---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/22/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:34 AM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (Richard Girard) 2. 10:51 AM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (Herb Gayheart) 3. 10:56 AM - Re: electric fuel pump (Richard Girard) 4. 02:40 PM - Re: Future of Kolb (alienwes) 5. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Future of Kolb (John Hauck) 6. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Future of Kolb (Herb Gayheart) 7. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Future of Kolb (Malcolm Brubaker) 8. 04:31 PM - Re: Future of Kolb (alienwes) 9. 05:16 PM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (alienwes) 10. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (Richard Girard) 11. 07:24 PM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (alienwes) 12. 08:07 PM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (rsbiser) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: Richard Girard That will be a tough one. About the only option open to you is Experimental Exhibition since you didn't build it and it can't go Experimental Amateur Built. Rick Girard On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:19 AM, b young wrote: > > call your local Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO) > > BOYD YOUNG > > -----Original Message----- From: rsbiser > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:48 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... > > > > I recently bought a used Kolb Mark III Xtra. It already has an > airworthiness certificate, but it has been de-registered by the former > owner. In other words, he canceled the N Number and removed it from the > aircraft. > > I have reserved a new N Number. > > Can anyone help me understand what registration process I must go through > to register the plane with my newly reserved N Number? What forms must I > submit, etc.? > > Thanks, > > Scott > > -------- > Scott Biser > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > Mark III Xtra > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=392867#392867 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:24 AM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... Buy some paperwork from a wreck?? Herb At 12:33 PM 1/22/2013, you wrote: >That will be a tough one. About the only option open to you is >Experimental Exhibition since you didn't build it and it can't go >Experimental Amateur Built. > >Rick Girard > >On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:19 AM, b young ><byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote: ><byoungplumbing@gmail.com> > >call your local Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO) > >BOYD YOUNG > >-----Original Message----- From: rsbiser >Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:48 PM >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Confused about FAA Registration ... > > ><Rsbiser@gmail.com> > >I recently bought a used Kolb Mark III Xtra. It already has an >airworthiness certificate, but it has been de-registered by the >former owner. In other words, he canceled the N Number and removed >it from the aircraft. > >I have reserved a new N Number. > >Can anyone help me understand what registration process I must go >through to register the plane with my newly reserved N Number? What >forms must I submit, etc.? > >Thanks, > >Scott > >-------- >Scott Biser > >Cincinnati, Ohio > >Mark III Xtra > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392867#392867 > > >=================================== >arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >=================================== >http://forums.matronics.com >=================================== >le, List Admin. >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >=================================== > > >-- >Zulu Delta >Mk IIIC >Thanks, Homer GBYM > >It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric fuel pump From: Richard Girard Frank, In very tiny letters at the bottom of the picture it says "Copyright Yahoo 2008 all rights reserved" Rick Girard On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > John and I have been trying to find "Stationary" like that but so far have > not been successful. I will keep trying. > Larry > > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > >> At 11:52 AM 1/20/2013, frank goodnight wrote: >> >> Pat,--- Don't what you are talking about. I have sent NO >> pictures to you or anyone else. >> Please be sure of what you are talking about before flaming someone. >> Thanks Frank >> >> do not archive >> >> >> Frank, it's a picture of a cartoon character blowing heart shaped >> bubbles, and it's in every post you send to the list. Has been for a long >> time. >> >> -Dana >> -- >> People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that >> Benjamin Franklin said it first. >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb From: "alienwes" I really hope the company stays afloat in this tough economy. But I think asking the company if they are doing good will result in a "yes" know matter what the truth may be. My reason for wanting to know is two fold. The first reason is to have parts available. The second is the value of a Kolb plane will remain higher if the company is still around. These are important things to me as I do my research. Brubaker, Not sure what you meant by your comment. I started skydiving in my early 20's and moved on to PPG's and PPC's. Currently have a Sport Pilot License and want to cross over to fixed wing. If I were to speculate I would say that I would continue doing what I have been doing for the last 12 years. Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392899#392899 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:26 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb I really hope the company stays afloat in this tough economy. But I think asking the company if they are doing good will result in a "yes" know matter what the truth may be. Wes Wes/Kolbers: I have been doing business with Kolb Aircraft for 29 years and three owners. They have always been an outstanding organization, placing customer service first. I got it from a very reliable source that Kolb Aircraft is solvent. It is one of the oldest ultralight/light plane companies in the world. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:49 PM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb Remember also....The Kolb guys can do other things to fill dead time... They take on covering and welding jobs for GA airplanes also.. Excellent workmanship and at a better price than standard shops.. Herb At 04:57 PM 1/22/2013, you wrote: > > >I really hope the company stays afloat in this tough economy. But I think >asking the company if they are doing good will result in a "yes" know matter >what the truth may be. > >Wes > > >Wes/Kolbers: > >I have been doing business with Kolb Aircraft for 29 years and three owners. > >They have always been an outstanding organization, placing customer service >first. > >I got it from a very reliable source that Kolb Aircraft is solvent. It is >one of the oldest ultralight/light plane companies in the world. > >john h >mkIII >Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:37 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb - WESS what you meen then is you plan on flying PPC like you have for 12 years? =0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: alienwes =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, January 22, 20 13 5:40 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb=0A =0A--> Kolb-List me ssage posted by: "alienwes" =0A=0AI really hope t he company stays afloat in this tough economy. But I think asking the compa ny if they are doing good will result in a "yes" know matter what the truth may be. My reason for wanting to know is two fold. The first reason is to have parts available. The second is the value of a Kolb plane will remain h igher if the company is still around. These are important things to me as I do my research. =0A=0ABrubaker, =0ANot sure what you meant by your comment . I started skydiving in my early 20's and moved on to PPG's and PPC's. Cur rently have a Sport Pilot License and want to cross over to fixed wing. If I were to speculate I would say that I would continue doing what I have bee n doing for the last 12 years. =0A=0AWes=0A=0A--------=0AWesley Elliott=0AS port Pilot-PPC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum ============= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb From: "alienwes" Malcolm, While I like the Low and Slow of PPC, I have been thinking alot about fixed wing. I like the idea of an enclosed cockpit, more opportunities to fly than the wind limitations of PPC, and greater distance abilities. I also like the folding wings so you can transport like a PPC. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392909#392909 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: "alienwes" Since you have an Airworthiness Certificate I think there is hope. The N-Number is nothing more than a $5 fee to the FAA. The AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE is the one thats hard to get. I ran across this on another forum. "So, if you don't re-register and you lose your N-number, you should still be able to get your aircraft re-instated. You'd have to register it and, if more than 90 days past due, it would be registered under a new N-number. You would then have to take your AWC and Ops Limits to the FSDO and have them re-issued under the new N-number. It shouldn't be anymore complicated than getting new paperwork after changing the N-number to a unique number (vanity number.) (I've done that. It's not too much trouble to do." Now, if it was the other way around and you only had an N number and NO Airworthiness Cert, you would be screwed. Only route then would be Experimental Exhibition. Congrats on your new plane as I am jealous, Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392910#392910 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: Richard Girard Wes, Most of what you say is true, unless your airplane is E-LSA and not derived from an S-LSA airplane (like the RV-12) or demoted from an S-LSA when the manufacturer went out of business. If you let your registration expire on an E-LSA that was registered during the grandfathering phase of starting up LSA there is no way to go back and re-register. Why, because 21.191 i(1) expired on 1-31-2008. The version of form 8088A that was used during the grandfathering period to apply for registration expired then, too. I'm sure the good folks at the Light Sport Branch of the FAA in Oklahoma City are tired of confirming it, but you can call them and check it out. Rick Girard do not archive On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:16 PM, alienwes wrote: > > Since you have an Airworthiness Certificate I think there is hope. The > N-Number is nothing more than a $5 fee to the FAA. The AIRWORTHINESS > CERTIFICATE is the one thats hard to get. I ran across this on another > forum. > "So, if you don't re-register and you lose your N-number, you should still > be able to get your aircraft re-instated. You'd have to register it and, if > more than 90 days past due, it would be registered under a new N-number. > You would then have to take your AWC and Ops Limits to the FSDO and have > them re-issued under the new N-number. It shouldn't be anymore complicated > than getting new paperwork after changing the N-number to a unique number > (vanity number.) (I've done that. It's not too much trouble to do." > > Now, if it was the other way around and you only had an N number and NO > Airworthiness Cert, you would be screwed. Only route then would be > Experimental Exhibition. > > Congrats on your new plane as I am jealous, > > Wes > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392910#392910 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: "alienwes" Rick, You are right on those E-LSA's that were given an Airworthiness Cert that expired. If his Airworthiness Cert has an "unlimited" for the expiration which most do, I still think he will be just fine. The only thing that he needs is an N number. Not hard to get. I believe the ones that have an expiration on them had until Jan 1 2010 to make them unlimited, and that date has passed also. Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392918#392918 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: "rsbiser" Hey Guys, Thanks for the help. Just to be clear, the Airworthiness Certificate is EAB issued in March of '07 with an UNLIMITED Expiry Date. It does include the old N Number which the previous owner transferred to another airplane. I already have my new N Number reserved. So, it looks like I'll just have to wrestle through the process with the FSDO. Hope it won't be too painful. Thanks, Scott -------- Scott Biser Cincinnati, Ohio Mark III Xtra Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392920#392920 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.