---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/20/13: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim-drag question (Pat Ladd) 2. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim-drag question (Pat Ladd) 3. 04:29 AM - Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? (racerjerry) 4. 05:06 AM - Re: Aileron trim-drag question (Richard Pike) 5. 06:56 AM - Heated Seat Covers (alienwes) 6. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Aileron trim-drag question (b young) 7. 07:16 AM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (John Hauck) 8. 07:32 AM - electric fuel pump (frank goodnight) 9. 07:47 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (John Hauck) 10. 07:58 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (frank goodnight) 11. 08:34 AM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (alienwes) 12. 08:43 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Pat Ladd) 13. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? (Gary Aman) 14. 08:53 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (frank goodnight) 15. 09:02 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Gary Aman) 16. 09:06 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (frank goodnight) 17. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (John Hauck) 18. 09:31 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Thom Riddle) 19. 09:32 AM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (alienwes) 20. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (Sky Biker) 21. 11:03 AM - Re: flaperon angle (Ducati SS) 22. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: electric fuel pump (John Hauck) 23. 11:59 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Thom Riddle) 24. 12:46 PM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (GARY JINDRA) 25. 01:13 PM - Re: Heated Seat Covers (John Hauck) 26. 01:52 PM - Re: electric fuel pump (Dana Hague) 27. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (Brad Nation) 28. 02:55 PM - Re: electric fuel pump (Larry Cottrell) 29. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Heated Seat Covers (Sky Biker) 30. 03:21 PM - Fw: cartoon (frank goodnight) 31. 03:37 PM - Re: Fw: cartoon (Larry Cottrell) 32. 08:41 PM - 912 cabin heater (Jon LaVasseur) 33. 11:15 PM - Re: 912 cabin heater (b young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:48 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim-drag question Hi Beauford, your mention of the flying qualities of an 8x4 plywood sheet,plus the foot of snow outside my window at the moment reminded me of this. Many years ago, certainly 50, we had a long and hard winter (by UK standards). Snow was deep and persisted for some time. I lived at the edge of Salisbury Plain with lovely snow covered slopes. The family ran a builders merchant so with a couple of small hardboard sheets, about 4x2 , pinched from stock, my brother and I launched ourselves across the snow. In a sitting position with a bit of sash cord holding the leading edge up we proved the theory sound.. Next question. Will it be better with a larger board?. Will we go faster lying down.? In increments we increased the board size until we arrived at 8ftx4ft board, and a prone position holding up the leading edge with our hands. In the meantime the snow had hardened, become more icy, and more slippery. I launched from farther up the hill than ever before and immediately hit the highest speed yet. Also on the larger board I could not drag my toes in the snow to brake. Speed built up, the bumps seemed to flatten out, I was holding the leading edge up and sure enough, up she came.Flipped into a roll and dumped me on my back going a rate of knots. The board disappeared down the hill. Nothing was broken but we confined our efforts to a 6x4 board afterwards. I wish I still had that body which just bounced. If I did it now I would be in hospital for a couple of weeks. Happy days Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:11 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim-drag question I had a roll trim issue on my VW powered MKIIIC but decided to fix it with the optional Kolb adjustable rear attachment fitting. >> Hi Rick, I had the same on my Xtra and fixed it the same way. Just the way the designer intended. With the Hauck mod. to correct for sitting off the centre line she shows no tendency to roll at all. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? From: "racerjerry" Well yes, the safest way to transport a Kolb is to fly it home; however it may not be the safest for YOU. You need time to get accustomed to the plane, not to mention freezing URASS off this time of year. The problem with trailers is that the suspension is way too rigid and it transfers all shock loads directly to the airframe. Successful trailering requires a well thought plan. To trailer any distance at all, the wings need to be removed, tied to the trailer walls and hung in a sling to support them at the leading edge to spread the load. The tail boom requires a padded support such as shown in the Kolb construction manual. Where is your Kolb going to live? Kolbs fold easily, and the trailer can make a fine home if you do not have access to a hangar. Check out this page and links to see how your fellow Kolbers dealt with the same problem: http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392697#392697 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim-drag question From: "Richard Pike" When I rebuilt the FSII after its wadding up event, I tried one of the Kolb adjustable rear spar attachment brackets, and it was reasonably successful. The airplane flies square in the bubble hands off, but it did still require a small trim tab on one aileron. No longer required one on the rudder, the spar bracket adjustment made that one unnecessary. As a side note, by adding some dihedral, a FSII can readily be trimmed to fly hands off. Dihedral does not enable a MKIII to do this. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392698#392698 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:18 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Heated Seat Covers From: "alienwes" It seems there is a lot of trouble involved with getting cabin heat into the Kolb. What about 12V seat heaters? Anyone tried it? http://www.activheat.com/index_files/heatedcarseatcover.htm -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392702#392702 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:26 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron trim-drag question when I rebuilt, I increased the dihedral a bit and my mkiii went from negative roll stability to neutral roll stability... I believe that if I had increased the dihedral a bit more it would have gone positive. boyd young -----Original Message----- As a side note, by adding some dihedral, a FSII can readily be trimmed to fly hands off. Dihedral does not enable a MKIII to do this. -------- Richard Pike ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:13 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Heated Seat Covers It seems there is a lot of trouble involved with getting cabin heat into the Kolb. What about 12V seat heaters? Anyone tried it? http://www.activheat.com/index_files/heatedcarseatcover.htm -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC This Alabama boy made several flights, in his MKIII, to the Arctic regions of Alaska and Canada where he experienced freezing temps during the Summer months. First flight north was without cabin heat. Piled on layers of clothes and drove on. Of course, I was a youngster of 55. After the first flight, I discovered the Chilli Vest. 12VDC powered off the aircraft battery. The Chilli Vest kept me warm enough to fly with far less clothing. My hands and feet stayed comfortable. Ten years after the first flight to Alaska I made my last flight north at the ripe old age of 65. The Chilli Vest did its job again. http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm I haven't used mine is a long time. Afraid to try it on. It was a little snug last time I wore it. Good idea to buy a size larger than you think you need. Remember, your body grows as you add thermal underwear, sweater, sweat shirt, etc, and with age. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - Fair weather flyer. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:03 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Hi, I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump. Do most of you that have that type system, leave the electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff? I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about 200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts from anyone who uses this type sys. Frank Goodnight ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:16 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Hi, I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump. Do most of you that have that type system, leave the electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff? I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about 200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts from anyone who uses this type sys. Frank Goodnight I fly with an engine driven pump and an electric fuel pump. I don't think it matters. The Facet Electric Pump has a good reputation and long service life. So does the Mikuni pulse pump. Never had a problem with either or both pumps over pressurizing the 447, 582, or 912 series engines. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:26 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Thanks John Frank ________________________________ From: John Hauck Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 9:47:26 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Hi, I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump. Do most of you that have that type system, leave the electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff? I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about 200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts from anyone who uses this type sys. Frank Goodnight I fly with an engine driven pump and an electric fuel pump. I don't think it matters. The Facet Electric Pump has a good reputation and long service life. So does the Mikuni pulse pump. Never had a problem with either or both pumps over pressurizing the 447, 582, or 912 series engines. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers From: "alienwes" That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed reading about your adventures. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392713#392713 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:57 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Frank, Lets not start with the silly pictures eh? Just leave it to the under twelve year olds. Pat (Curmudgeon in UK) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? From: Gary Aman Take a peek at "oh2fly"'s web site for trailering info.Better info than wha t you've hearing here of late -----Original Message----- From: racerjerry Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 7:29 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home? Well yes, the safest way to transport a Kolb is to fly it home; however it may not be the safest for YOU. You need time to get accustomed to the plane, n ot to mention freezing URASS off this time of year. The problem with trailers is that the suspension is way too rigid and it transfers all shock loads directly to the airframe. Successful trailering requires a well thought plan. To trailer any distance at all, the wings ne ed to be removed, tied to the trailer walls and hung in a sling to support them a t the leading edge to spread the load. The tail boom requires a padded support s uch as shown in the Kolb construction manual. Where is your Kolb going to live? Kolbs fold easily, and the trailer can m ake a fine home if you do not have access to a hangar. Check out this page and links to see how your fellow Kolbers dealt with the same problem: http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392697#392697 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:08 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO pictures to you or anyone else. Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone. Thanks Frank do not archive ________________________________ From: Pat Ladd Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 10:44:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Frank, Lets not start with the silly pictures eh? Just leave it to the under twelve year olds. Pat (Curmudgeon in UK) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump From: Gary Aman Frank, The pulse supply from the intake manifold on the HKS is weak.We have had le an condition at high cruise power settings with the pulse pump only.Their h igh dollar replacement pump is still less than ideal.Run the pump all the t ime.If it was mine,I'd have a second electric pump in line as well.I doubt they could get good signal even from the crankcase.It needs a cam driven pu mp like Rotax or Jabiru.A stout engine other than that. G.Aman . -----Original Message----- From: frank goodnight Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 10:32 am Subject: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Hi, I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump. Do most of you that have that type system, leave the electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff? I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about 200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts from anyone who uses this type sys. Frank Goodnight ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:15 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Thanks Gary, I believe the same. Frank do not archive ________________________________ From: Gary Aman Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 11:02:45 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Frank, The pulse supply from the intake manifold on the HKS is weak.We have had lean condition at high cruise power settings with the pulse pump only.Their high dollar replacement pump is still less than ideal.Run the pump all the time.If it was mine,I'd have a second electric pump in line as well.I doubt they could get good signal even from the crankcase.It needs a cam driven pump like Rotax or Jabiru.A stout engine other than that. G.Aman . -----Original Message----- From: frank goodnight Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 10:32 am Subject: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump Hi, I fly a firestar with a HKS engine, it uses the same pluse pump as a 503 for the engine mounted pump with the elect pump mounted between the tank and and the engine pump. Do most of you that have that type system, leave the electric pump on all the time , or turn it off after takeoff? I have always left the electric pump on all the time--about 200 flight hrs--. Lately I have been hearing that it may be better to turn it off after takeoff. Like to hear thoughts from anyone who uses this type sys. Frank Goodnight ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:24 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed reading about your adventures. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Thanks, Wes/Kolbers: Would like to do it one more time, but age (74 this Summer) and the hurdles one must jump to cross the border now days, takes a lot of fun out of the adventure. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: electric fuel pump From: "Thom Riddle" Frank, If you will log onto the Matronics website and see your post, you will see the silly cartoon that Pat was talking about. It is a .jpg file somewhere in your post. Look for it and perhaps you can get rid of it. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392730#392730 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers From: "alienwes" That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed reading about your adventures. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392731#392731 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:28 AM PST US From: Sky Biker Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers I have to say the MK 111 C is a lot warmer than when I use to fly UL's up north in the winter with skies=2C insulated coveralls and a PVC coveralls over that to stay warm. Live in south Fl now and only need a heavier jacket in the winter months above 4000-5000 '. On s unny days I may have to crack the door open to cool the cabin off. > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers > From: elliott.wesley@yahoo.com > Date: Sun=2C 20 Jan 2013 08:34:17 -0800 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW=2C I have really enjo yed reading about your adventures. > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392713#392713 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:18 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flaperon angle From: "Ducati SS" Do you need to improve the roll function or the flap function? I have given alot of thought to improving roll but I would not want to increase drag. I think a firefly with 1% more drag could be renamed cinder block. Of course improving roll will create some added drag , my thought was to leave deflection as is and add an inch or two to the flaperon cord. But this might induce flutter. Far to many projects to try it now , at some point in the future I hope to build new flaperons and give it a try. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392744#392744 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:10 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: electric fuel pump If you will log onto the Matronics website and see your post, you will see the silly cartoon that Pat was talking about. It is a .jpg file somewhere in your post. Look for it and perhaps you can get rid of it. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolbers: Do you all know Frank G? He is a big, tough guy. Spent a lot of time living in the wilds of Alaska, not downtown Anchorage. Frank has had that little cartoon character on his emails for as long as I have known him, which has been a while now. I have a feeling if he wanted to get rid of it, he would have done so long ago. There is a story behind the "character", but my memory fails me. Someone else, long ago on the Kolb List, tried to encourage Frank to get rid of his character. Seems they did not succeed. A few years ago Frank almost made it to the Monument Valley Flyin in his Firestar. He made it from Brownsville, Texas (IIRC) to Window Rock, Arizona, approximately 1,000 sm over some unfriendly terrain and extremely high altitudes. Frank was about 100 sm from Monument Valley when he decided it best he cancel out the rest of the flight and continue by road. I said earlier, Frank is a very big man who discovered the little Firestar powered with the HKS did not have enough grunt to get him over the mountains safely, and Frank might need more training and experience flying in the high altitudes and extreme winds of the Rockies. All this chatter of Frank's cartoon character probably should not have come to the Kolb List, but sent bc to Frank if it was all that important. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: electric fuel pump From: "Thom Riddle" If Frank likes his cartoon character, then he should be proud of it, not deny its existence. I was just backing Pat's statement that it existed in Frank's post, an unassailable truth. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392749#392749 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:26 PM PST US From: GARY JINDRA Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heated Seat Covers Wesley,my answer to heat with my 582 was to make an adapter to move the =0A thermostat out about three inches.-Then I could-tee a heater hose in be tween the =0Ahead and the thermostat.Installed a heater core out of a chevy s10 pickup.Used a =0Aball cock valve to open and close water flow to heate r.Return line-entered back =0Ain just before the water pump on opposite s ide of- motor.In cold weather the =0Athermostat will open when needed to let water thru to main radiator.Takes the =0Achill off very well.Put a smal l 12 volt fan on the back of heater core with just =0Aa on and off switch.S witching engines to a 912-UL now so will be making some =0Achanges but wi ll be basicly the same setup.Pictures attached-=0A-=0A-=0AGary Jindra =0AKolb mark3=0A117 hours=0AAkron Oh.=0A=0A=0A_____________________________ ___=0AFrom: alienwes =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.c om=0ASent: Sun, January 20, 2013 9:59:12 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Heated Se yahoo.com>=0A=0AIt seems there is a lot of trouble involved with getting ca bin heat into the =0AKolb.- What about 12V seat heaters? Anyone tried it? =0A=0Ahttp://www.activheat.com/index_files/heatedcarseatcover.htm=0A=0A---- ----=0AWesley Elliott=0ASport Pilot-PPC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onlin e here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392702#392702=0A =========================0A ================= ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:23 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Heated Seat Covers Wesley,my answer to heat with my 582 Gary Jindra Professional looking setup. I like it. However, for my own personal use, the Chilli Vest is simple, quick, and doesn't pipe hot water into the cockpit area. I'm pretty particular when I fly now, comfort wise. Haven't used any kind of heat for years. Tried to find some stationary like Frank's, but, alas, the choices I found weren't nearly as cute. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:37 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump At 11:52 AM 1/20/2013, frank goodnight wrote: > Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO > pictures to you or anyone else. >Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone. >Thanks Frank > >do not archive Frank, it's a picture of a cartoon character blowing heart shaped bubbles, and it's in every post you send to the list. Has been for a long time. -Dana -- People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers From: Brad Nation I have a pair of Gerbins heated gloves I use for winter motorcycle riding that work great. You can also get heated pants, vest, helmet liner, and socks. The gloves are a little bulky but very warm. If you go with heated gloves, some don't heat the thumb which my not make any difference to you, it does to me though. Sent from my iPad Brad On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:32, "alienwes" wrote: > > That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW, I have really enjoyed reading about your adventures. > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392731#392731 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump From: Larry Cottrell John and I have been trying to find "Stationary" like that but so far have not been successful. I will keep trying. Larry On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 11:52 AM 1/20/2013, frank goodnight wrote: > > Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO > pictures to you or anyone else. > Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone. > Thanks Frank > > do not archive > > > Frank, it's a picture of a cartoon character blowing heart shaped bubbles, > and it's in every post you send to the list. Has been for a long time. > > -Dana > -- > People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that > Benjamin Franklin said it first. > > * > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:35 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers I ride a bike also and have seen all of those. I have no plans to return to cold weather and do any flying. Having lived in So Fl for many years my bl ood is to thin. My next quest once I finish the modulations to to my MK 111 C and get all the paperwork completed is to island hop in the Bahamas. I ha ve had it set up for off field with heavy landing gear so that I can land o r take off on most fields or beaches now. I have a heater that pulls heat o ff the oil cooler if needed and ducted into the cabin=2C but can also rever se the blower and use it for cooling the oil if need be and vent the cabin. > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heated Seat Covers > From: nationcap@comcast.net > Date: Sun=2C 20 Jan 2013 15:39:30 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > I have a pair of Gerbins heated gloves I use for winter motorcycle riding that work great. You can also get heated pants=2C vest=2C helmet liner=2C and socks. The gloves are a little bulky but very warm. If you go with hea ted gloves=2C some don't heat the thumb which my not make any difference to you=2C it does to me though. > > Sent from my iPad > > Brad > > On Jan 20=2C 2013=2C at 10:32=2C "alienwes" wr ote: > > > > > That vest looks like it would keep you toastey! BTW=2C I have really en joyed reading about your adventures. > > > > -------- > > Wesley Elliott > > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392731#392731 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:32 PM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: cartoon ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: frank goodnight Sent: Sun, January 20, 2013 3:07:48 PM Subject: cartoon Hi , I had no idea that I send a cartoon when I post. Sorry if it bothers anyone. I will try and get rid of it. The fact is that I am just about a computer illiterate so don't know how long it will take--have to get a friend to help-- or even if I can do it at all. in the meantime if it really bugs you just deleat my post. Pat I regret the sharp answer to your comments . Life is too short and too sweet to get all bent out of shape over something like this. Fly safe and smile. Frank do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: cartoon From: Larry Cottrell Frank, don't sweat it. Somehow after meeting you and having several conversations with you I admit that I was a bit surprised that you might have chosen that stationary, but what the hell, It is quite frankly no ones business. Hang in there, Larry On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM, frank goodnight wrote: > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > *From:* frank goodnight > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Sun, January 20, 2013 3:07:48 PM > *Subject:* cartoon > > Hi , > I had no idea that I send a cartoon when I post. > Sorry if it bothers anyone. I will try and get rid of it. > The fact is that I am just about a computer illiterate > so don't know how long it will take--have to get a friend to help-- or > even if I can do it at all. in the meantime if it really bugs you just > deleat my post. Pat I regret the sharp answer > to your comments . Life is too short and too sweet to get > all bent out of shape over something like this. > Fly safe and smile. > Frank > do not archive > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:11 PM PST US From: Jon LaVasseur Subject: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater Kolbers,=0A-=0ASomeone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot wate r off a 912 and piped it into a small heater core for the cabin heat.- I would appreciate it if you would describe the plumbing.- Where did you pu ll the coolant out and where-did you connect the return line.- Pictures would be great.- Did anyone have any problems with coolant circulating o r engine temps after installing the heater cores?=0A-=0AThanks guys.=0A -=0AJon L=0AMinnesota ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:46 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater jon I have the 912 and the radiator is just behind and below the engine. just ahead of the inlet and outlet of the radiator, I installed 2 tees. pointed down. ran radiator hose from there down inside the rear cage area behind the fuel tank. there attached the radiator hose to a small heater core. mounted a computer cooling fan to the back of the core. the fan takes air from inside the cage area and recirculates the air inside, I have a 2 inch duct taking air to the nose cone up near my feet that run cold when flying in cooler weather. I did not want hot water running under my legs to the nose of the plane... and if I had a leak in the coolent lines it would be hard pressed to get to my person. I run the radiator and fan all the time.... in the summer I use it to eliminate excess heat from the engine.... and with the vents open, I personally never over heat,,, in the winter it helps take the edge off the cold temps. but it cant keep up when the temps are real cold. the only problem I had was a precieved one.... on the first day I used it I took of it was 20 and when I landed it was 10 deg F I thought it was not working,,, till I opened the door and the real cold air rushed in.. it was working,,, just not keeping up. in the winter I have to tape over a good part of the main radiator in order to keep the temps up. rotax says there is no minimum water temps for the 912 so they don=99t make a thermostat for the engine. if I could find a good thermostat housing the engine would warm up quicker, but be one more thing to keep an eye on. boyd young mkiii From: Jon LaVasseur Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater Kolbers, Someone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot water off a 912 and piped it into a small heater core for the cabin heat. I would appreciate it if you would describe the plumbing. Where did you pull the coolant out and where did you connect the return line. Pictures would be great. Did anyone have any problems with coolant circulating or engine temps after installing the heater cores? Thanks guys. 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