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1. 07:15 AM - q (kinne russ)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: q (william sullivan)
3. 09:51 AM - That old bugaboo, liability (Richard Girard)
4. 02:42 PM - Re: That old bugaboo, liability (Dennis Thate)
5. 03:51 PM - 377 (chris davis)
6. 04:10 PM - Re: 377 (John Hauck)
7. 04:53 PM - Kolb Slingshot (herb)
8. 05:20 PM - Re: Kolb Slingshot (John Hauck)
9. 05:27 PM - Re: Kolb Slingshot (herb)
10. 06:53 PM - Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs (alienwes)
11. 07:30 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs (Charlie England)
12. 09:29 PM - Re: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs (GARY JINDRA)
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Matt
Haven't had any posts on the Kolb-list for a week! -- something wrong? I need these!
Thanx
Russ K
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-Russ- There hasn't been any activity at all on the list.- Everybody to
o busy shoveling snow.
do not archive.
--- On Sun, 2/17/13, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
From: kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: q
Matt
Haven't had any posts on the Kolb-list for a week! -- something wrong? I ne
ed these!
Thanx
Russ K
le, List Admin.
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Subject: | That old bugaboo, liability |
I am fortunate to live in an aviation community. A 2500' grass runway abuts
my back yard. For this and the five acres that allows me to feed wild birds
and enjoy nature (even the coyotes except when they take one of my guineas
or chickens) I am very grateful. So you can probably understand I am not at
all happy when some idiot uses our runway in a completely stupid manner. I
am also the home owner association president so I have the interests and
property values or my neighbors in mind, too.
We carry a $1M liability policy for which all of us pay an assessment each
year, but with the damage caused by Katrina, Sandy, et al, the possibility
of loosing that policy or having the premium raised to a level that is not
reasonable should someone make a claim against it, has caused me more than
one sleepless night since two incidents happened in the last year. One,
where a new property owner was allowing his and his friends children to
play on the runway while the friend was trying to teach himself to fly ( I
couldn't make this stuff up, cross my heart, it happened) and two, where
same owner brings his "instructor and mechanic" to fly the plane. He
proceeds to ignore the pattern direction arrows and FAR 91.119 and fly at
tree top level over the homes and hangars of many of the members of our HOA
until the engine seized and he was barely able to make a crash landing
going ACROSS the runway. When questioned by a couple of the members the
"instructor" refused to either identify himself or account for his actions.
He was actually surly about it until it was explained that he could tone
down his attitude or he could talk with a county sherrif deputy.
In those sleepless nights I pondered what amendments to the HOA bylaws
would allow us to weed out the idiots and whatever other measures we could
use to protect ourselves. This last Thursday an article on the ANN
"Propwash" newsletter told of the legislature of the State of Arkansas had
just past an amendment to their recreational land use act to specifically
include aviation. I was immediately interested and went looking on the web
for information about similar statutes in Kansas. I found this site.
http://theraf.org/sites/default/files/raf_files_videos/recreational_use_statutes_50_state_discussion.pdf
Seeing that Kansas statute is of the "including, but not limited to the
following" listing of recreational activities I contacted both my
legislators to ask that the statutes be amended to specifically include
aviation in that list.
"Dear Sirs, I request that language be added to Kansas State Statute K.S.A.
58-3201 to 58-3207 to exempt private airports from liability when such
airports are open to the general public as defined in the legislation.
Small, privately owned airports receive no public funding yet they are a
vital resource to Kansas. In times of disaster emergencies or environmental
accidents such airports may be the only link for relief, medical care, and
evacuation. As such I believe that they should be entitled to specific
relief from liability.
I would appreciate any effort you are able to give to make this change to
our state's Recreational Land Use Act."
To my surprise and delight, both my representative and senator responded
with a personal note, not just a form letter of the "thank you for
contacting me" genre, promising to look into it and address the issue when
the legislature returns to session.
On Friday I brought the issue to the attention of my EAA chapter and got
some more information from other members who live in airport communities.
My plans at this point are to A) use my list of chapter newsletter editors
to spread the news and ask for more effort from across the state to get the
statute amended and B) put up a Facebook page to solicit support and spread
the news nationwide (only 16 states specifically mention aviation or
aviation sports in the RLUA's)
Guys, I urge you all to look up the link and see if your state is one of
the 16 or one of the 34. If your state is in the latter group, write to
your representatives and get the ball rolling.
Okay, Russ, I've given us something that, while it isn't specifically Kolb
related, it certainly directly affects Kolb owners and flyers. Hey, it's
winter and I'm flying the trike right now (3 flights in January and 1 in
February so far) while I plan the repairs of Zulu Delta.
Fly Safe,
Rick
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: That old bugaboo, liability |
http://theraf.org/
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Read this topic online here:
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-Kolbers , just wondering if you gent thought a 377 without a fan would b
e ok on a Kolb or if it was ridiculous to try ?=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503
492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly
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Kolbers , just wondering if you gent thought a 377 without a fan would be
ok on a Kolb or if it was ridiculous to try ?
Chris Davis
Chris D/Kolbers
Don't think you could cool it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Kolb Slingshot sn005 is home and safely covered and in the barn...
John; it was in Wetumpka at one time...maybe second owner...remember
it? Herb
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John; it was in Wetumpka at one time...maybe second owner...remember
it? Herb
Yes, the SS was owned by a friend of mine. Powered with a 582. I flew the
SS.
Next time I saw it, after it left Wetumpka, was at a Kolb Homecoming several
years ago.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Slingshot |
I think the guy that I bought it from flew it to the home coming...
It has been passed around...but I do not see that it has been damaged
. Nor do I see poor construction...
4 or 5 owners in 15 years... not a good sign sometimes...but I
surely do not see any flaws... Herb
On 02/17/2013 07:20 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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> John; it was in Wetumpka at one time...maybe second owner...remember
> it? Herb
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> Yes, the SS was owned by a friend of mine. Powered with a 582. I flew the
> SS.
>
> Next time I saw it, after it left Wetumpka, was at a Kolb Homecoming several
> years ago.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
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Subject: | Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs |
Hi everyone,
Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided
to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have
a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are
around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing
Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate benefits
of both.
Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.
Kolb can take regular gas
Kolb has better performance/climb
Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33
Kolb has less annual costs
Cessna is cheaper to start with
AV gas is higher
Annuals are higher
Needs hangar
Flies faster/farther
Anything I am missing here?
What are others operating cost per hour?
Thanks,
Wes
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs |
On 02/17/2013 08:52 PM, alienwes wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Sorry in advance if you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided
to buy/build a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have
a local Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs
are around the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pricing
Mark III's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immediate benefits
of both.
>
> Kolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.
> Kolb can take regular gas
> Kolb has better performance/climb
> Kolb has no medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33
> Kolb has less annual costs
>
> Cessna is cheaper to start with
> AV gas is higher
> Annuals are higher
> Needs hangar
> Flies faster/farther
>
> Anything I am missing here?
> What are others operating cost per hour?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
You really need to define your 'mission'. The Cessna could be moderately
useful for travel, even for 2 (small) people. But probably a lot less
fun than the Kolb.
You can purchase an auto fuel STC for it, assuming you can find alcohol
free mogas in your area. But it will almost certainly burn more of it.
Medicals have gotten expensive where I live, even if you have no trouble
passing them. You don't really *need* a hangar for a Cessna; it just
keeps it in better shape. Annuals can be really cheap if nothing's
wrong & the IA will let you do all the work, but if he isn't
accommodating, they can be really expensive. Also, there's the ever
present threat of AD's. Any time the ownership of a particular product
on the plane (carb, mags, engine parts, Anything) changes hands, there
will be an $AD$ on that product. Count on it. A friend purchased an old
150 that had been out of annual for several years. He paid something
like 8-9 thousand for the plane, with a ferry permit to get it home. The
1st annual (before he could fly it again) included rebuilding a twisted
wing & cost more than the plane. Only anecdotal, but it's not that
unusual with older planes.
How familiar are you with the history of each plane?
Charlie
(Cessna's are only fun until you fly something better....) :-)
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III or Cessna Operating Costs |
Wes,you didn't say if you have your pilots license or not.Cessna's take G.A
. =0Acertificate,Kolbs Sport pilot certificate.G.A.takes 40 hours,Sport tak
es =0A20.National average for GA is close to 70hours.Sport is closer to 30
to 35.Makes =0Aa big difference in cost to start flying.=0A-=0AGary Jindr
a=0AMark 3 117 hrs.=0A=0ASport Pilot=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0AFrom: alienwes <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.co
m=0ASent: Sun, February 17, 2013 9:52:52 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark
wes" <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>=0A=0AHi everyone,=0A=0ASorry in advance if
you do not like the topic, but I am sure others who decided =0Ato buy/build
a Kolb looked into GA aircraft before making the decision. I have a =0Aloc
al Dr. who is selling his Cessna 152 for 14K. He says operating costs are
=0Aaround the $42/hour range. It just had a rebuild 28 hours ago. I am pric
ing Mark =0AIII's and most are in the 20K-30K with a 912. I see some immedi
ate benefits of =0Aboth.=0A=0AKolb needs no hangar fees, only a trailer.=0A
Kolb can take regular gas=0AKolb has better performance/climb=0AKolb has no
medical requirement, but I can easily get a medical at age 33=0AKolb has l
ess annual costs=0A=0ACessna is cheaper to start with=0AAV gas is higher=0A
Annuals are higher=0ANeeds hangar=0AFlies faster/farther=0A=0AAnything I am
missing here?=0AWhat are others operating cost per hour?=0A=0AThanks,=0A
=0AWes=0A=0A--------=0AWesley Elliott=0ASport Pilot-PPC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead
this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=
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