---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/28/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:20 PM - Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (alienwes) 2. 06:59 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (John Hauck) 3. 07:10 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (Brad Nation) 4. 07:12 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (Robert Laird) 5. 11:25 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 From: "alienwes" Maybe I can get the forum talking with this question: Has anyone compared the Kolb Mark III and the Rans S-12? Does the Rans S-12 fold as easily? Has anyone flown both and how do they compare? Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393208#393208 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:38 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 Maybe I can get the forum talking with this question: Has anyone compared the Kolb Mark III and the Rans S-12? Does the Rans S-12 fold as easily? Has anyone flown both and how do they compare? Wes Wes/Kolbers: This is the Kolb Aircraft Builders and Flyers List. We are much more interested in building and flying Kolbs than other brands. Kolbs have all the other brands beat hands down. There is no comparison between a MKIII and an S-12. The S-12 is not nearly as crash worthy as the Kolb, a very, very important characteristic. I've been told by some that they are not concerned about crash worthiness because they are not going to crash. Wish I knew that. Since I don't, I'll stick with a good crash worthy Kolb. I've never flown an S-12. Don't know if they fold or not. I do know the S-12 fuselage doesn't hold a candle to the Kolb. I have also seen several S-12 that crashed. They do not do well. My own personal observations and opinions. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 From: Brad Nation The Rans12 wings do fold but the gas tanks are in the wings.. Sent from my iPad Brad On Jan 28, 2013, at 18:20, "alienwes" wrote: > > Maybe I can get the forum talking with this question: Has anyone compared the Kolb Mark III and the Rans S-12? > > Does the Rans S-12 fold as easily? > > Has anyone flown both and how do they compare? > > Wes > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393208#393208 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 From: Robert Laird Wes -- I have owned both an S-12XL (about 2 years) and a Kolb MkIIIC (7 years)... I currently own the Kolb. The Kolb is sturdier in most every way, plus the wings fold easily, quickly and can be done alone. My opinion only, of course, but I thought the S12XL actually flew a tiny bit better, was a tiny bit more fun, and I thoroughly enjoyed flying it, but the wings don't fold at all... they basically just have to be removed, which is a major operation, starting with draining the wing tanks... overall, it's doable, but generally speaking, you're talking several hours/half-a-day ~at best~ to remove, and then another several hours to put back together. If wing folding is anywhere in your top 20 characteristics, then it's no contest. You'd have to go with the Kolb. Despite my slight preference for the S12XL for flight characteristics, the differences are very small, and I very much enjoy flying the Kolb. And, without a doubt, if I could choose which one to crash in, then it's again no contest... the S12XL will roll up in a little ball, and you with it. I've seen it happen to others but, luckily, I've never experienced it. If I had a hangar with room, I'd have both. But I needed a plane with foldable wings, so the Kolb was the best option, IMO. -- Robert On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM, alienwes wrote: > > Maybe I can get the forum talking with this question: Has anyone compared > the Kolb Mark III and the Rans S-12? > > Does the Rans S-12 fold as easily? > > Has anyone flown both and how do they compare? > > Wes > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393208#393208 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:25 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 I have flown both. Only my opinion but I would go with the Kolb. One fine day flying a S12, 2 up off a sealed runway, at the end of the runway the 12 was at 500ft agl swapping to the Kolb we were at 1100ft at the same point. Both were 503 powered and at sea level . I would consider the S12 very under powered with a 503 and the Kolb acceptable with a 503 . I also prefer the third wheel to be at the back, I find the ground handling of the Kolb to be much better . In fairness I have flown the Kolb a lot more and would only have about 1 hr. in the S12 and over 200 in the Kolb. Out of the 9 or so aircraft types in my log book the only ones that come close to the Kolb would be the Piper cub or Aronca champ. A couple of the others were high performance so can not be fairly compared . Regards Downunder Kolb Mk111 -----Original Message----- From: alienwes Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:20 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 Maybe I can get the forum talking with this question: Has anyone compared the Kolb Mark III and the Rans S-12? Does the Rans S-12 fold as easily? Has anyone flown both and how do they compare? 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