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1. 09:21 AM - Mark III C for sale (Steve Simmons)
2. 09:52 AM - Slow News Day in Florida (Rick Neilsen)
3. 09:59 AM - Re: Slow News Day in Florida (william sullivan)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: Slow News Day in Florida (John Hauck)
5. 03:10 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (alienwes)
6. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (Beauford)
7. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (kinne russ)
8. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (chris davis)
9. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 (Dennis Souder)
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| Subject: | Mark III C for sale |
See attached flyer: Owner Motivated to sale need money for other projects,
Lost medical you can e-mail @ stevesimmons@charter.net or call 423 748-4336
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| Subject: | Slow News Day in Florida |
Big article in the local news paper about all the
ultralight/LS/Experimental accidents in the area. Interesting the paper
version said "smaller aircraft" but online it was "ultralight". They
interviewed a mechanic and GA owner at the Manatee airport here in Florida
who seemed to have a real grudge against anything that wasn't
general aviation. The article was surprisingly accurate, biased but
accurate for a news paper. Just a few errors.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130128/ARTICLE/130129551
Makes me think about interacting with the GA guys a my airport in Michigan.
I think I have been accepted but it only takes one when a reporter wants to
make a name for himself.
Oh yes to keep it Kolb I haven't flown my Kolb since I left Michigan in
October. Getting worked up to do a bunch of flying when I get back.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Slow News Day in Florida |
- Note the last line?- "Fuel Issues".
--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Slow News Day in Florida
Big article in the local news paper about all the ultralight/LS/Experimenta
l-accidents in the area. Interesting the paper version said "smaller airc
raft" but online it was "ultralight". They interviewed a-mechanic-and
-GA owner at the Manatee airport here in Florida who seemed to have a rea
l grudge against anything that wasn't general-aviation. The article was
-surprisingly-accurate, biased but accurate for a news paper. Just a fe
w errors.-=0A
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130128/ARTICLE/130129551
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Makes me think about interacting with the GA guys a my airport in Michigan.
I think I have been accepted but it only takes one when a reporter wants t
o make a name for himself.-
Oh yes to keep it Kolb I haven't flown my Kolb since I left Michigan in Oct
ober. Getting worked up to do a bunch of flying when I get back.-=0A
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| Subject: | Slow News Day in Florida |
Big article in the local news paper about all the ultralight/LS/Experimental
accidents in the area. Interesting the paper version said "smaller aircraft"
but online it was "ultralight". They interviewed a mechanic and GA owner at
the Manatee airport here in Florida who seemed to have a real grudge against
anything that wasn't general aviation. The article was surprisingly
accurate, biased but accurate for a news paper. Just a few errors.
Rick Neilsen
If the mechanic was making money off the Manatee Ultralights, he'd have a
change of attitude.
GA types like the 172 owner/pilot are a dime a dozen. They have this "my
airplane is bigger and more expensive than your airplane complex".
Most of the GA pilots at our local airport, 08A, never fly, and if they do,
it is around the patch.
Airplanes don't make the pilot either. Most of my flying friends are
retired military or professional civilian pilots that like to fly Kolbs and
other small experimentals and ULs more than they do GA aircraft that aren't
nearly as much fun to fly.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 |
Thanks everyone for the posts! Very informative. I consider safety a big priority
and I have read over and over about how solid the KOLB's are. Not that I plan
on crashing one, but if I do. (Knock on Wood)
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393248#393248
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 |
Brother Elliott...
T'is mathematics... count the number of spars in the wing....(3 for Kolb,
w/one central huge main spar, v.s. 2, one front one rear, for the Rans) and
the amount of 4130 chromoly
steel wrapped around yer arse...(a complete welded 4130 cage in the Kolb,
v.s. riveted aluminum tubes in the Rans).... and suddenly the math works
out.
i.e. .... Would you rather be dropped from the third deck sitting in a
Reynolds-wrap hammock, or a Mosler steel safe...?
If you prefer not to be dropped at all, contact me off-list.... Am starting
an anti-447 working group...
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Do Not Archive
beauford
FF-076
Brandon FL
. I consider safety a big priority
Wesley Elliott
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 |
Brer Beauford --
I dont qualify to join your anti-447 movement, but if you're tallying votes, count
me in. I dont trust ANY 2-strokes to keep my frail but precious arse in the
air.
Which is why I put a VW on my Gyrocopter. (50#heavier)
Which is why I never got it more than 5' off the ground .
Which is why I sold it.
Which is why I'm still alive, I think.
Dont go for being dropped, at all, at all.
Fair winds,
Russ
On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Beauford wrote:
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> Brother Elliott...
>
> T'is mathematics... count the number of spars in the wing....(3 for Kolb,
> w/one central huge main spar, v.s. 2, one front one rear, for the Rans) and
> the amount of 4130 chromoly
> steel wrapped around yer arse...(a complete welded 4130 cage in the Kolb,
> v.s. riveted aluminum tubes in the Rans).... and suddenly the math works
> out.
>
> i.e. .... Would you rather be dropped from the third deck sitting in a
> Reynolds-wrap hammock, or a Mosler steel safe...?
>
> If you prefer not to be dropped at all, contact me off-list.... Am starting
> an anti-447 working group...
>
> Worth what ye paid fer it...
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> beauford
> FF-076
> Brandon FL
>
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> . I consider safety a big priority
> Wesley Elliott
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 |
Beauford , Hi Im building av Firefly dont you fly one? I read that you are
thinking about starting an anti 447 movement . I didnt know youwere unhappy
with the 447=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabl
ed from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A
>From: Beauford <beauford173@tampabay.rr.com>=0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.co
m =0A>Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:36 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re
eauford " <beauford173@tampabay.rr.com>=0A>=0A>Brother Elliott...=0A>=0A>T'
is mathematics...- count the number of spars in the wing....(3 for Kolb,
=0A>w/one central huge main spar, v.s. 2, one front one rear, for the Rans)
and=0A>the amount of 4130 chromoly=0A>steel wrapped around yer arse...(a c
omplete welded 4130 cage in the Kolb,=0A>v.s. riveted aluminum tubes in the
Rans).... and suddenly the math works=0A>out.=0A>=0A>i.e. ....- Would yo
u rather be dropped from the third deck sitting in a=0A>Reynolds-wrap hammo
ck, or a Mosler steel safe...?=0A>=0A>If you prefer not to be dropped at al
l, contact me off-list....- Am starting=0A>an anti-447 working group...
=0A>=0A>Worth what ye paid fer it...=0A>=0A>Do Not Archive=0A>=0A>beauford
wes" <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>=0A>. I consider safety a big priority=0A>We
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III versus Rans S-12 |
Beauford,
OK, but if you had your choice to not be dropped at all:
What if .... when the engine quit, instead of dropping - you just stayed at
your existing elevation? Wouldn't that be cool! You could get out and work
on the engine to try to get it restarted - you would have all the time you
wanted because you are staying where you are at until you get the engine
started.
Just thinking about alternatives when I shouldn't be thinking.
Actually I might vote to maintain the current state of affairs. I have
discovered that it is better being down here wishing I was up there, then
being up there and wishing I was down here.
Dennis
If you prefer not to be dropped at all, contact me off-list.... Am starting
an anti-447 working group...
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Do Not Archive
beauford
FF-076
Brandon FL
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