---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/21/13: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 AM - Re: Fw: cartoon (Pat Ladd) 2. 06:11 AM - Re: 912 cabin heater (frank goodnight) 3. 07:12 AM - Re: 912 cabin heater (Thumper) 4. 08:51 AM - Re: 912 cabin heater (b young) 5. 09:02 AM - Re: 912 cabin heater (Sky Biker) 6. 02:43 PM - printing aircraft (Robert Laird) 7. 07:04 PM - Future of Kolb (alienwes) 8. 07:17 PM - Re: Future of Kolb (John Hauck) 9. 07:43 PM - Re: Future of Kolb (Malcolm Brubaker) 10. 08:49 PM - Confused about FAA Registration ... (rsbiser) 11. 10:19 PM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (b young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:34 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: cartoon Re cartoon, No big deal Frank. I just happen to think that `smileys` and their associated cartoons do little to enhance the message. Sorry that I was bit irascible. Comes with old age. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:45 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: b young =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 21, 2013 1:15:55 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMo rning Boyd,=0AI haven't asked anyone yet , but want to install some type of heat in my 701 =0Abefore next=0Awinter. The way you did it seems simple an d pretty much fool proof.=0A Do you think a larger fan would warm things m ore , the older i get--71--the =0Acolder i get.=0AThanks for the explanatio n. =0AFrank=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0Ajon=0A =0AI have the 912 and the radiator is just behind and below th e engine. just =0Aahead of the inlet and outlet of the radiator, I inst alled 2 tees. pointed =0Adown. ran radiator hose from there down inside the rear cage area behind the =0Afuel tank. there attached the radiator h ose to a small heater core. mounted =0Aa computer cooling fan to the ba ck of the core. the fan takes air from inside =0Athe cage area and recirc ulates the air inside, I have a 2 inch duct taking air =0Ato the nose con e up near my feet that run cold when flying in cooler weather. =0AI did not want hot water running under my legs to the nose of the plane... and =0Aif I had a leak in the coolent lines it would be hard pressed to get to my =0Aperson. I run the radiator and fan all the time.... in the su mmer I use =0Ait to eliminate excess heat from the engine.... and with t he vents open, I =0Apersonally never over heat,,, in the winter it helps take the edge off the =0Acold temps. but it cant keep up when the temp s are real cold. the only =0Aproblem I had was a precieved one.... on th e first day I used it I took of it =0Awas 20 and when I landed it was 10 deg F I thought it was not working,,, =0Atill I opened the door and th e real cold air rushed in.. it was working,,, =0Ajust not keeping up. in the winter I have to tape over a good part of the main =0Aradiator in o rder to keep the temps up. rotax says there is no minimum water =0Atemps for the 912 so they don=99t make a thermostat for the engine. if I could =0Afind a good thermostat housing the engine would warm up quicker , but be one =0Amore thing to keep an eye on.=0A =0Aboyd young=0Amkiii=0A =0AFrom: Jon LaVasseur =0ASent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:40 PM=0ATo: Kolb List =0ASubject: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater=0A Kolbers,=0A =0ASomeone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot water off a 912 and piped =0Ait into a small heater core for the cabin heat. I would appreciate it if yo u =0Awould describe the plumbing. Where did you pull the coolant out and where did =0Ayou connect the return line. Pictures would be great. Did a nyone have any =0Aproblems with coolant circulating or engine temps after i nstalling the heater =0Acores?=0A =0AThanks guys.=0A =0AJon L=0AMinnesota =0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">htt p://forums.matronics.com =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ======================= =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 cabin heater From: "Thumper" Heater and Thermostat information. Here is information on a thermostat and heater. Works great and only pulls 40 watts max =2.5amp. Thermostat article from John Gilpin at stolspeed.com. Thermostat at radiator inlet, no more tape or louvers for the radiator on engines that run cold. And it helps the engine warm up a little faster, not a lot faster. But maintains stable temps of 165 winter and 195 summer with the 180 degree thermostat. http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bob-1-Universal-Kit-with-One-Inch-Fittings-TB1.htm Heater is an oil cooler with fan that moves lots of air and it will remove a fingertip so keep hands clear. Use a DPDT switch and it can be wired reversing so on a Kolbra put it between pilot and passenger and reverse as needed. Tee into the radiator hoses between the engine and thermostat for consistant warm water, I used copper water fittings to make what I needed. Will work on 583 also. I suggest using the above thermostat even on 583 as with the bypass maybe it can help with cold seizures on those engines since it will never be completely closed? I mounted it below the seat and just blow forward or back depending on who needs the heat. With a sealed cabin I only run it less than 5-10% of the time when in the low 30's. Small 6"x6"x4"and lightweight. 1/2" heater hose I used but could probably be smaller since the engine with the thermostat runs 165 consistent on these cold days. http://www.amazon.com/Northern-HURRICANE-Oil-Cooler-Cooling/dp/B005UO2NI8 Have a great day and now I fly no matter how cold it is. Photo's and switch wiring available off line unless everyone wants them. Dennis in not real cold west Tennessee. -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN 2001 Kolb Mark IIIC 160+ hours since March 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392813#392813 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:19 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater yes I do believe a larger fan would do more to keep things warm. the problem is finding a larger fan and keep the weight down. the other thing that would go a long way to keep things warm is some type of insulation on the cabin walls, ceiling, and floor. boyd young mkiii From: frank goodnight Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: b young Sent: Mon, January 21, 2013 1:15:55 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater Morning Boyd, I haven't asked anyone yet , but want to install some type of heat in my 701 before next winter. The way you did it seems simple and pretty much fool proof. Do you think a larger fan would warm things more , the older i get--71--the colder i get. Thanks for the explanation. Frank do not archive jon I have the 912 and the radiator is just behind and below the engine. just ahead of the inlet and outlet of the radiator, I installed 2 tees. pointed down. ran radiator hose from there down inside the rear cage area behind the fuel tank. there attached the radiator hose to a small heater core. mounted a computer cooling fan to the back of the core. the fan takes air from inside the cage area and recirculates the air inside, I have a 2 inch duct taking air to the nose cone up near my feet that run cold when flying in cooler weather. I did not want hot water running under my legs to the nose of the plane... and if I had a leak in the coolent lines it would be hard pressed to get to my person. I run the radiator and fan all the time.... in the summer I use it to eliminate excess heat from the engine.... and with the vents open, I personally never over heat,,, in the winter it helps take the edge off the cold temps. but it cant keep up when the temps are real cold. the only problem I had was a precieved one.... on the first day I used it I took of it was 20 and when I landed it was 10 deg F I thought it was not working,,, till I opened the door and the real cold air rushed in.. it was working,,, just not keeping up. in the winter I have to tape over a good part of the main radiator in order to keep the temps up. rotax says there is no minimum water temps for the 912 so they don=99t make a thermostat for the engine. if I could find a good thermostat housing the engine would warm up quicker, but be one more thing to keep an eye on. boyd young mkiii From: Jon LaVasseur Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater Kolbers, Someone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot water off a 912 and piped it into a small heater core for the cabin heat. I would appreciate it if you would describe the plumbing. Where did you pull the coolant out and where did you connect the return line. Pictures would be great. Did anyone have any problems with coolant circulating or engine temps after installing the heater cores? Thanks guys. Jon L Minnesota href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:50 AM PST US From: Sky Biker Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater You may check into a 4 " bilge exhaust blower which is what I use on mine. My cabin is completely enclosed from the seats forward and have a 4"vent ho se ducted into it. By reversing the polarity with a switch it can be revers e the motor and draw air or heat out of the cabin. These motors are designe d for high volume air flow and very light weight. From: byoungplumbing@gmail.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A yes I do believe a larger fan would do more to keep things =0A warm. the problem is finding a larger fan and keep the weight =0A down. the other thing that would go a long way to keep things warm =0A is some type of insulation on the cabin walls=2C ceiling=2C and floor.=0A =0A boyd young mkiii=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: frank goodnight =0A Sent: Monday=2C January 21=2C 2013 7:11 AM=0A Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: b young =0A Sent: Mon=2C January 21=2C 2013 1:15:55 =0A AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 912 =0A cabin heater =0A =0A =0A =0A Morning =0A Boyd=2C=0A I =0A haven't asked anyone yet =2C but want to install some type of heat in my 70 1 =0A before next=0A winter. =0A The way you did it seems simple and pretty much fool proof.=0A =0A Do you think a larger fan would warm things more =2C the older i get--71--t he =0A colder i get.=0A Thanks =0A for the explanation. =0A Frank=0A do =0A not archive=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A jon=0A =0A I have the 912 and the radiator is just behind and below the =0A engine. just ahead of the inlet and outlet of the radiator=2C I =0A installed 2 tees. pointed down. ran radiator hose from there down =0A inside the rear cage area behind the fuel tank. there attached the =0A radiator hose to a small heater core. mounted a computer =0A cooling fan to the back of the core. the fan takes air from inside the =0A cage area and recirculates the air inside=2C I have a 2 inch duct taking a ir =0A to the nose cone up near my feet that run cold when flying in cooler =0A weather. I did not want hot water running under my legs to the nose =0A of the plane... and if I had a leak in the coolent lines it would be hard =0A pressed to get to my person. I run the radiator and fan =0A all the time.... in the summer I use it to eliminate excess =0A heat from the engine.... and with the vents open=2C I personally never =0A over heat=2C=2C=2C in the winter it helps take the edge off the cold =0A temps. but it cant keep up when the temps are real =0A cold. the only problem I had was a precieved one.... on the first =0A day I used it I took of it was 20 and when I landed it was 10 deg =0A F I thought it was not working=2C=2C=2C till I opened the door and =0A the real cold air rushed in.. it was working=2C=2C=2C just not =0A keeping up. in the winter I have to tape over a good part of the main =0A radiator in order to keep the temps up. rotax says there is no =0A minimum water temps for the 912 so they don=92t make a thermostat for the =0A engine. if I could find a good thermostat housing the engine would warm up =0A quicker=2C but be one more thing to keep an eye on.=0A =0A boyd young=0A mkiii=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: Jon LaVasseur =0A Sent: Sunday=2C January 20=2C 2013 9:40 PM=0A Subject: Kolb-List: 912 cabin heater=0A =0A =0A =0A Kolbers=2C=0A =0A Someone or maybe many of you must have pulled the hot water off a 912 and =0A piped it into a small heater core for the cabin heat. I would appreciate =0A it if you would describe the plumbing. Where did you pull the coolant out =0A and where did you connect the return line. Pictures would be great. =0A Did anyone have any problems with coolant circulating or engine temps after installing =0A the heater cores?=0A =0A Thanks guys.=0A =0A Jon L=0A Minnesota=0A =0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A =0A =0A href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: printing aircraft From: Robert Laird I wonder how much longer before an ultralight is printed..... http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/3d-printed-aircraft-successfully-takes-flight-20121023/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Future of Kolb From: "alienwes" Seems the Kolb company has gone through some ownership changes in 2011. Does anyine know about the stability of the company? -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392864#392864 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:59 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Future of Kolb Seems the Kolb company has gone through some ownership changes in 2011. Does anyine know about the stability of the company? -------- Wesley Elliott I believe the best folks to talk to about the stability of the Kolb Aircraft Company is probably Travis Brown and/or Brian Melborn. I doubt anyone on this List knows anything about the stability of the company. john ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:37 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Future of Kolb speculation? Future of kolb? dare we start speculating on your flying futur e wesley?=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:17 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Future of Kolb=0A =0A--> Kolb-List mess age posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASeems the Kolb company has gone through some ownership changes in 2011. Does=0Aanyine know about the stability of the company?=0A=0A--------=0AWesley Elliott=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AI believe the best folks to talk to about the stability of the Kolb Aircraft=0ACompany is probably Travis Brown and/or Brian Melborn.- I doubt anyone on=0Athis List knows anything about the stability of the comp =========================0A ====================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: "rsbiser" I recently bought a used Kolb Mark III Xtra. It already has an airworthiness certificate, but it has been de-registered by the former owner. In other words, he canceled the N Number and removed it from the aircraft. I have reserved a new N Number. Can anyone help me understand what registration process I must go through to register the plane with my newly reserved N Number? What forms must I submit, etc.? Thanks, Scott -------- Scott Biser Cincinnati, Ohio Mark III Xtra Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392867#392867 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:58 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... call your local Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO) BOYD YOUNG -----Original Message----- From: rsbiser Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:48 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... I recently bought a used Kolb Mark III Xtra. It already has an airworthiness certificate, but it has been de-registered by the former owner. In other words, he canceled the N Number and removed it from the aircraft. I have reserved a new N Number. Can anyone help me understand what registration process I must go through to register the plane with my newly reserved N Number? What forms must I submit, etc.? 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