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1. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim-drag question (Pat Ladd)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim-drag question (Pat Ladd)
3. 04:29 AM - Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? (racerjerry)
4. 05:06 AM - Re: Aileron trim-drag question (Richard Pike)
5. 06:56 AM - Heated Seat Covers (alienwes)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim-drag question (b young)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (John Hauck)
8. 07:32 AM - electric fuel pump (frank goodnight)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (John Hauck)
10. 07:58 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (frank goodnight)
11. 08:34 AM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (alienwes)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Pat Ladd)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? (Gary Aman)
14. 08:53 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (frank goodnight)
15. 09:02 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Gary Aman)
16. 09:06 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (frank goodnight)
17. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (John Hauck)
18. 09:31 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Thom Riddle)
19. 09:32 AM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (alienwes)
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (Sky Biker)
21. 11:03 AM - Re: flaperon angle (Ducati SS)
22. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: electric fuel pump (John Hauck)
23. 11:59 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Thom Riddle)
24. 12:46 PM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (GARY JINDRA)
25. 01:13 PM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (John Hauck)
26. 01:52 PM - Re: electric fuel pump (Dana Hague)
27. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (Brad Nation)
28. 02:55 PM - Re: electric fuel pump (Larry Cottrell)
29. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (Sky Biker)
30. 03:21 PM - Fw: cartoon (frank goodnight)
31. 03:37 PM - Re: Fw: cartoon (Larry Cottrell)
32. 08:41 PM - 912 cabin heater (Jon LaVasseur)
33. 11:15 PM - Re: 912 cabin heater (b young)
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Subject: | Re: Aileron trim-drag question |
Hi Beauford,
your mention of the flying qualities of an 8x4 plywood sheet,plus the
foot of snow outside my window at the moment reminded me of this.
Many years ago, certainly 50, we had a long and hard winter (by UK
standards). Snow was deep and persisted for some time.
I lived at the edge of Salisbury Plain with lovely snow covered slopes.
The family ran a builders merchant so with a couple of small hardboard
sheets, about 4x2 , pinched from stock, my brother and I launched
ourselves across the snow. In a sitting position with a bit of sash cord
holding the leading edge up we proved the theory sound..
Next question. Will it be better with a larger board?. Will we go faster
lying down.?
In increments we increased the board size until we arrived at 8ftx4ft
board, and a prone position holding up the leading edge with our hands.
In the meantime the snow had hardened, become more icy, and more
slippery.
I launched from farther up the hill than ever before and immediately hit
the highest speed yet. Also on the larger board I could not drag my toes
in the snow to brake.
Speed built up, the bumps seemed to flatten out, I was holding the
leading edge up and sure enough, up she came.Flipped into a roll and
dumped me on my back going a rate of knots. The board disappeared down
the hill.
Nothing was broken but we confined our efforts to a 6x4 board
afterwards.
I wish I still had that body which just bounced. If I did it now I would
be in hospital for a couple of weeks.
Happy days
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Aileron trim-drag question |
I had a roll trim issue on my VW powered MKIIIC but decided to fix it
with the optional Kolb adjustable rear attachment fitting. >>
Hi Rick,
I had the same on my Xtra and fixed it the same way. Just the way the
designer intended.
With the Hauck mod. to correct for sitting off the centre line she shows
no tendency to roll at all.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? |
Well yes, the safest way to transport a Kolb is to fly it home; however it may
not be the safest for YOU. You need time to get accustomed to the plane, not
to mention freezing URASS off this time of year.
The problem with trailers is that the suspension is way too rigid and it transfers
all shock loads directly to the airframe. Successful trailering requires
a well thought plan. To trailer any distance at all, the wings need to be removed,
tied to the trailer walls and hung in a sling to support them at the leading
edge to spread the load. The tail boom requires a padded support such as
shown in the Kolb construction manual.
Where is your Kolb going to live? Kolbs fold easily, and the trailer can make
a fine home if you do not have access to a hangar.
Check out this page and links to see how your fellow Kolbers dealt with the same problem: http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
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Subject: | Re: Aileron trim-drag question |
When I rebuilt the FSII after its wadding up event, I tried one of the Kolb adjustable
rear spar attachment brackets, and it was reasonably successful. The airplane
flies square in the bubble hands off, but it did still require a small
trim tab on one aileron. No longer required one on the rudder, the spar bracket
adjustment made that one unnecessary.
As a side note, by adding some dihedral, a FSII can readily be trimmed to fly hands
off. Dihedral does not enable a MKIII to do this.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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Subject: | Heated Seat Covers |
It seems there is a lot of trouble involved with getting cabin heat into the Kolb.
What about 12V seat heaters? Anyone tried it?
http://www.activheat.com/index_files/heatedcarseatcover.htm
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Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Re: Aileron trim-drag question |
when I rebuilt, I increased the dihedral a bit and my mkiii went from
negative roll stability to neutral roll stability... I believe that if I
had increased the dihedral a bit more it would have gone positive.
boyd young
-----Original Message-----
As a side note, by adding some dihedral, a FSII can readily be trimmed to
fly hands off. Dihedral does not enable a MKIII to do this.
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Subject: | Heated Seat Covers |
It seems there is a lot of trouble involved with getting cabin heat into the
Kolb. What about 12V seat heaters? Anyone tried it?
http://www.activheat.com/index_files/heatedcarseatcover.htm
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
This Alabama boy made several flights, in his MKIII, to the Arctic regions
of Alaska and Canada where he experienced freezing temps during the Summer
months. First flight north was without cabin heat. Piled on layers of
clothes and drove on. Of course, I was a youngster of 55.
After the first flight, I discovered the Chilli Vest. 12VDC powered off the
aircraft battery. The Chilli Vest kept me warm enough to fly with far less
clothing. My hands and feet stayed comfortable.
Ten years after the first flight to Alaska I made my last flight north at
the ripe old age of 65. The Chilli Vest did its job again.
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
I haven't used mine is a long time. Afraid to try it on. It was a little
snug last time I wore it. Good idea to buy a size larger than you think you
need. Remember, your body grows as you add thermal underwear, sweater,
sweat shirt, etc, and with age.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama - Fair weather flyer.
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Subject: | electric fuel pump |
Hi,
I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse
pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect
pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump.
Do most of you that have that type system, leave the
electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff?
I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about
200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be
better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts
from anyone who uses this type sys.
Frank Goodnight
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Subject: | electric fuel pump |
Hi,
I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse
pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect
pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump.
Do most of you that have that type system, leave the
electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff?
I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about
200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be
better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts
from anyone who uses this type sys.
Frank Goodnight
I fly with an engine driven pump and an electric fuel pump.
I don't think it matters. The Facet Electric Pump has a good reputation and
long service life. So does the Mikuni pulse pump.
Never had a problem with either or both pumps over pressurizing the 447,
582, or 912 series engines.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
Thanks John
Frank
________________________________
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 9:47:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump
Hi,
I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse
pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect
pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump.
Do most of you that have that type system, leave the
electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff?
I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about
200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be
better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts
from anyone who uses this type sys.
Frank Goodnight
I fly with an engine driven pump and an electric fuel pump.
I don't think it matters. The Facet Electric Pump has a good reputation and
long service life. So does the Mikuni pulse pump.
Never had a problem with either or both pumps over pressurizing the 447, 582, or
912 series engines.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed reading
about your adventures.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
Frank,
Lets not start with the silly pictures eh? Just leave it to the under
twelve year olds.
Pat (Curmudgeon in UK)
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Subject: | Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? |
Take a peek at "oh2fly"'s web site for trailering info.Better info than wha
t you've hearing here of late
-----Original Message-----
From: racerjerry <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 7:29 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home?
Well yes, the safest way to transport a Kolb is to fly it home; however it
may
not be the safest for YOU. You need time to get accustomed to the plane, n
ot to
mention freezing URASS off this time of year.
The problem with trailers is that the suspension is way too rigid and it
transfers all shock loads directly to the airframe. Successful trailering
requires a well thought plan. To trailer any distance at all, the wings ne
ed to
be removed, tied to the trailer walls and hung in a sling to support them a
t the
leading edge to spread the load. The tail boom requires a padded support s
uch
as shown in the Kolb construction manual.
Where is your Kolb going to live? Kolbs fold easily, and the trailer can m
ake a
fine home if you do not have access to a hangar.
Check out this page and links to see how your fellow Kolbers dealt with the
same
problem: http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
--------
Jerry King
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO pictures to
you or anyone else.
Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone.
Thanks Frank
do not archive
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From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 10:44:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump
Frank,
Lets not start with the silly pictures eh? Just leave it to the under twelve
year olds.
Pat (Curmudgeon in UK)
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
Frank,
The pulse supply from the intake manifold on the HKS is weak.We have had le
an condition at high cruise power settings with the pulse pump only.Their h
igh dollar replacement pump is still less than ideal.Run the pump all the t
ime.If it was mine,I'd have a second electric pump in line as well.I doubt
they could get good signal even from the crankcase.It needs a cam driven pu
mp like Rotax or Jabiru.A stout engine other than that.
G.Aman .
-----Original Message-----
From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 10:32 am
Subject: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump
Hi,
I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse
pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect
pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump.
Do most of you that have that type system, leave the
electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff?
I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about
200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be
better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts
from anyone who uses this type sys.
Frank Goodnight
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
Thanks Gary, I believe the same.
Frank
do not archive
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From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 11:02:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump
Frank,
The pulse supply from the intake manifold on the HKS is weak.We have had lean
condition at high cruise power settings with the pulse pump only.Their high
dollar replacement pump is still less than ideal.Run the pump all the time.If it
was mine,I'd have a second electric pump in line as well.I doubt they could get
good signal even from the crankcase.It needs a cam driven pump like Rotax or
Jabiru.A stout engine other than that.
G.Aman .
-----Original Message-----
From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 10:32 am
Subject: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump
Hi,
I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse
pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect
pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump.
Do most of you that have that type system, leave the
electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff?
I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about
200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be
better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts
from anyone who uses this type sys.
Frank Goodnight
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed
reading about your adventures.
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Thanks, Wes/Kolbers:
Would like to do it one more time, but age (74 this Summer) and the hurdles
one must jump to cross the border now days, takes a lot of fun out of the
adventure.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
Frank,
If you will log onto the Matronics website and see your post, you will see the
silly cartoon that Pat was talking about. It is a .jpg file somewhere in your
post. Look for it and perhaps you can get rid of it.
do not archive
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed reading
about your adventures.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
I have to say the MK 111 C is a lot warmer than when I use to fly UL's up
north in the winter with skies=2C insulated coveralls and a PVC coveralls
over that to stay warm. Live in south Fl now
and only need a heavier jacket in the winter months above 4000-5000 '. On s
unny days I may have to crack the door open to cool the cabin off.
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers
> From: elliott.wesley@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun=2C 20 Jan 2013 08:34:17 -0800
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
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yed reading about your adventures.
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> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Re: flaperon angle |
Do you need to improve the roll function or the flap function? I have given alot
of thought to improving roll but I would not want to increase drag. I think
a firefly with 1% more drag could be renamed cinder block. Of course improving
roll will create some added drag , my thought was to leave deflection as is and
add an inch or two to the flaperon cord. But this might induce flutter. Far
to many projects to try it now , at some point in the future I hope to build
new flaperons and give it a try.
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
If you will log onto the Matronics website and see your post, you will see
the silly cartoon that Pat was talking about. It is a .jpg file somewhere in
your post. Look for it and perhaps you can get rid of it.
do not archive
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolbers:
Do you all know Frank G? He is a big, tough guy. Spent a lot of time
living in the wilds of Alaska, not downtown Anchorage.
Frank has had that little cartoon character on his emails for as long as I
have known him, which has been a while now. I have a feeling if he wanted
to get rid of it, he would have done so long ago.
There is a story behind the "character", but my memory fails me. Someone
else, long ago on the Kolb List, tried to encourage Frank to get rid of his
character. Seems they did not succeed.
A few years ago Frank almost made it to the Monument Valley Flyin in his
Firestar. He made it from Brownsville, Texas (IIRC) to Window Rock,
Arizona, approximately 1,000 sm over some unfriendly terrain and extremely
high altitudes. Frank was about 100 sm from Monument Valley when he decided
it best he cancel out the rest of the flight and continue by road. I said
earlier, Frank is a very big man who discovered the little Firestar powered
with the HKS did not have enough grunt to get him over the mountains safely,
and Frank might need more training and experience flying in the high
altitudes and extreme winds of the Rockies.
All this chatter of Frank's cartoon character probably should not have come
to the Kolb List, but sent bc to Frank if it was all that important.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
If Frank likes his cartoon character, then he should be proud of it, not deny its
existence. I was just backing Pat's statement that it existed in Frank's post,
an unassailable truth.
do not archive
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
Wesley,my answer to heat with my 582 was to make an adapter to move the =0A
thermostat out about three inches.-Then I could-tee a heater hose in be
tween the =0Ahead and the thermostat.Installed a heater core out of a chevy
s10 pickup.Used a =0Aball cock valve to open and close water flow to heate
r.Return line-entered back =0Ain just before the water pump on opposite s
ide of- motor.In cold weather the =0Athermostat will open when needed to
let water thru to main radiator.Takes the =0Achill off very well.Put a smal
l 12 volt fan on the back of heater core with just =0Aa on and off switch.S
witching engines to a 912-UL now so will be making some =0Achanges but wi
ll be basicly the same setup.Pictures attached-=0A-=0A-=0AGary Jindra
=0AKolb mark3=0A117 hours=0AAkron Oh.=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___=0AFrom: alienwes <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Sun, January 20, 2013 9:59:12 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Heated Se
yahoo.com>=0A=0AIt seems there is a lot of trouble involved with getting ca
bin heat into the =0AKolb.- What about 12V seat heaters? Anyone tried it?
=0A=0Ahttp://www.activheat.com/index_files/heatedcarseatcover.htm=0A=0A----
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Subject: | Heated Seat Covers |
Wesley,my answer to heat with my 582
Gary Jindra
Professional looking setup. I like it.
However, for my own personal use, the Chilli Vest is simple, quick, and
doesn't pipe hot water into the cockpit area.
I'm pretty particular when I fly now, comfort wise. Haven't used any kind
of heat for years.
Tried to find some stationary like Frank's, but, alas, the choices I found
weren't nearly as cute. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
At 11:52 AM 1/20/2013, frank goodnight wrote:
> Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO
> pictures to you or anyone else.
>Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone.
>Thanks Frank
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>do not archive
Frank, it's a picture of a cartoon character blowing heart shaped bubbles,
and it's in every post you send to the list. Has been for a long time.
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
I have a pair of Gerbins heated gloves I use for winter motorcycle riding that
work great. You can also get heated pants, vest, helmet liner, and socks. The
gloves are a little bulky but very warm. If you go with heated gloves, some don't
heat the thumb which my not make any difference to you, it does to me though.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:32, "alienwes" <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump |
John and I have been trying to find "Stationary" like that but so far have
not been successful. I will keep trying.
Larry
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> At 11:52 AM 1/20/2013, frank goodnight wrote:
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> Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO
> pictures to you or anyone else.
> Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone.
> Thanks Frank
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> do not archive
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> Frank, it's a picture of a cartoon character blowing heart shaped bubbles,
> and it's in every post you send to the list. Has been for a long time.
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Subject: | Re: Heated Seat Covers |
I ride a bike also and have seen all of those. I have no plans to return to
cold weather and do any flying. Having lived in So Fl for many years my bl
ood is to thin. My next quest once I finish the modulations to to my MK 111
C and get all the paperwork completed is to island hop in the Bahamas. I ha
ve had it set up for off field with heavy landing gear so that I can land o
r take off on most fields or beaches now. I have a heater that pulls heat o
ff the oil cooler if needed and ducted into the cabin=2C but can also rever
se the blower and use it for cooling the oil if need be and vent the cabin.
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers
> From: nationcap@comcast.net
> Date: Sun=2C 20 Jan 2013 15:39:30 -0700
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
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that work great. You can also get heated pants=2C vest=2C helmet liner=2C
and socks. The gloves are a little bulky but very warm. If you go with hea
ted gloves=2C some don't heat the thumb which my not make any difference to
you=2C it does to me though.
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 3:07:48 PM
Subject: cartoon
Hi ,
I had no idea that I send a cartoon when I post.
Sorry if it bothers anyone. I will try and get rid of it.
The fact is that I am just about a computer illiterate
so don't know how long it will take--have to get a friend to help-- or even if
I
can do it at all. in the meantime if it really bugs you just deleat my post. Pat
I regret the sharp answer
to your comments . Life is too short and too sweet to get
all bent out of shape over something like this.
Fly safe and smile.
Frank
do not archive
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Frank, don't sweat it. Somehow after meeting you and having several
conversations with you I admit that I was a bit surprised that you might
have chosen that stationary, but what the hell, It is quite frankly no ones
business.
Hang in there,
Larry
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM, frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote:
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> *From:* frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sun, January 20, 2013 3:07:48 PM
> *Subject:* cartoon
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> Hi ,
> I had no idea that I send a cartoon when I post.
> Sorry if it bothers anyone. I will try and get rid of it.
> The fact is that I am just about a computer illiterate
> so don't know how long it will take--have to get a friend to help-- or
> even if I can do it at all. in the meantime if it really bugs you just
> deleat my post. Pat I regret the sharp answer
> to your comments . Life is too short and too sweet to get
> all bent out of shape over something like this.
> Fly safe and smile.
> Frank
> do not archive
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Subject: | 912 cabin heater |
Kolbers,=0A-=0ASomeone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot wate
r off a 912 and piped it into a small heater core for the cabin heat.- I
would appreciate it if you would describe the plumbing.- Where did you pu
ll the coolant out and where-did you connect the return line.- Pictures
would be great.- Did anyone have any problems with coolant circulating o
r engine temps after installing the heater cores?=0A-=0AThanks guys.=0A
-=0AJon L=0AMinnesota
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Subject: | Re: 912 cabin heater |
jon
I have the 912 and the radiator is just behind and below the engine.
just ahead of the inlet and outlet of the radiator, I installed 2 tees.
pointed down. ran radiator hose from there down inside the rear cage
area behind the fuel tank. there attached the radiator hose to a small
heater core. mounted a computer cooling fan to the back of the core.
the fan takes air from inside the cage area and recirculates the air
inside, I have a 2 inch duct taking air to the nose cone up near my
feet that run cold when flying in cooler weather. I did not want hot
water running under my legs to the nose of the plane... and if I had a
leak in the coolent lines it would be hard pressed to get to my person.
I run the radiator and fan all the time.... in the summer I use it
to eliminate excess heat from the engine.... and with the vents open, I
personally never over heat,,, in the winter it helps take the edge off
the cold temps. but it cant keep up when the temps are real cold.
the only problem I had was a precieved one.... on the first day I used
it I took of it was 20 and when I landed it was 10 deg F I thought
it was not working,,, till I opened the door and the real cold air
rushed in.. it was working,,, just not keeping up. in the winter I
have to tape over a good part of the main radiator in order to keep the
temps up. rotax says there is no minimum water temps for the 912 so
they don=99t make a thermostat for the engine. if I could find a
good thermostat housing the engine would warm up quicker, but be one
more thing to keep an eye on.
boyd young
mkiii
From: Jon LaVasseur
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater
Kolbers,
Someone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot water off a 912
and piped it into a small heater core for the cabin heat. I would
appreciate it if you would describe the plumbing. Where did you pull
the coolant out and where did you connect the return line. Pictures
would be great. Did anyone have any problems with coolant circulating
or engine temps after installing the heater cores?
Thanks guys.
Jon L
Minnesota
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