALLS IN ALL DRCTNS.
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ARPT ON BENCH 500 FT ABOVE BIG CREEK ON S SIDE.
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CABIN CREEK ARPT APPROX 7 MILES WEST UP BIG CREEK CANYON.
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WEST 1/3 OF RY HAS 4 DEG SLOPE DOWN TO THE NORTH.
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GO-AROUNDS NOT RECOMMENDED.
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NO TELEPHONE AVBL AT ARPT.
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THR MARKED WITH ROCKS.
This was a very exciting, rough, place to land.
I also land on river sand bars from Alabama to the North Slope of Alaska,
hay fields, dirt roads, paved roads ;-), and parking lots. Well...I have
landed in parking lots back in my UL days, but have matured just a little
bit and don't do that anymore. However, if I had to, I know I could do it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Depending on which one you are looking at I would look closely at the
steel legs, over sized tires and VG's
as they do make a big difference.
Skybiker MK3/912/ul
I don't have VGs on my Kolb, although I have flown other Kolbs equipped with
them.
Saying "as they do make a big difference" could mean a lot of things.
What did they do for your MKIII?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Wes,
I generally let others with more experience answer most of the questions
about Kolbs and their flight characteristics. However I have done a bit of
scouting for Elk, Deer and Antelope, so I know a bit about this subject.
I fly a Firestar II with VG's and a HKS four stroke engine, and have the
bigger tires and steel gear legs. All of this is in response to trial and
error, mostly error on my part. Three of them so far. I do not have a chute.
Most if not all of your flights over hostile terrain will be at or about 60
+ MPH. Any and all landings with my set up will be initiated at 50 MPH with
a stall coming at 32 or so MPH.
At that speed even over open ground, if the critter is not moving, you most
likely will not see it. You will however be able to find the routes that
will take you to any part of the "hunting or fishing" area that you want
with ease, and eliminate a lot of bumping around on the ground. You will
also know the area better than even a native in a much shorter time. The
handy part of it as you mentioned is that you can trailer it in to the area
that you want to scout, take off on a dirt road, and return there when you
are done.
Landings in undeveloped country is another matter. What looks really good
from the air, just might mean that you are either going to have to do
repairs or walk out if you are able. I carry a roll of duct tape, good
first aid kit, and a Spot locator with tracking, in an attempt to cover any
stupid thoughts that I might entertain. I have landed out several times,
but I have also chickened out many many more times. I guess it all depends
on the area and how bad you want to walk around. Any sort of developed
strip will be no problem. A single dirt road with enough clearance and
distance is not that much of a problem either. Just keep in mind that what
seemed like a good idea at the time, can be a source of serious consequence
if things go wrong.
The Kolb in all its various manifestations are in my opinion the best
compromise that you can get. If I had to wreck my plane, I would rather be
in a Kolb than any thing else. It is strong and will fly you to safety
given half a chance. :-) The Kolb will tolerate rough air much better than
you ever will. It isn't fun, but it is possible.
Larry
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM, alienwes <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thanks group for all the responses.
>
> I want to use a Fixed Wing to help scout Elk and Deer here in New Mexico
> in addition to flying for fun. The Kolb seems like the best of both worlds
> for this as I can fold the wings and still have a STOL aircraft. How does
> the KOLB handle the backcountry takeoff/landings at high elevations?
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390886#390886
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I don't mind flying in bumpy air; actually I enjoy it. For me the limiting
factor to that enjoyment is the sluggish aileron response of my Ultrastar
which can get dicey landing on a gusty day, and the wind I can handle while
folding the wings. But I also fly PPG, so when I got the Ultrastar it was
refreshing to fly all day and not really worry about getting caught upstairs.
Dana
At 02:17 PM 12/24/2012, GeoB wrote:
>I have an '80's Firestar. Before I can fly it I need to finish re-covering
>it. I am not a pilot, have a few lessons so far. Do you guys feel a lil
>apprehension when flying in bumpy air? Do you start to wonder about just
>how strong are those attachment points? Do you fly with a parachute? Do
>you sometimes long for one? In bumpy air, could you idle the engine and
>soar? Assuming you aren't really headed anywhere in particular.
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The Kolb in all its various manifestations are in my opinion the best
compromise that you can get. If I had to wreck my plane, I would rather be
in a Kolb than any thing else. It is strong and will fly you to safety given
half a chance. :-) The Kolb will tolerate rough air much better than you
ever will. It isn't fun, but it is possible.
Larry
Kolbers:
These are extremely good points made by Larry C.
Crashworthiness is worth its weight in gold when you need it. Never been
injured in a Kolb crash, other than my pride and my pocket book.
Like Larry, I have aborted far more off field landings than I have made.
The only one I should have aborted and didn't was across the Alaska Highway
from Rocky Mountain Lodge, Muncho Lake, British Columbia. That one resulted
in tearing up my airplane and spending a month traveling to Alabama for
recovery vehicle, return to Muncho Lake, and then get the MKIII back home.
Sure wish I had aborted that one. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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> the limiting factor to that enjoyment is the sluggish aileron response of my
Ultrastar.
Does my Firestar-I have better aileron response than your ultrastar? The ailerons
look huge on mine!
GeoB
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What did they do for your MKIII?>>
What the VG`s did for mine John was to make it legal by lowering the
stalling speed enough to comply with the UK rules.
Without them we would have no Xtra`s on the market here.
Merry Christmas from a very waterlogged UK
Pat
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In bumpy air, could you idle the engine and soar?>>
Depends what is causing the bumps.If it is thermals YES is the answer. Given
a strong enough thermal you can soar a barn door. Certainly a couple of
knots on the variometer is enough to scrape with a bit of engine. Given 4
knots you can climb with dead idle (or engine off if you are good enough and
have enough confidence in your starting the engine again.)
You need some gliding experience. Otherwise find a ridge with the wind
deflected over it. Cut the engine and stay up all day.
Merry Christmas
Pat
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At 05:14 PM 12/24/2012, GeoB wrote:
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> > the limiting factor to that enjoyment is the sluggish aileron response
> of my Ultrastar.
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>Does my Firestar-I have better aileron response than your ultrastar? The
>ailerons look huge on mine!
It should... the problem with the Ultrastar is the wing itself twists, so
the ailerons like a trim tab, the wing twists the other way and partially
cancels it out. I believe the Firestar's wing is stiffer due to a
different wing root attachment. The ailerons on the US actually work worse
the faster you go.
-Dana
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