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1. 06:27 AM - Re: Kolb Slingshot (Richard Pike)
2. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Slingshot (herb)
3. 08:01 AM - Re: Kolb Slingshot (Thom Riddle)
4. 08:32 AM - For Kolb Private Strip owners (Dennis Thate)
5. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Slingshot (Richard Girard)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Slingshot (herb)
7. 10:06 AM - Re: Kolb Slingshot (Thom Riddle)
8. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Slingshot (Richard Girard)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Slingshot (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote:
> Thom
>
>
> Anyone have a good estimate as to cost to zero time the 582? Too late
> to call the usual suspects... Herb
>
>
In the past, Lockwood has been known to do them comparitively cheaply at this time
of the year when business is slow. Might be worth a phone call. Or not.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Richard
I got on the net last night and found that the cost is in the 3k
range...I certainly intend to do it myself..and save the 1k worth of
labor ...or more..Herb
by the way....this bird is registered with an N number...and I am an
ul man...what sport classification is that under?
On 02/02/2013 08:27 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote:
>> Thom
>>
>>
>> Anyone have a good estimate as to cost to zero time the 582? Too late
>> to call the usual suspects... Herb
>>
>>
>
> In the past, Lockwood has been known to do them comparitively cheaply at this
time of the year when business is slow. Might be worth a phone call. Or not.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Herb,
The N-number (registration number) means it is an aircraft, not a UL. Slingshots
(and all other Kolb models) meet the limitations for LSA. Therefore, the pilot
must have at least a Sport Pilot certificate, a valid and current US drivers
license (or current FAA 3rd class or better medical certificate), and a current
flight review (in last 24 months. Lacking any of these, a pilot cannot fly
it legally.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | For Kolb Private Strip owners |
Building a better runway involved removing all the topsoil first then stockpiling
the black dirt in a long windrow then cutting down a slope and finally replacing
the topsoil and leveling with a Transit Level Kit.
Money well spent !
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Herb, There's a lot of if's here so you'll need to take this with a grain
of salt.
You say the plane is a 98ish build. IF the plane was registered at that
time it will almost certainly be as an Experimental Amateur Built. In that
case you will need to have an A & P do an annual on it AND sign off any
engine work you do. You cannot get a repairman's ticket for E-AB unless you
are the original builder and you requested it at the time the airworthiness
inspection was done.
On the other hand, IF the plane was used under one of the old alphabet UL
groups and operated under the two place training exemption and THEN
grandfathered in under the Experimental Light Sport program (FAR 21.191 i
(1)) then you can take the 16 hour class and get a repairman inspection
card (LSARI) for it and do the annual and engine work yourself and sign it
off. Without that ticket you will have to take it to an A & P OR someone
with a repairman maintenance card (LSARM) to do the annual and supervise
your engine work IF you want to keep the logs up to date and maintain the
value of the airplane.
As Thom said, no matter how the plane is registered, E-AB or E-LSA you're
going to have to get at least a Sport Pilot airplane ticket to legally fly
it.
Rick Girard
LSARM 3178721
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:06 AM, herb <herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> Richard
>
> I got on the net last night and found that the cost is in the 3k
> range...I certainly intend to do it myself..and save the 1k worth of labor
> ...or more..Herb
>
> by the way....this bird is registered with an N number...and I am an ul
> man...what sport classification is that under?
>
> On 02/02/2013 08:27 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have a good estimate as to cost to zero time the 582? Too late
>>> to call the usual suspects... Herb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> In the past, Lockwood has been known to do them comparitively cheaply at
>> this time of the year when business is slow. Might be worth a phone call.
>> Or not.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Rick
Thanks for the refresher info...all of which I have read many
times....but too old to remember..and flying a Firefly...did not have
much of a reason to do so...:-)
I can see a fair amount of expense involved....for I recall that the
16 hour class is expensive for what they teach...but a bargain for the
piece of paper that one gets!! :-)
I am fairly sure it is reg...E-AB... and I will need my buddy who
has the AP and IA endorsement do the necessary inspections and write
offs... if he will??
I intend flying my Firefly to get my sport pilot
training....(that may help ?? !! ) Herb
Herb
On 02/02/2013 11:09 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Herb, There's a lot of if's here so you'll need to take this with a
> grain of salt.
> You say the plane is a 98ish build. IF the plane was registered at
> that time it will almost certainly be as an Experimental Amateur
> Built. In that case you will need to have an A & P do an annual on it
> AND sign off any engine work you do. You cannot get a repairman's
> ticket for E-AB unless you are the original builder and you requested
> it at the time the airworthiness inspection was done.
> On the other hand, IF the plane was used under one of the old alphabet
> UL groups and operated under the two place training exemption and THEN
> grandfathered in under the Experimental Light Sport program (FAR
> 21.191 i (1)) then you can take the 16 hour class and get a repairman
> inspection card (LSARI) for it and do the annual and engine work
> yourself and sign it off. Without that ticket you will have to take it
> to an A & P OR someone with a repairman maintenance card (LSARM) to do
> the annual and supervise your engine work IF you want to keep the logs
> up to date and maintain the value of the airplane.
> As Thom said, no matter how the plane is registered, E-AB or E-LSA
> you're going to have to get at least a Sport Pilot airplane ticket to
> legally fly it.
>
> Rick Girard
> LSARM 3178721
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Rick,
You mentioned that an A&P must supervise and sign off any engine work on an E/AB
certificated aircraft. I've never heard that before. Can you point to a FAR
that states this?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Anyone can work on an E-AB, and charge money for it, for that matter. What
they cannot do is write anything in the engine or aircraft log books,
anything of a legal nature anyway. The last caveat about maintaining the
value of the aircraft is what having an A & P supervise the engine over
haul was meant to convey, so no, no requirement unless you want a logbook
entry to go with the work.
Rick
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> You mentioned that an A&P must supervise and sign off any engine work on
> an E/AB certificated aircraft. I've never heard that before. Can you point
> to a FAR that states this?
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> no engine
> FOR SALE
>
> Diamond Katana DA20-A1
> Rotax 912 F3
>
> Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393453#393453
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
Thom, I should mention that it also depends on which version of the
Operating Limits go with the airworthiness certificate. In the latest
version there would be a requirement to notify the local FSDO of a major
overhaul so they could put it back into Phase One testing and prescribe a
flight test area. See Order 8130-2G starting on page 4-64,
"(19) After incorporating a major change as described in 14 CFR =A7 21.93,
the aircraft
owner is required to reestablish compliance with 14 CFR =A7 91.319(b) and
notify the
geographically responsible FSDO of the location of the proposed test area.
The aircraft owner
must obtain concurrence from the FSDO as to the suitability of the proposed
test area. If the
major change includes installing a different type of engine (reciprocating
to turbine) or a change
of a fixed-pitch from or to a controllable propeller, the aircraft owner
must fill out a revised
FAA Form 8130-6 to update the aircraft=92s file in the FAA Aircraft
Registration Branch. All
operations must be conducted under day VFR conditions in a sparsely
populated area. The
aircraft must remain in flight test for a minimum of 5 hours. The FSDO may
require additional
time (more than 5 hours) depending on the extent of the modification.
Persons nonessential to
the flight must not be carried. The aircraft owner must make a detailed
aircraft logbook and
maintenance records entry describing the change before the test flight.
Following satisfactory
completion of the required number of flight hours in the flight test area,
the pilot must certify in
the records that the aircraft has been shown to comply with 14 CFR =A7
91.319(b)."
Rick
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone can work on an E-AB, and charge money for it, for that matter. Wha
t
> they cannot do is write anything in the engine or aircraft log books,
> anything of a legal nature anyway. The last caveat about maintaining the
> value of the aircraft is what having an A & P supervise the engine over
> haul was meant to convey, so no, no requirement unless you want a logbook
> entry to go with the work.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Rick,
>> You mentioned that an A&P must supervise and sign off any engine work on
>> an E/AB certificated aircraft. I've never heard that before. Can you poi
nt
>> to a FAR that states this?
>>
>> --------
>> Thom Riddle
>> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>>
>> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>> no engine
>> FOR SALE
>>
>> Diamond Katana DA20-A1
>> Rotax 912 F3
>>
>> Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
>> - Anonymous
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393453#393453
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp
y.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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