---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/23/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:49 AM - Re: printing aircraft (Pat Ladd) 2. 04:06 AM - Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (alienwes) 3. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (Richard Girard) 4. 07:31 AM - Re: printing aircraft (Robert Laird) 5. 07:54 AM - Re: printing aircraft (Pat Ladd) 6. 08:06 AM - Re: printing aircraft (Robert Laird) 7. 08:13 AM - Too Cold To F fly (John Hauck) 8. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... (McCarthy Tom) 9. 01:17 PM - Sun N Fun 2013 (kolbaircraft) 10. 01:26 PM - Re: Sun N Fun 2013 (John Hauck) 11. 01:29 PM - Re: Future of Kolb (kolbaircraft) 12. 03:15 PM - Re: printing aircraft (chris davis) 13. 03:27 PM - Re: Sun N Fun 2013 (Herb Gayheart) 14. 03:32 PM - Re: printing aircraft (chris davis) 15. 03:41 PM - Re: Sun N Fun 2013 (Herb Gayheart) 16. 05:59 PM - Re: Sun N Fun 2013 (John Hauck) 17. 06:15 PM - Re: Sun N Fun 2013 (Herb Gayheart) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:29 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft how much longer before an ultralight is printed>> Hi, probably not as long as you think. There has already been a car printed. I have an app which enables a small object to be assembled from drawings on the computer and if the result is sent to the company they will print out in three dimensions whatever has been designed. Incredible. When I mentioned this to my grandchildren they were unimpressed and told me that they had a 3d Printer at school. The world is shifting under our feet. Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:27 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: "alienwes" Scott, Please update us when you talk to the FSDO. Forum: Did not want to come across as arguing on this forum. I really just want to get along with all members and contribute and learn as much as I can. Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392931#392931 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: Richard Girard Wes, It's a free country, you can think what you want, but the Light Sport Branch is using the logic that registration is a requirement for issuing an experimental Certificate of Airworthiness and if the registration expires, since there is NO paperwork path available for re-registration, the CoA then becomes void. I have tried to get the EAA, the AOPA, and the FAA legal council in Washington DC to address this to no avail. That's the interpretation and that's what happens. Again, I urge you to call the Light Sport Branch and verify it for yourself, perhaps the interpretation has changed. Rick On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM, alienwes wrote: > > Rick, > You are right on those E-LSA's that were given an Airworthiness Cert that > expired. If his Airworthiness Cert has an "unlimited" for the expiration > which most do, I still think he will be just fine. The only thing that he > needs is an N number. Not hard to get. I believe the ones that have an > expiration on them had until Jan 1 2010 to make them unlimited, and that > date has passed also. > Wes > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392918#392918 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft From: Robert Laird I've no doubt that, right now, many of the components could be printed .... e.g. ribs... (Some, probably not so much, e.g., sails.) But it would be cool to have a 3D printer that, using a composite formula, would print the whole thing, from bottom to top, excluding non-printable stuff like sails, tires, etc.. I would think that, in theory, you could make something much, much lighter, in sum, than the lightest (in sum) UL currently made by conventional methods. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > ** > how much longer before an ultralight is printed>> > > Hi, > probably not as long as you think. There has already been a car printed. > I have an app which enables a small object to be assembled from drawings > on the computer and if the result is sent to the company they will print > out in three dimensions whatever has been designed. Incredible. > > When I mentioned this to my grandchildren they were unimpressed and told > me that they had a 3d Printer at school. > > The world is shifting under our feet. > > Pat > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:59 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft Robert, what I find incredible is that it is possible to print a WORKING model.. I saw a guy on TV copy an adjustable spanner (What you call a wrench I believe) and it featured a knurled nut to obtain the adjustment. At the last moment someone asked for the nut to be a different colour, Sure enough the finished copy not only was delivered with the nut in red and the rest of the spanner in silver but the nut WORKED and the spanner could be adjusted in the normal way. Also on TV I saw a small model with a multiple rolling leg design.It was 8/9 inches long and had a body about 4inches by 4.It looked like a design for a moon explorer. It came straight from the 3D printer.It then had a small fan attached. When the presenter blew on the fan it turned a gear train which drove an axle to which the legs were attached and the damn thing moved forward. There must have been 25 or 30 working joints on this thing and they all flexed and hinged as if assembled from separate pieces.This was STRAIGHT FROM THE PRINTER. Unbelievable. Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft From: Robert Laird Yes, I've seen the spanner demo... I've seen some incredible examples, one of a hollow sphere inside a hollow sphere inside a hollow sphere, with each sphere exquisitely "carved", something that would be truly impossible to do any other way. So, yeah, doing the impossible is why this is such an incredible technology. I think the next step is the ability to extrude different materials -- each with unique properties -- so that when printing, unique capabilities can be added... things like bearings, ceramic cylinders, etc. When we get to that stage, then people won't have to buy small appliances any longer, they'll just buy the "plans", it'll be downloaded into the home-3D-printer, and the appliance will simply be printed. (Ideally, old appliances can be de-constituted into its component parts, and the material re-used into the next appliance.) I do wonder if we'll ever be able to print a working engine... but if ceramics can be extruded, I can't think of why not. And, with enough resolution and control, sails should be able to be printed, too. So, my guess is about 15 years from now, for a fully printable aircraft. If only we could print gasoline/petrol! haha. -- R On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > ** > Robert, > what I find incredible is that it is possible to print a WORKING model.. > > I saw a guy on TV copy an adjustable spanner (What you call a wrench I > believe) and it featured a knurled nut to obtain the adjustment. At the > last moment someone asked for the nut to be a different colour, Sure enough > the finished copy not only was delivered with the nut in red and the rest > of the spanner in silver but the nut WORKED and the spanner could be > adjusted in the normal way. > Also on TV I saw a small model with a multiple rolling leg design.It was > 8/9 inches long and had a body about 4inches by 4.It looked like a design > for a moon explorer. It came straight from the 3D printer.It then had a > small fan attached. When the presenter blew on the fan it turned a gear > train which drove an axle to which the legs were attached and the damn > thing moved forward. There must have been 25 or 30 working joints on this > thing and they all flexed and hinged as if assembled from separate > pieces.This was STRAIGHT FROM THE PRINTER. Unbelievable. > > Pat > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:18 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Too Cold To F fly Morning Kolbers: Too cold to play outside today. Stumbled across a few photos from our get together at the Rock House last June 2012. Was a much better day the day of this flight. The blue and white FSII is Larry Cottrell, Rock House, Oregon, and the yellow FS KXP is Roger Hankin, Grants Pass, Oregon. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:36 AM PST US From: McCarthy Tom Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... Time: 06:51:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Confused about FAA Registration ... From: Richard Girard Wes, Most of what you say is true, unless your airplane is E-LSA and not derived from an S-LSA airplane (like the RV-12) or demoted from an S-LSA when the manufacturer went out of business. If you let your registration expire on an E-LSA that was registered during the grandfathering phase of starting up LSA there is no way to go back and re-register. Why, because 21.191 i(1) expired on 1-31-2008. The version of form 8088A that was used during the grandfathering period to apply for registration expired then, too. I'm sure the good folks at the Light Sport Branch of the FAA in Oklahoma City are tired of confirming it, but you can call them and check it out. Rick, This has come up in the past regarding E-LSA registration expiring. I just talked to Tim Bogenhagen at EAA, and he told me this is not so. If you are the owner of an expired E-LSA, you simply have to send in form 8050-1. He said since you already own the plane, you do not have to submit form 8050-2 or show evidence of ownership. Whats more, he said if you purchase the plane with an expired N-number, you can submit "its equivalent" to evidence of ownership, as prescribed in part 47, and on the instructions of form 8050-1. I am certainly no expert on issues with the FAA, and I know that the EAA is not perfect, but he sounded like he's been down this path before. I encourage people to always do their own leg work and take info on forums with a grain of salt. As you said, call the FAA. Tom McCarthy N863GB Slingshot N441TM Firestar N541TM Zenith 601HD All registered E-LSA----All registrations current Back to lurking mode, and maybe build mode very soon. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun 2013 From: "kolbaircraft" Hi everyone I wanted to let you know that Kolb will be at Sun N Fun Light plane section in Paradise City Space # 2 . The show starts on The 9TH. of April and ends on the 14TH. We are busy here at The Kolb Co .I will be glad to see my friends and Warm weather . Please come and visit our display and always a pleasure to have such wonderful customers. We are keeping Homers design alive forever. Travis Kolb Co www.kolbaircraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392964#392964 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:19 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun 2013 I wanted to let you know that Kolb will be at Sun N Fun Light plane section in Paradise City Space # 2 . Travis Kolb Co Travis: Is this the same site Kolb has been in for so many years in the ultralight area, or over in the LSA area? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Future of Kolb From: "kolbaircraft" Kolb is doing fine in all ways. We are blessed with Homer Kolb's name and design. We don't advertise much because it seems you guys are doing the best job of introducing new folks to this old ,well thought of design. Kolb will always be here for support and new kits. I take calls 24/7 and I love talking about these kits and design. Here is our youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/kolbaircraft?feature=watch Kind Regards Travis Kolb Co Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392967#392967 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:13 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft Hiu guys , About 3d printer try "youtube 3d radial aircraft engine "to see something incredable !=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot =0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A>__________________________ ______=0A>From: Robert Laird =0A>To: kolb-list@matron ics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:05 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb -List: printing aircraft=0A>=0A>=0A>Yes, I've seen the spanner demo... -I 've seen some incredible examples, one of a hollow sphere inside a hollow s phere inside a hollow sphere, with each sphere-exquisitely-"carved", so mething that would be truly impossible to do any other way. -So, yeah, do ing the impossible is why this is such an incredible technology. =0A>=0A> =0A>I think the next step is the ability to extrude different materials -- each with unique properties -- so that when printing, unique capabilities c an be added... things like bearings, ceramic cylinders, etc. -When we get to that stage, then people won't have to buy small appliances any longer, they'll just buy the "plans", it'll be downloaded into the home-3D-printer, and the appliance will simply be printed. -(Ideally, old appliances can be de-constituted into its component parts, and the material re-used into t he next appliance.)=0A>=0A>=0A>I do wonder if we'll ever be able to print a working engine... but if ceramics can be extruded, I can't think of why no t. -And, with enough resolution and control, sails should be able to be p rinted, too.=0A>=0A>=0A>So, my guess is about 15 years from now, for a full y printable aircraft.=0A>=0A>=0A>If only we could print gasoline/petrol! -haha.=0A>=0A>=0A>- -- R=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:54 AM , Pat Ladd wrote:=0A>=0A>Robert,=0A>>what I find i ncredible is that it is possible to print a WORKING model..=0A>>-=0A>>I s aw a guy on TV copy an adjustable spanner (What you call a wrench I believe ) and it featured a knurled nut to obtain the adjustment. At the last momen t someone asked for the nut to be a different colour, Sure enough the finis hed copy not only was delivered with the nut in red and the rest of the spa nner in silver but the nut WORKED and the spanner could be adjusted in the normal way.=0A>>Also- on TV I saw a small model with a multiple rolling l eg design.It was 8/9 inches long and- had a body about 4inches by 4.It lo oked like a design for a moon explorer. It came straight from the 3D printe r.It then had a small fan attached. When the presenter blew on the fan it t urned a gear train which drove an axle to which the legs were attached and the damn thing moved forward. There must have been 25 or 30 working joints on this thing and they all flexed and hinged as if assembled from separate pieces.This was --- STRAIGHT FROM THE PRINTER. Unbelievable.=0A>>- =0A>>Pat=0A>>get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================= =0A>=0A> ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:58 PM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun 2013 John I think Travis said that they got booted from their old spot...? Herb At 03:26 PM 1/23/2013, you wrote: > > > I wanted to let you know that Kolb will be at Sun N Fun Light plane >section in Paradise City Space # 2 . > > > Travis >Kolb Co > > >Travis: > >Is this the same site Kolb has been in for so many years in the ultralight >area, or over in the LSA area? > >john h >mkIII >Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:43 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft Try this--- www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1eKadlPC4w =0A=0A=0AChris Davi s=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>From: chris davis =0A>To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" =0A>S ent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:14 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printin g aircraft=0A>=0A>=0A>Hiu guys , About 3d printer try "youtube 3d radial ai rcraft engine "to see something incredable !=0A>=0A>=0A>Chris Davis=0A>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash building Firefly=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>>________________________________=0A>>From: Robert Laird =0A>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:05 AM=0A>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: printing aircraft=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Yes, I've seen the spanner demo... -I've seen some incredible exampl es, one of a hollow sphere inside a hollow sphere inside a hollow sphere, w ith each sphere-exquisitely-"carved", something that would be truly imp ossible to do any other way. -So, yeah, doing the impossible is why this is such an incredible technology. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I think the next step is t he ability to extrude different materials -- each with unique properties -- so that when printing, unique capabilities can be added... things like bea rings, ceramic cylinders, etc. -When we get to that stage, then people wo n't have to buy small appliances any longer, they'll just buy the "plans", it'll be downloaded into the home-3D-printer, and the appliance will simply be printed. -(Ideally, old appliances can be de-constituted into its com ponent parts, and the material re-used into the next appliance.)=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>I do wonder if we'll ever be able to print a working engine... but if ceramics can be extruded, I can't think of why not. -And, with enough res olution and control, sails should be able to be printed, too.=0A>>=0A>>=0A> >So, my guess is about 15 years from now, for a fully printable aircraft. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>If only we could print gasoline/petrol! -haha.=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>- -- R=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Robert,=0A>>>what I find incredibl e is that it is possible to print a WORKING model..=0A>>>-=0A>>>I saw a g uy on TV copy an adjustable spanner (What you call a wrench I believe) and it featured a knurled nut to obtain the adjustment. At the last moment some one asked for the nut to be a different colour, Sure enough the finished co py not only was delivered with the nut in red and the rest of the spanner i n silver but the nut WORKED and the spanner could be adjusted in the normal way.=0A>>>Also- on TV I saw a small model with a multiple rolling leg de sign.It was 8/9 inches long and- had a body about 4inches by 4.It looked like a design for a moon explorer. It came straight from the 3D printer.It then had a small fan attached. When the presenter blew on the fan it turned a gear train which drove an axle to which the legs were attached and the d amn thing moved forward. There must have been 25 or 30 working joints on th is thing and they all flexed and hinged as if assembled from separate piece s.This was --- STRAIGHT FROM THE PRINTER. Unbelievable.=0A>>>-=0A>> >Pat=0A>>>get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listtp: //forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A> -======================== =================== =0A>=0A> ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:42 PM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun 2013 Think he said that the old area was full.... ? Herb At 05:27 PM 1/23/2013, you wrote: > >John > > I think Travis said that they got booted from their old spot...? Herb > > >At 03:26 PM 1/23/2013, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I wanted to let you know that Kolb will be at Sun N Fun Light plane >>section in Paradise City Space # 2 . >> >> >> Travis >>Kolb Co >> >> >> >> >>Travis: >> >>Is this the same site Kolb has been in for so many years in the ultralight >>area, or over in the LSA area? >> >>john h >>mkIII >>Titus, Alabama >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:02 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun 2013 I think Travis said that they got booted from their old spot...? Herb That would be a shame after all these years. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:42 PM PST US From: Herb Gayheart Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun 2013 Do not think it was a negative thing...just something about changes in space allocation by Sun N Fun...?? Herb At 07:58 PM 1/23/2013, you wrote: > > > I think Travis said that they got booted from their old spot...? Herb > > >That would be a shame after all these years. > >john h >mkIII >Titus, Alabama > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.